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I stared at that for a while before deciding why it bothered me

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[neorej]

It seems that's what MrCrow meant. That makes sense. It's still weird to compare Nissan LEAF to a Tesla model, given that the former costs maybe a third (in Germany).
Either way, I think most manufacturers are aware that hybrid cars are at best a stopgap solution. Don't think they're a particularly good one though.

Yup, I think hybrids are going to be a relatively short life on the market. I drive a company Outlander PHEV right now for my commute (15km one way so more than enough juice in the battery to drive Full EV). On fuel, it's doing a terrible 8-10l per 100km, which is way more than other cars in it's pricerange.
A co-worker has the Golf GTE, and also isn't getting terribly good mileage when in ICE-mode.

These plugin hybrids are leading the charge for more and more public charging stations though. I took a vacation to the south of france last month and in all of 1100 km of road we saw 1 chargers. Just for fun, we took a look at the map to see what route we should've taken if we'd driven a Tesla, and it would've taken almost 700 extra kilometers to take the trip with superchargers in mind.

Electric cars are the future, we just have to get there step by step. More chargers, maybe solar-powered cars, I've seen prototypes for induction-based charging embedded in the road, and also, more affordable EVs. Leaf and E-Up and the likes are nice little city-cars, but nothing for serious driving like vacations or tall people like myself (6'11").

 

[duderon]

GM is going to beat the Model 3 to market with the Bolt EV.

Just like the 2016 Volt making it to market in the US this year...

No way does the Bolt have a 200 mile EPA range and come out in 2017. I could believe one or the other, but the car isn't big enough to carry a battery that size.

 

[Extra Sauce]

What's up, Doc?

Two references for the price of one.

 

[DrSlek]

Well there's no engine to cool so it doesn't need a grill lol.

The engines sit between the wheels I believe. If you look closely, you can see that the allow wheels have a fan shape to them. Possibly to direct air inwards towards the engine/s.

 

[LordOfChaos]

The engines sit between the wheels I believe. If you look closely, you can see that the allow wheels have a fan shape to them. Possibly to direct air inwards towards the engine/s.

It has a motor, not an engine. The rims design is just design, you can get a number of different rims with it with different shapes and airflows. If you look at the Model S (not X) the turbine rims are turned the opposite way than would direct air at the motor. (and in both it would be hitting the big brakes first anyways). Electric motors don't really need much cooling, the nice thing with electric cars is 90% of the energy goes to moving you forward, compared to under 37% for ICEs (energy is lost to heat and sound)

 

[empyrean]

Are you referring to the VW e-up? Because that has a 160km radius and starts at €9.975 over here, whereas the Nissan LEAF starts at €23.060. The cheapest Tesla model seems to be the Model S 70D, which starts at €74.800? I didn't bother to go through all the menus or look up if there are tax reductions included or not. It's entirely possible that I misread things, only checked their German sites and only briefly.

Either way, really not a good comparison.

Edit:
I think one can get the price for the Tesla model down by €5.400 through configuration. I'm not entirely sure about how their price is derived though. The actual lowest price seems to be €76.400, then there's one that apparently includes tax savings (and gas savings) that is €65.900? Really not comparable to the other cars.

Just looked at the e up in the uk, starts at £24,975, would love to know where you can get one for under half the price!

 

[EatinOlives]

I don't have much appeal for 6 figure SUVs. I suppose the novel thing it does is add another bullet point to marketing campaigns and owner rationalizations. Now they can throw in fuel economy and environmentally conscientious driving to the list of other likewise facile reasons for owning these cars(off road prowess, utility). Whatever further distances people intellectually from the somewhat uncomfortable real need to own big, imposing, driver seating height dominating cars.

Sure, all SUV owners are just making up reasons to own "big, imposing, driver seating height dominating cars" and just look for whatever BS reasons they can find to own one.

Sure buddy.

 

[cbox]

Not sure if it's been covered, but what's the point of the back doors being able to open in tight spaces when you can't access the driver seat?

 

[duderon]

Not sure if it's been covered, but what's the point of the back doors being able to open in tight spaces when you can't access the driver seat?

There's no point. More to put people at ease that the doors are functional in almost any situation, than to suggest they should be opened in tight spots where you can't get out of the front seats.

 

[jkanownik]

Not sure if it's been covered, but what's the point of the back doors being able to open in tight spaces when you can't access the driver seat?

Speculation is that the car will drive itself and possibly function as a driverless Uber to make money when you don't need it.

 

[Luigiv]

Not sure if it's been covered, but what's the point of the back doors being able to open in tight spaces when you can't access the driver seat?

Because those are the doors of a billionaire except you only need to be a millionaire to own them. Thus preventing situations like this from occurring.

 

[twinturbo2]

Just like the 2016 Volt making it to market in the US this year...

No way does the Bolt have a 200 mile EPA range and come out in 2017. I could believe one or the other, but the car isn't big enough to carry a battery that size.

GM wouldn't be making that promise if they can't keep it.

 

[nhlducks35]

It appears to be working. People are fawning over this thing, calling it bad ass:

I just looked at pics on the website and saw this design

Wth is wrong with the grill, I thought there was tape covering it at first

 

[cbox]

Because those are the doors of a billionaire except you only need to be a millionaire to own them. Thus preventing situations like this from occurring.

So good, miss the show dearly!