Don't know what rate the 3 will be able to supercharge at, but the max right now is 120kW.
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Tesla Model 3 will be revealed on March 31st
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Don't know what rate the 3 will be able to supercharge at, but the max right now is 120kW.
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The Supercharger network is also alongside all major freeways in North America and Europe.
Good luck charging the Bolt away from home.
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There are thousands of compatible charging stations all over the place. The issue isn't finding a place to charge a Bolt, it's that it takes longer. Teslas have dual chargers built in, each capable of higher amperage than all other electric cars, so at SuperCharger stations you can charge your Tesla at a much faster rate.
So in both cases, you have to plan your trips around finding charging stations (which isn't hard in most areas), and you'll need to plan time to charge -- but that charging time will be less with a Tesla. And THAT is the advantage of the SuperChargers.
That said, there is no guarantee that Model 3 will have dual chargers. It may very well be that while you can still use SuperChargers, it will take as long to charge as it would the Bolt. Tesla is making a lot of cost saving decisions with the 3 and until we know for sure, we can only guess at it's charging capabilities.
Oh, and a couple weeks ago I took the Bolt on a 4.5 hour round trip, mostly highway. I still had 61 miles range left when I got back.
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There are a lot more regular charging stations in my country compared to Tesla. Sure if you drive in Germany they are everywhere. I think here in Finland the grand total for superchargers is three at the moment.
Some notes. Some Model S have dual chargers (which was optional for the first few years), but now all Teslas come with a single charger that is either 48 amps or 72 amps. Superchargers actually bypass the onboard charger and go straight to the battery, which is why such high charging rates can be achieved.
Model 3's will definitely be able to use Superchargers. It has been confirmed. They will be pay per use, unlike the S and X though.
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Thanks for the clarification. For comparison, the Bolt has a 32 amp charger. I know 3 will be able to use SuperChargers; the question is at what rate.
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Tesla recently did a speed update to the non performance versions of the Model S and X. Now the base level S does a 0-60 in 4.3 seconds compared to an 100D which is 4.1 seconds.
Previously a base level Model S (75) 0-60 time was 5.5 seconds. This is pretty big since now the price difference between the 75 or 75D and 100D is all about range and no longer acceleration.
I'm guessing this is Tesla doing more to differentiate between the Model S and Model 3, since there will be news soon.
I used to say that if I could afford a Model S I would go for the 100D because of the better acceleration, but now I could see myself leaning more towards the 75D.
Previously a base level Model S (75) 0-60 time was 5.5 seconds. This is pretty big since now the price difference between the 75 or 75D and 100D is all about range and no longer acceleration.
I'm guessing this is Tesla doing more to differentiate between the Model S and Model 3, since there will be news soon.
I used to say that if I could afford a Model S I would go for the 100D because of the better acceleration, but now I could see myself leaning more towards the 75D.
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There are also a mother load of used S available for sale. If 0-60 interests you but not enough to make you spring for the P100D, get a used 85D or 90D.
https://ev-cpo.com/hunter/
What's very interesting is that Tesla changed the way they report 0-60 acceleration times after they introduced Ludicrous. The old pre-Ludicrous times were reported as 0-60 from a standing start, the classic "dig". The Ludicrous times are reported as 0-60 with a 1-foot rollout which is actually the common way of measuring it for reasons I don't really understand.
What this actually means is:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/0-60-30-50-50-70-comparative-times-for-70d-85d-p85d.46923/
You can see that the actual 0-60 times of 85D, 90D, and presumably 100D are actually faster than reported from a dig. The actual 0-60 time of P90DL is slightly slower than reported.
With the P100D, they finally normalized this and the "Plood" actually does have 2.3 seconds 0-60 from a dig and with a 1-foot rollout.
I can tell you that I don't complain about the 0-60 in my 90D every morning when I get onto the freeway on-ramp and floor it.
Supercharger is direct DC input to the battery. The rate is limited only by the current state of charge and the temperature of the battery. The on-board charger on Teslas is for conversion of AC to DC and is bypassed when you plug into a Supercharger.
https://ev-cpo.com/hunter/
What's very interesting is that Tesla changed the way they report 0-60 acceleration times after they introduced Ludicrous. The old pre-Ludicrous times were reported as 0-60 from a standing start, the classic "dig". The Ludicrous times are reported as 0-60 with a 1-foot rollout which is actually the common way of measuring it for reasons I don't really understand.
What this actually means is:
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/0-60-30-50-50-70-comparative-times-for-70d-85d-p85d.46923/
You can see that the actual 0-60 times of 85D, 90D, and presumably 100D are actually faster than reported from a dig. The actual 0-60 time of P90DL is slightly slower than reported.
With the P100D, they finally normalized this and the "Plood" actually does have 2.3 seconds 0-60 from a dig and with a 1-foot rollout.
I can tell you that I don't complain about the 0-60 in my 90D every morning when I get onto the freeway on-ramp and floor it.
Supercharger is direct DC input to the battery. The rate is limited only by the current state of charge and the temperature of the battery. The on-board charger on Teslas is for conversion of AC to DC and is bypassed when you plug into a Supercharger.
My boss owns a P75D and I think that thing has like, 650-ish horsepower. It does 0-60 in I think 2.7 or so, and when he floors it the torque literally makes me a little sick. Feels like being in a rollercoaster. It's gross/amazing.
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Well guys, today's the day. Try to remain calm.
Is there a time frame we are suppose to look forward to?
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This company has me LOL all the time
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Anything?
We have arrived!!!
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I wonder who's going to get VIN number 000001.
For anyone curious, the owner of Model S with VIN 000001 is Tesla board member and very early investor Steve Jurvetson.
20,000 Model 3 per month by December.
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This is way beyond anyone's predictions for how many cars they could make in 2017 I believe.
5k per week is on Elon's target. 10k by mid 2018.
There are no options to choose from at the moment.
All RCs have glass roofs, no AWD (so no P either) until Dec or '18, no air suspension and no 60 yet because all initial cars are very likely to be 75s. You can choose your colour tho.
If the 'first 30' handover party is on the 28th, hopefully the configurator goes up, we get theI75 price and conformation of 300 mile range on 75kwh.
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Elon's target was regarded as a fantasy by everyone who gets paid to analyze these things. But now it looks like his target was reality and everyone else was living in a fantasy.
There is no public way to do that. It probably puts you around 450kish in line, but it depends on what state you live in. People in CA get theirs first, people in other states later. If you are outside of the USA, even later.
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Jan 2017 is pretty late in terms in preorder line, so I'm not even sure the geographical roll-out will matter by the time their position in line gets there, unless a lot of people wait for other configurations to be available.
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Does Tesla have three roof options now?
Played around last night on their used site. I seem to be only able to find the panoramic sunroof or a regular old boring roof/windshield line. Not the really cool glass roof with the very high windshield.
Played around last night on their used site. I seem to be only able to find the panoramic sunroof or a regular old boring roof/windshield line. Not the really cool glass roof with the very high windshield.
Model S has Glass roof and sun roof options (but not the very high windshield, which it has never had)
Model X has only 1 roof option which includes the high windshield.
I have family in Cali, I could change my address and drive cross country. So from what I can gather I might even miss the 1/2 tax credit
I have family in Cali, I could change my address and drive cross country. So from what I can gather I might even miss the 1/2 tax credit
I think you will be ok on the half tax credit, with an aggressive production ramps this is the best estimate I have seen:
$7,500 Federal Tax Credit from Car #1 through 03/31/18
$3,750 Federal Tax Credit 04/01/18 through 09/31/18
$1,875 Federal Tax Credit 10/01/18 through 03/31/19
No Federal Tax Credit after 03/31/19
I'm worried about what happens to demand once these dry up...
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Yeah, the incentive is great in Canada and my fear is that it's going to shrink by the time I get to drive mine.
I honestly expect their production/delivery to line up like this:
At approximately half a million reservations, I'm staring at April 2019 to fulfill all current orders?
The car is reasonably priced at 35k. Cheaper than Lexus IS, close to BMW 3, cheaper than Mercedes 3 class. Same price as the bolt, but offers way way more. Why would demand dry up for this, but not those cars?
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Should we make a new thread once the deliveries, options and more concrete release detail is announced? I think a new thread when the first vehicle is delivered would be great.
The perception is still going to be a $7k price hike once the federal rebate goes away.
First delivery on Friday?
We don't have much information on the car yet. Lots of speculation and generalities but not much concrete info. Hell we don't even know the dimensions of the car. When we gonna get some details? Will I get to test drive the car before I put in my order? This is gonna be the weirdest car purchase for me ever.
We don't have much information on the car yet. Lots of speculation and generalities but not much concrete info. Hell we don't even know the dimensions of the car. When we gonna get some details? Will I get to test drive the car before I put in my order? This is gonna be the weirdest car purchase for me ever.
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