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Nice to hear some Crossover 27Q love on the podcast. I've had the monitor since the summer and it's amazing. One of best kept secrets in tech. Mine seems flawless too.
 

drizzle

Axel Hertz
Nice to hear some Crossover 27Q love on the podcast. I've had the monitor since the summer and it's amazing. One of best kept secrets in tech. Mine seems flawless too.

I Live in a country where I will certainly be charged 60% of the price of whatever I import as taxes. I can avoid some taxes being clever, but not with something as big as a 27inch monitor.

STILL, I would SURELY buy one if I wanted one. I can't really justify the jump in resolution (I'm currently running 1920x1200). Going 2560x1440 would require a new videocard and I can't be bothered.

But yes, it's a great deal and everybody that want a new monitor should look for a "perfect pixel" version on ebay.
 
I Live in a country where I will certainly be charged 60% of the price of whatever I import as taxes. I can avoid some taxes being clever, but not with something as big as a 27inch monitor.

STILL, I would SURELY buy one if I wanted one. I can't really justify the jump in resolution (I'm currently running 1920x1200). Going 2560x1440 would require a new videocard and I can't be bothered.

But yes, it's a great deal and everybody that want a new monitor should look for a "perfect pixel" version on ebay.

don't know, been ok with my gtx 460 for my 27" monitor. For most games the resolution hit is neglectible (~5 lower).


I do wonder if Wes tested these out

http://www.microcenter.com/product/384780/EQ276W_27_IPS_LED_Monitor

Same korean panel, but sold at microcenter so all the warranty stuff is handled in state. Best of both worlds.
 

Azar

Member
I do wonder if Wes tested these out

http://www.microcenter.com/product/384780/EQ276W_27_IPS_LED_Monitor

Same korean panel, but sold at microcenter so all the warranty stuff is handled in state. Best of both worlds.
I did actually mention them at the very end as alternatives for people who don't want to import, but I haven't done nearly as much research on them as the range of Koreans. Pretty sure they have scalers since they have multiple inputs, and at that price I'm guessing the hardware's not great, so you'll definitely get more input lag than you would with the DVI-only Korean monitors. But the trade-off and convenience might be worth it.
 

drizzle

Axel Hertz
I did actually mention them at the very end as alternatives for people who don't want to import, but I haven't done nearly as much research on them as the range of Koreans. Pretty sure they have scalers since they have multiple inputs, and at that price I'm guessing the hardware's not great, so you'll definitely get more input lag than you would with the DVI-only Korean monitors. But the trade-off and convenience might be worth it.

Would there be lag even if I'm plugging it directly through DVI and piping images at the monitor's native resolution?
 
I did actually mention them at the very end as alternatives for people who don't want to import, but I haven't done nearly as much research on them as the range of Koreans. Pretty sure they have scalers since they have multiple inputs, and at that price I'm guessing the hardware's not great, so you'll definitely get more input lag than you would with the DVI-only Korean monitors. But the trade-off and convenience might be worth it.

Indeed. Works with my consoles too. Input lag is there (6ms or so according to forums), but me not really playing shooters or fighters on my pc makes it not that big of a deal.

I doubt people that want to game hardcore would even go near an ips monitor in the first place though.
 

Azar

Member
Would there be lag even if I'm plugging it directly through DVI and piping images at the monitor's native resolution?
Yes, though it depends on your definition of "lag." Overall lag includes pixel response time and the input lag from devices plugged into the monitor. Without a scaler, you still have some delay as a result of the pixel response time. TFTCentral's review of the Dell UltraSharp U2713HM has a nice chart towards the bottom comparing the input lag of various monitors. It's pretty easy to see which ones are non-IPS screens (really fast responsiveness). A scaler-less monitor eliminates the input lag issue, but comes with its own obvious trade-offs.
 

drizzle

Axel Hertz
Yes, though it depends on your definition of "lag." Overall lag includes pixel response time and the input lag from devices plugged into the monitor. Without a scaler, you still have some delay as a result of the pixel response time. TFTCentral's review of the Dell UltraSharp U2713HM has a nice chart towards the bottom comparing the input lag of various monitors. It's pretty easy to see which ones are non-IPS screens (really fast responsiveness). A scaler-less monitor eliminates the input lag issue, but comes with its own obvious trade-offs.

Well, of course there will be "lag", because of the panel.

I'm talking about not taking the internal scaler of the monitor in account.
 

jediyoshi

Member
Cane talk on the new still untitled was pretty fuckin boss.

Actually watched it on the tested site as well, the video/audio player setup is a good idea
 
Rachel Maddow talked about 3D printing / 3D printing of guns last night on her show. Its the first time I've ever seen it outside of tested

Also, the giantbomb thread on the gaming side is in the bitching about content part of the thread's cycle. It made me realize how far tested has come and how muck I like Tested's content more then giantbomb's stuff these days (GOTY stuff aside which I expect to be fantastic)
 

Aaron

Member
$160 for a rice cooker just to make oatmeal? I recently bought a sous vide cooker for just a little more than that, and it came with all sorts of accessories . Did your oatmeal cooker come with a blowtorch, Will? No? Then how will you make the top crispy?
 

eznark

Banned
$160 for a rice cooker just to make oatmeal? I recently bought a sous vide cooker for just a little more than that, and it came with all sorts of accessories . Did your oatmeal cooker come with a blowtorch, Will? No? Then how will you make the top crispy?

Guy paid ten g's to have someone else chop down a tree. Balla's don't worry about the cost of their rice cookers.
 

eznark

Banned
Manual printing/typesetting is one of those things that I flat don't get. Seems like Luddite porn.

The business cards in particular did not seem worth the effort.

I worked with a poet who had their books printed on an ancient manual printer and bound by hand in Amish country or some nonsense. It was a great gimmick, worked well with what they were selling and they charged like $400 a pop for those editions. For business cards though? Why?
 

Antiwhippy

the holder of the trombone
Manual printing/typesetting is one of those things that I flat don't get. Seems like Luddite porn.

The business cards in particular did not seem worth the effort.

I worked with a poet who had their books printed on an ancient manual printer and bound by hand in Amish country or some nonsense. It was a great gimmick, worked well with what they were selling and they charged like $400 a pop for those editions. For business cards though? Why?

To get a different textural feel with the ink I guess? Seems like they were using rubber based inks, which I don't think works with offset printing.
 

panda21

Member
is there a podcast this week?

edit:
ok finished last weeks podcast and turns out the answer is yes! :D hopefully Gary will be there and they can do the 2012 predictions, that should be awesome
 

Aruarian Reflection

Chauffeur de la gdlk
Any reason why there's zero coverage of Nexus 4 or 10 on Tested? They weren't able to order one?

I think the Nexus 4 and 7 combo have to be among my favorite electronics ever. Android has come such a long way. And call me sexist, but I'm always surprised to see sorority girl nurses at my work rocking Samsung Note II and S3 who can expound eloquently about why they switched from iPhone. Everybody's tech savvy these days.

hVtiX.jpg
 

Megasoum

Banned
Any reason why there's zero coverage of Nexus 4 or 10 on Tested? They weren't able to order one?

I think the Nexus 4 and 7 combo have to be among my favorite electronics ever. Android has come such a long way. And call me sexist, but I'm always surprised to see sorority girl nurses at my work rocking Samsung Note II and S3 who can expound eloquently about why they switched from iPhone. Everybody's tech savvy these days.

hVtiX.jpg

Cause talking about Starwars blasters gives you more Reddit hits...
 
This site has no focus. Is it a tech site? Is it science stuff? Coffee? Oh all that...? So you're gunna do a bad job covering everything instead of just concentrating on a few things? Cool.
 

jediyoshi

Member
This site has no focus. Is it a tech site? Is it science stuff? Coffee? Oh all that...? So you're gunna do a bad job covering everything instead of just concentrating on a few things? Cool.

Don't think you have to take a hard look at the site to know what it doesn't cover. What exactly have they looked at before that's gotten worse as a result? These sites tend to be personality driven if anything and if they're more personally interested in whatever they're talking about while they're doing it, good on them. If you're looking for coffee specific blogs for the latest trends in coffee they're still out there, the two of them were never going to compete for that kind of coverage anyway.
 
This site has no focus. Is it a tech site? Is it science stuff? Coffee? Oh all that...? So you're gunna do a bad job covering everything instead of just concentrating on a few things? Cool.

Its a Adam Savage site as far as I am considered now.

Thats ok because Adam Savage is pretty awesome.
 
Any reason why there's zero coverage of Nexus 4 or 10 on Tested? They weren't able to order one?

I think the Nexus 4 and 7 combo have to be among my favorite electronics ever. Android has come such a long way. And call me sexist, but I'm always surprised to see sorority girl nurses at my work rocking Samsung Note II and S3 who can expound eloquently about why they switched from iPhone. Everybody's tech savvy these days.

http://i.imgur.com/hVtiX.jpg[/IMG[/QUOTE]

Will doesn't even know the nexus 4/10 were released.
 

FStop7

Banned
Rachel Maddow talked about 3D printing / 3D printing of guns last night on her show. Its the first time I've ever seen it outside of tested

Also, the giantbomb thread on the gaming side is in the bitching about content part of the thread's cycle. It made me realize how far tested has come and how muck I like Tested's content more then giantbomb's stuff these days (GOTY stuff aside which I expect to be fantastic)

I don't even understand why. GB put out a ton of content since the live show and has only slowed down because of the GOTY stuff, which is an avalanche of content coming next week. There's nothing to complain about. Anyway.

Manual printing/typesetting is one of those things that I flat don't get. Seems like Luddite porn.

The business cards in particular did not seem worth the effort.

I worked with a poet who had their books printed on an ancient manual printer and bound by hand in Amish country or some nonsense. It was a great gimmick, worked well with what they were selling and they charged like $400 a pop for those editions. For business cards though? Why?

Northern fucking California.

Yesterday I was driving home and saw a yellow sign pointing at a road with the letters "AE" printed on it. These yellow signs are used to direct film crews to locations. It got me thinking that AE may be After Earth. But it could literally be anything. I might check it out, though.
 

drizzle

Axel Hertz
Any reason why there's zero coverage of Nexus 4 or 10 on Tested? They weren't able to order one?

I think the Nexus 4 and 7 combo have to be among my favorite electronics ever. Android has come such a long way. And call me sexist, but I'm always surprised to see sorority girl nurses at my work rocking Samsung Note II and S3 who can expound eloquently about why they switched from iPhone. Everybody's tech savvy these days.

Because it's not made by Apple. And they're all, personally, invested in the iOS marketplace.

Will actually said before: "It's harder and harder to get people to write about Android on the site" because every writer they have eventually changes to an iPhone. I think Wes is the only person still writing about Android.

I'm ok with it, because they would bitch about how slow the Interface is (mostly because it's not Animation focused, like it is on the iOS devices) and they would only talk about better features of Android devices when Apple copies them or Google makes it available for iOS devices (which they already do).

Truth is, Android is a hella segmented market and, outside of the Google Experience products, everything sucks. Like this on this last podcast: Google has had amazing voice search since Android 4.0.1. Too bad it's only available on Google Experience devices. We had multiple podcasts talking about Siri, about how they buy products because of it, how it's amazing and, eventually, how it's a piss poor experience.

They only talked about how amazing the Google Voice Search is today because it is now available on iOS devices.

Another example (except this time it's not really by the tested guys, but Brad from GiantBomb). He says he's amazed that he got a iPhone 5 now, because it has Notifications and all these other amazing features. He was highlighting how his last iPhone didn't have notifications, since he had a 3G.

Android had notifications since Android 1.6. Apparently, it was useless then, because every Android user that mentioned it was just that: A crazy Android user. Right now, a phone is unusable without notifications.

I've come to the conclusion that I'm ok with that. For most users, iOS and Apple devices are the sure way to go: They're less complicated, there's a "pasteurized" experience to be had on the system and the company tells you what you can or cannot do on the device.

For some people that's exactly what they're looking for. Personally, I want more freedom on my devices. I also don't want people that can't be bothered with (and that's just an example) rooting an Android device covering it.

So when Will says: "Hey, here's the Samsung Captivate. It's a piece of shit!" He's not wrong. I have one and it is. You can root and install custom firmware in it and it'll be amazing. Except he doesn't cover that, because he doesn't care. And they're a website reviewing products. So they're not entirely wrong.


TL;DR: MY OPINION is that they believe Google is for the hardcore users that wouldn't care about an extended coverage on their site, so they only offer basic coverage on the most popular devices of the family as there's really no benefit from covering a device that nobody can buy because it's sold out. Microsoft and Apple, on the other hand, are aimed at the regular Joe that would look up reviews and information about these devices.
 

Azar

Member
Because it's not made by Apple. And they're all, personally, invested in the iOS marketplace.

Will actually said before: "It's harder and harder to get people to write about Android on the site" because every writer they have eventually changes to an iPhone. I think Wes is the only person still writing about Android.
Ryan Whitwam still does the Android roundup regularly (I forget if it's weekly or monthly). I never wrote much about Android outside of news posts and I'll still happily do those when they're relevant. After two years on Android (90% of that time on Froyo/Gingerbread) I was just ready for a change and the iPhone 5 hit pretty much all of my priorities: bigger screen, LTE and top-of-the-line battery life. I do miss some of the customization and power user options of Android, and Ice Cream Sandwich was way better than Gingerbread. I'm interested in where it goes and might be back on Android in a couple years. The app situation is so much nicer on iOS, though, especially when it's easy to pick up good games on sale.

Also, the Nexus 4 seems to be impossible to get unless you're checking for availability at all times. Constantly sold out.
 

Zaph

Member
My opinion? They're so busy with planning, traveling, shooting and editing content that they simply fall behind on technology they don't use on a day-to-day basis.

Does anyone really care at this point? There are a ton of sites I can read about the new Nexus X on, but not many where I can watch videos about the Modernist Cuisine and Phil Tippett's home studio.

Also, cannot wait for that Volpin Props stuff in January. Will it be video or just blog style posts? He had two of the best Big Live Live Show segments.
 

drizzle

Axel Hertz
Ryan Whitwam still does the Android roundup regularly (I forget if it's weekly or monthly). I never wrote much about Android outside of news posts and I'll still happily do those when they're relevant. After two years on Android (90% of that time on Froyo/Gingerbread) I was just ready for a change and the iPhone 5 hit pretty much all of my priorities: bigger screen, LTE and top-of-the-line battery life.

Oh, so I got it the other way around: You changed to an iPhone and Ryan is the only one that still writes about Android. Confession time: I never read who posted the articles.

Also, the Nexus 4 seems to be impossible to get unless you're checking for availability at all times. Constantly sold out.

Exactly. Since they have to actually buy the stuff they review (since Google is not going to send Tested.com - or anybody else, apparently - a review version of the Nexus 4), there's really no point in reviewing it: You can't get one and even if you do, your readers won't.

I'm sure there will be coverage later, when the phone is easily available (and all features will be copied/made available on the iPhone). :p

My opinion? They're so busy with planning, traveling, shooting and editing content that they simply fall behind on technology they don't use on a day-to-day basis.

That's what I meant with the first phrase of my reply. Maybe I didn't express myself properly, but they don't use Android phones, they can't really cover them other than superficially.

Does anyone really care at this point? There are a ton of sites I can read about the new Nexus X on, but not many where I can watch videos about the Modernist Cuisine and Phil Tippett's home studio.

Exactly. I'm much more interested in those stories than what Will negatively thinks of the new Android Phone.


It's the equivalent of bitching that Giantbomb doesn't review sports games. But then again, would you really want them to?
 

No_Style

Member
Norm thought there were more Gmail users than Facebook users? Does he know a single human who doesn't live in California?

Haha. Some of the comments he has made lately got me thinking this as well.

I look forward to their home LED bulb talk. Earlier this year, I discovered that 3000K color temperature bulbs are my light of choice.
 

panda21

Member
i'm pretty sure there was an article on the site recently with some essential android apps (not app of the week), that included locale (or whas it llama??), but i can't find it anywhere. anyone remember that article?

TL;DR: MY OPINION is that they believe Google is for the hardcore users that wouldn't care about an extended coverage on their site, so they only offer basic coverage on the most popular devices of the family as there's really no benefit from covering a device that nobody can buy because it's sold out. Microsoft and Apple, on the other hand, are aimed at the regular Joe that would look up reviews and information about these devices.

i totally agree, I can see why they stick with iphone but I think if they could actually get hold of a nexus 4 they might begin to be swayed. problem is once you are bought into an ecosystem its not so easy to change.

i was sure i would jump ship to an iphone 5 but apple has become so stale with what they do to iOS that I just couldn't do without the extra features like (usable) notifications that android has so i decided to stay.

iOS used to be ahead of the pack but it has changed so little that it has become the simple OS that i would recommend to my parents.
 

bonesquad

Member
Boooo! Boooo! Wait, what am I booing?

Anyway, while iOS is getting stale after using iPhone 5 and Nexus 7 for a few months now I still prefer iOS. Especially on my phone. They're both great, and I appreciate the extra flexibility on the larger screen with Android. However, and this will sound like an Apple press release, the user experience with iOS is just better. Feature by feature it loses, yet it doesn't seem to matter.
 

buhdeh

Member
I'm not sure I want to hear more discussion on Google/Android from them anyways. Some of the things they say about Android are outdated or just incorrect. And no offense to Gary but he is frequently apologetic about Apple Maps with the "it's not that bad" but calls out Google Maps at the first sign of trouble.

It'd probably be better for them and the fans if they just stuck with only talking about big Google news.
 
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