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Amaron

Banned
His laptop has a 45W CPU and a ~75W GPU. Gaming on battery is not an option.

That's true. I guess Battery life doesn't matter when gaming but, as a warning, it will decrease lifetime for general use.

I may be mistaken, but doesn't that laptop have Optimus? If so, it would ultimately depend on what games he's running, correct?
 

Fidelis Hodie

Infidelis Cras
Well, here it goes!

Country where it will be purchased.
- America
Maximum budget.
- $1500 - $1600
Max size (can be in screen inches, dimensions, weight).
- Not too picky outside of a 15" screen and 1080p.
Planned usage (what kind of games or specific games it must run, if heavily gaming at all).
- Definitely gaming, but mainly editing (CS6) + music production

Honestly, I just want the best laptop for the price. Whatever is considered a work horse. USB 3.0 is a must, though it seems standard for the most part. I have an external burner, so a ssd drive instead of it (126?) is definitely viable.

So excited!
 

Asimov

Banned
Well, here it goes!

Country where it will be purchased.
- America
Maximum budget.
- $1500 - $1600
Max size (can be in screen inches, dimensions, weight).
- Not too picky outside of a 15" screen and 1080p.
Planned usage (what kind of games or specific games it must run, if heavily gaming at all).
- Definitely gaming, but mainly editing (CS6) + music production

Honestly, I just want the best laptop for the price. Whatever is considered a work horse. USB 3.0 is a must, though it seems standard for the most part. I have an external burner, so a ssd drive instead of it (126?) is definitely viable.

So excited!

The only suggestion I can give to you, is.. wait a few months until Haswell is available. No reason to not to wait for the 4th Generation of Intel processors with them so close now.
 

Fidelis Hodie

Infidelis Cras
The only suggestion I can give to you, is.. wait a few months until Haswell is available. No reason to not to wait for the 4th Generation of Intel processors with them so close now.

Oh really? Hmm. What if time is a factor as far as using it for work goes?
 

nicoga3000

Saint Nic
What benefit will the 4th gen Intel processors bring that the 3rd gen processors lack at the moment? Serious question. I have the option to get a refund on my RMA and just wait a few months for the new processors if that's the better option for high-end gaming.
 

Quazar

Member
Go through Xotic first.



Nope. I wish there was one. The equivalent 17" is the Sager NP6370 (or Clevo W370ET) LINK


Anything under $1k is too broad. In that case, pick a ~$900 one from the OP and you'll be straight.

The cheapest for what I need. Will mostly be for school, but I'd like to try out 14 on it.
 
What benefit will the 4th gen Intel processors bring that the 3rd gen processors lack at the moment? Serious question. I have the option to get a refund on my RMA and just wait a few months for the new processors if that's the better option for high-end gaming.

I'm curious about this too. I am looking hard at new laptops and wondering how smart it is to buy now--especially since I'm only going for the $1k market.
 

Danj

Member
What benefit will the 4th gen Intel processors bring that the 3rd gen processors lack at the moment? Serious question. I have the option to get a refund on my RMA and just wait a few months for the new processors if that's the better option for high-end gaming.

Lower power usage/longer battery life/better graphics performance when not using a discrete GPU/crazy fast transcoding with Quick Sync are the main things, I believe?
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
Read this guys:

Intel Haswell: everything you need to know.

The only people I've been suggesting should hold out specifically for Haswel, are those who are looking for Ultrabooks style notebooks, as the new integrated graphics will be a huge jump over what's delivered by Ivy Bridge.

The reason I've asked other if they can wait, is not because of any benefit Haswell is bringing to high-end gaming laptops, but because tons of new laptops are launching with the release of Haswell, and besides having new features they also might be bringing new AMD and Nvidia graphics cards.

Well, here it goes!

Country where it will be purchased.
- America
Maximum budget.
- $1500 - $1600
Max size (can be in screen inches, dimensions, weight).
- Not too picky outside of a 15" screen and 1080p.
Planned usage (what kind of games or specific games it must run, if heavily gaming at all).
- Definitely gaming, but mainly editing (CS6) + music production

Honestly, I just want the best laptop for the price. Whatever is considered a work horse. USB 3.0 is a must, though it seems standard for the most part. I have an external burner, so a ssd drive instead of it (126?) is definitely viable.

So excited!

The P150EM.
 

Amaron

Banned
The only suggestion I can give to you, is.. wait a few months until Haswell is available. No reason to not to wait for the 4th Generation of Intel processors with them so close now.

What benefit will the 4th gen Intel processors bring that the 3rd gen processors lack at the moment? Serious question. I have the option to get a refund on my RMA and just wait a few months for the new processors if that's the better option for high-end gaming.

I'm curious about this too. I am looking hard at new laptops and wondering how smart it is to buy now--especially since I'm only going for the $1k market.

I've been reading up on several places concerning the new Haswell, and well... it doesn't really seem like a big reason to wait and upgrade right now depending on where you stand. I'm posting some complied info concerning Intel's new chip, I've divided it into parts labeled "A(N)".

TL;DR at the bottom.

-A1-

Let's examine some things:

1) As this is a Gaming Laptop thread, I'm going to assume the majority of people want a Laptop that can decently play most of the current gen games at 60fps and/or 1080p and handle the upcoming "next-gen" games.

2) We've moved to the point where most games shall be developed for consoles primarily and ported to the PC. When I say port, I do not mean a low quality shoddy excuse, I mean an example such as Crysis 3. The main PC games are mostly MMO-type games and select Indie titles which eventually get ported to consoles to PSN or XBLA as well. It's a two way exchange, so this leads us to point 3:

3) There will ultimately be a point where consoles will hold back games, and I am referring to the PS4/Durango. Before anyone reading this rages, this is great as the new consoles are moving towards PC architecture which allows for a better PC port of a game than before. Eventually, we'll be receiving mGPUs that surpass the console counterpart.

-A2-

So how does Haswell tie into this? I'll quote some information you may find interesting concerning this.

Seeking Alpha said:
The latest news release, courtesy of Fudzilla, has the first Haswell part coming out in June and it's a 2GHz Core i7 running at 35W TDP, the Core i7-4765T. Now the prevailing wisdom is that Haswell will see instructions per clock improve by at most 15%, but more likely 10%, itself a solid achievement - you are free to disagree - given that CPU speed was not Intel's over-arching design goal here; power management and graphics performance were. The 4765T will be married to the GT2 (not GT3) HD4600 GPU which can turbo up to 1.2GHz. Okay, sounds good right? But so what?

There's an Ivy Bridge SKU now that runs at 2.2GHz and 35W TDP with the HD4000, the 3632QM. So, in effect the IPC increase is offset by the lower speed at the same thermal envelope. It doesn't matter that one is a notebook product (3632QM) and one is a desktop product (4765T). 35W TDP is 35W TDP. This is a real red flag to me and these engineering sample benchmarks support this, which show even worse performance than this theoretic comparison. So, the CPU side of Haswell may not be anything to write home about.
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Haswell as blueprinted was going to be everything to all people and, when one looked at everything Intel had planned, it was hard to argue with that conclusion. But the problem with blueprints is that eventually it has to meet with the reality of the cost of production. So, over the course of development in the past 16 months, initial features of Haswell got lopped off, most notably Crystalwell - the massive 8 GB integrated memory block to feed the new GPUs - which is where a great deal of the performance increase was going to come from. But, at this point, Crystalwell's cost is causing OEMs to scream. Even if Haswell with Crystalwell makes it into actual systems, at what price point will they be selling?

-A3-

And here is where the problem lies. The Price point. What exactly is exciting about the Haswell? Haswell is based on the same 22nm silicon as the current Ivy-Bridge chips. There's a problem though, it's not pin-compatible. This means we'll need an entirely new CPU socket and as a result, a completely new motherboard to insert our Haswell processor into. Speaking from a desktop perspective, it won't really be that much of an improvement over current gen Intel CPUs. What it will be improved in is graphics though, about a double power increase from the current HD4000. So it will provide an improved graphic capabilities with increased battery life, but what's it to us Laptop Gamers?

Now here's where the divide occurs. If you're looking for a decent solution to mild gaming with a better battery life, then the Haswell is an excellent solution that's coming up if you're not aiming for the added cost of a discrete mGPU. But if you're buying laptops with discrete GPUs in them, some that even allow upgrading mGPUs along the line, you don't really "care" in a sense about the new integrated graphics power of the Haswell. Why buy a Haswell when you can save yourself $100 in essence and buy an Ivy and get more than enough for performance?

-A4-

Conclusion/TL;DR

Haswell Pros:
-Better Integrated Graphics Performance, about x2 of that of the current HD4000
-More Battery Life
-10-15% Increase CPU speed vs Ivy (Depending on your perspective)
-New Motherboards will likely bring in new laptops

Cons:
-Only 10-15% Increase CPU speed vs Ivy (Depending on your perspective)
-Added cost to what the Ivy will probably match for cheaper
-New Integrated Graphics doesn't really matter when we're buying laptops with discrete mGPUs.
-Desktop version of a Haswell CPU runs at the same thermal envelope as a current Ivy mobile CPU, check quote for more details.
-Not Compatible with current Motherboards

If you spot any errors or anything off, feel free to correct me. Hope this helps somewhat.

EDIT: K. Jack above summarizes it even further.
 
Read this guys:

Intel Haswell: everything you need to know.

The only people I've been suggesting should hold out specifically for Haswel, are those who are looking for Ultrabooks style notebooks, as the new integrated graphics will be a huge jump over what's delivered by Ivy Bridge.

The reason I've asked other if they can wait, is not because of any benefit Haswell is bringing to high-end gaming laptops, but because tons of new laptops are launching with the release of Haswell, and besides having new features they also might be bringing new AMD and Nvidia graphics cards.



The P150EM.

I've been reading up on several places concerning the new Haswell, and well... it doesn't really seem like a big reason to wait and upgrade right now depending on where you stand. I'm posting some complied info concerning Intel's new chip, I've divided it into parts labeled "A(N)".

TL;DR at the bottom.

-A1-

Let's examine some things:

1) As this is a Gaming Laptop thread, I'm going to assume the majority of people want a Laptop that can decently play most of the current gen games at 60fps and/or 1080p and handle the upcoming "next-gen" games.

2) We've moved to the point where most games shall be developed for consoles primarily and ported to the PC. When I say port, I do not mean a low quality shoddy excuse, I mean an example such as Crysis 3. The main PC games are mostly MMO-type games and select Indie titles which eventually get ported to consoles to PSN or XBLA as well. It's a two way exchange, so this leads us to point 3:

3) There will ultimately be a point where consoles will hold back games, and I am referring to the PS4/Durango. Before anyone reading this rages, this is great as the new consoles are moving towards PC architecture which allows for a better PC port of a game than before. Eventually, we'll be receiving mGPUs that surpass the console counterpart.

-A2-

So how does Haswell tie into this? I'll quote some information you may find interesting concerning this.



-A3-

And here is where the problem lies. The Price point. What exactly is exciting about the Haswell? Haswell is based on the same 22nm silicon as the current Ivy-Bridge chips. There's a problem though, it's not pin-compatible. This means we'll need an entirely new CPU socket and as a result, a completely new motherboard to insert our Haswell processor into. Speaking from a desktop perspective, it won't really be that much of an improvement over current gen Intel CPUs. What it will be improved in is graphics though, about a double power increase from the current HD4000. So it will provide an improved graphic capabilities with increased battery life, but what's it to us Laptop Gamers?

Now here's where the divide occurs. If you're looking for a decent solution to mild gaming with a better battery life, then the Haswell is an excellent solution that's coming up if you're not aiming for the added cost of a discrete mGPU. But if you're buying laptops with discrete GPUs in them, some that even allow upgrading mGPUs along the line, you don't really "care" in a sense about the new integrated graphics power of the Haswell. Why buy a Haswell when you can save yourself $100 in essence and buy an Ivy and get more than enough for performance?

-A4-

Conclusion/TL;DR

Haswell Pros:
-Better Integrated Graphics Performance, about x2 of that of the current HD4000
-More Battery Life
-10-15% Increase CPU speed vs Ivy (Depending on your perspective)
-New Motherboards will likely bring in new laptops

Cons:
-Only 10-15% Increase CPU speed vs Ivy (Depending on your perspective)
-Added cost to what the Ivy will probably match for cheaper
-New Integrated Graphics doesn't really matter when we're buying laptops with discrete mGPUs.
-Desktop version of a Haswell CPU runs at the same thermal envelope as a current Ivy mobile CPU, check quote for more details.
-Not Compatible with current Motherboards

If you spot any errors or anything off, feel free to correct me. Hope this helps somewhat.

EDIT: K. Jack above summarizes it even further.
Thanks guys, people like you are what make GAF useful.

So that Lenovo is the way to go, eh... I'll look into it further.
 

Amaron

Banned
Well, here it goes!

Country where it will be purchased.
- America
Maximum budget.
- $1500 - $1600
Max size (can be in screen inches, dimensions, weight).
- Not too picky outside of a 15" screen and 1080p.
Planned usage (what kind of games or specific games it must run, if heavily gaming at all).
- Definitely gaming, but mainly editing (CS6) + music production

Honestly, I just want the best laptop for the price. Whatever is considered a work horse. USB 3.0 is a must, though it seems standard for the most part. I have an external burner, so a ssd drive instead of it (126?) is definitely viable.

So excited!

Xotic also offers the same laptop but has a 3% cash discount on the price if you pay using Check, Money Order, Cashiers Check or Bank Wire Transfer if you're interested. Note that if you combine said discount with another promotion such as the current $50 off purchases of $1350 or more, it decreases to 2%.
 
Friend of mine is looking to get a gaming laptop

Budget: $400-800 (maybe I can give him the three best options at different points on this scale)

Screen size: Doesn't matter - preferably 15.6" and under

He will probably only need to play games on medium

What do you guys think?

EDIT: Purchasing in the US btw
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
I've been reading up on several places concerning the new Haswell, and well... it doesn't really seem like a big reason to wait and upgrade right now depending on where you stand. I'm posting some complied info concerning Intel's new chip, I've divided it into parts labeled "A(N)".

TL;DR at the bottom.

Good stuff. Do you mind if I temporarily add your post to the OP, under the News section? You can edit it if you feel the need.


Xotic also offers the same laptop but has a 3% cash discount on the price if you pay using Check, Money Order, Cashiers Check or Bank Wire Transfer if you're interested. Note that if you combine said discount with another promotion such as the current $50 off purchases of $1350 or more, it decreases to 2%.

I've purchased through XPC myself, but I link to Pro-Star's config page because it's so much more elegant, and in the end they offer the same discounts.. I hate Xotic's site because it's ugly as fugg, and the configurator has random options thrown in between the basic hardware which may confuse people.

Friend of mine is looking to get a gaming laptop

Budget: $400-800 (maybe I can give him the three best options at different points on this scale)

Screen size: Doesn't matter - preferably 15.6" and under

He will probably only need to play games on medium

What do you guys think?

EDIT: Purchasing in the US btw

Playing new era games, and those moving into the future? Given the approach of the next-gen consoles, we need to target the very top of that budget. Assuming $800 and nothing over, the $799 Lenovo Y500 is the lowest I want to recommend. You get your quad core, and some GDDR5 memory.
So I'm in need of a laptop, anything under 1K, in USA, something that'll run FF14 well.
See the Y500 above.
 

Amaron

Banned
Good stuff. Do you mind if I temporarily add your post to the OP, under the News section? You can edit it if you feel the need.


I've purchased through XPC myself, but I link to Pro-Star's config page because it's so much more elegant, and in the end they offer the same discounts.. I hate Xotic's site because it's ugly as fugg, and the configurator has random options thrown in between the basic hardware which may confuse people.

Not at all. And yeah, I see your point about Xotic, it can confuse a lot of people with those options if you have no idea what they are.
 
So I have an asus g73 I got a couple years ago and the fan under the power button (right side closest to the screen) has gotten very loud. It only really started a few weeks ago. The computer doesn't overheat and there seems to he no functional problems, but the sound is just extremely irritating. I believe it is the gpu fan. I've tried getting the dust out but that doesn't do the trick and I have no idea how to get to the fan because opening a laptop seems like a nightmare.

Anyone have any ideas or suggestions or have experienced a similar problem with a g73

anyone have a suggestion for this?
 

Asimov

Banned
Lower power usage/longer battery life/better graphics performance when not using a discrete GPU/crazy fast transcoding with Quick Sync are the main things, I believe?

Interesting.

I use MediaCoder almost daily and I use GPU transcoding (Quick Sync) so this is good news for me.
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
Read an interesting thing concerning Intel in a January PCGamer article on Haswell:

Chances are though that it’s not really going to be that much of an improvement, in desktop performance terms, over the current generation of Intel CPUs. What it will have though is far improved graphics capabilities – somewhere in the region of twice as quick as the Ivy Bridge chip’s HD 4000 series graphics.

The new SKUs of Intel graphics will top out at the GT3E, which Intel is betting will be fast enough to form the basis for its own gaming laptops, without the need for discrete graphics. And because of the serious power-draw improvements that Haswell is also bringing to the processor table, that should make for gaming laptops with excellent battery life and decent graphical performance.

Makes me wonder if that's a hint we'll be seeing Intel's own branded laptops this Summer.

anyone have a suggestion for this?

It could be as simple as the fan being clogged with dust/dirt. I'd worry if it's a grinding sound, as that's is usually a sign that a bearing or something has failed and the fan need to be replaced altogether. In the end, you need to get to it to find out. Youtube results for ASUS G73 Disassembly.

ASUS constructs their internals like idiots so I don't envy you at all.
 

Vitor711

Member
Scan in the UK have some nice looking gaming laptops they sent me an email about. 675GTX or 7970m for £1000-1100 wi SSD+HDD and nicely configurable, all the way up to 17" with 680m SLI for £1800

Eg i7 3630QM, 15" 1080p screen, 8Gb ram, 2GB 7970m, 750GB hybrid HDD - £1025 http://3xs.scan.co.uk/ShowSystem.asp?SystemID=1532

Having bought a similarly spec'd laptop a few months ago, I can tell you that that's a pretty damned good price.

Definitely worth considering as you won't get anything better for cheaper at least in the UK. I got mine from overclockers.co.uk for a similar price but got lucky because they accidentally sent me a 680m instead of the 7970m (basically a free upgrade worth around £300).
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
Is the Y580 1080p done?

No? It's still on the Lenovo website, Amazon, and other places.

Having bought a similarly spec'd laptop a few months ago, I can tell you that that's a pretty damned good price.

Definitely worth considering as you won't get anything better for cheaper at least in the UK. I got mine from overclockers.co.uk for a similar price but got lucky because they accidentally sent me a 680m instead of the 7970m (basically a free upgrade worth around £300).

Do they know about the mistake?
 

jchap

Member
Going to be a long difficult wait for me for GT3 powered haswell W8 convertable tablet. The Lenovo Helix and Surface Pro look pretty appealing :(
 

lemonade

Member
can gaf pretty please do a proper thermal paste application video for the cpu/gpu. i have been searching the web but haven't felt comfortable with their expertise. i have a sager with dual 680's and really want to keep the temps down. thanks and much love
 

Danj

Member
Scan in the UK have some nice looking gaming laptops they sent me an email about. 675GTX or 7970m for £1000-1100 wi SSD+HDD and nicely configurable, all the way up to 17" with 680m SLI for £1800

Eg i7 3630QM, 15" 1080p screen, 8Gb ram, 2GB 7970m, 750GB hybrid HDD - £1025 http://3xs.scan.co.uk/ShowSystem.asp?SystemID=1532

Was going to ask if there were larger images of these somewhere as the ones on the site are kind of small, but I found this review which has some in. Looks like it solves my main issue with the rebadged Clevo units that were the previous value kings but looked fugly IMO. Might have to get one of these as my poor old 5850 can't cope with Tomb Raider any sense.
 
I've been thinking about getting a new laptop for a while and I've been recently having a look at what's on offer on the web. For the last few years I've been stuck with the awful Amilo Pro V3515, so pretty much anything would be a massive upgrade. I do have access to a desktop (with a pentium 4 and geforce 6200) where I mainly play PC games, although I don't really have the option of replacing that and I wouldn't have anywhere to put another desktop.

Anyway here's the general details of what I'm looking for:


Country:
United Kingdom
Maximum budget: £500(ish) I may be able to stretch a bit further if there's a decent boost in performance with a relatively small price increase
Max size: Doesn't really matter, although I would prefer a larger screen, as long as it isn't to the detriment of other system specs and at similar prices.
Planned usage: General everyday usage and web browsing to start. In regards to gaming, I'd like to be able to play most PC games, although I don't mind turning down the settings to medium or low as long as I can get a good framerate. (I've had to get by with a Geforce 6200 for the last few years so I know what it's like making compromises in order to play things). Also battery life isn't an issue because I'll keep it plugged in most of the time.

In regards to specific games, I own a few ones like The Witcher 1 and 2, Crysis, Mirror's Edge and Far Cry 2 on Steam and haven't even attempted to play them. If I could get them to run smoothly at low to medium settings then I'd be happy. Right now I occasionally play Lord of the Rings Online and Minecraft (plus dozens of older games from Steam and GOG), although I don't anticipate many problems in running these kind of games. I would also like to give Eve Online a proper go, since I could never get it to run smoothly in the past.

Still, I'm overall looking for a laptop that can provide the best gaming performance at the £500 budget. After searching online for a while today, this Acer Aspire seems to be the best candidate I can find: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Acer_Aspire_M3-581TG_Timeline_Ultrabook_Windows_8_Core_i5_-_Black_NX.RYKEK.010/version.asp I've seen a few other laptops in this price range with slightly better CPUs, but they always seem to be at the expense of the GPU (ie. a GT630m instead of the GT640m in this Acer) So if anybody can point me to a more graphically capable laptop for the same price then I'd be grateful. A few of things that put me off the Acer are the 15.6 inch screen (I'd maybe prefer around 17 inches) and the 768p resolution might be a bit low (although I'd rather stick with this res if 1080p adds too much to the price). One other minor nitpick is that touchpad is on the left side, I'd much prefer it centered.
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
Still, I'm overall looking for a laptop that can provide the best gaming performance at the £500 budget. After searching online for a while today, this Acer Aspire seems to be the best candidate I can find: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Acer_Aspire_M3-581TG_Timeline_Ultrabook_Windows_8_Core_i5_-_Black_NX.RYKEK.010/version.asp I've seen a few other laptops in this price range with slightly better CPUs, but they always seem to be at the expense of the GPU (ie. a GT630m instead of the GT640m in this Acer) So if anybody can point me to a more graphically capable laptop for the same price then I'd be grateful. A few of things that put me off the Acer are the 15.6 inch screen (I'd maybe prefer around 17 inches) and the 768p resolution might be a bit low (although I'd rather stick with this res if 1080p adds too much to the price). One other minor nitpick is that touchpad is on the left side, I'd much prefer it centered.

You seem to have reasoned things out pretty well. That is certainly the best GPU in the price range. Assuming the ULV CPU consistently maintains its max Turbo Boost number of 2.4Ghz while under gaming load, the Timeline is a better buy than say the £433.29 i3 + 630M combo I have in the OP, due to the 640M.
 

jwtsonga

Member
i want a low-mid range gaming ULTRABOOK...dont mind if it only plays next gen games at 1600x900.
Problem for me is that I want it 13-14 inches mainly for uni. It has to be thin and light and portable.
Do youse think a Haswell laptop some time towards the end of the year is a good idea? Want it to last 3 years or so. Dont mind if i have to play 720p later on in life cycle (will just be playing on the laptop screen probably, or maybe 23 inch monitor external)

It is just going to be more of an add-on to a PS4, maybe play some pc exclusives on it.
 

Wichu

Member
My friend is bored of being left out of our laptop-based LAN games due to only owning a desktop. Help me find a good laptop for him!

Region: UK
Budget: No more than £700
Usage: Gaming and standard academic stuff
Other: Powerful enough to be able to play top PC games for a few years, preferably with a DVD drive.

The £700 one linked to in the OP seems pretty good, but I was wondering whether there are any better deals out there now.
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
i want a low-mid range gaming ULTRABOOK...dont mind if it only plays next gen games at 1600x900.
Problem for me is that I want it 13-14 inches mainly for uni. It has to be thin and light and portable.
Do youse think a Haswell laptop some time towards the end of the year is a good idea? Want it to last 3 years or so. Dont mind if i have to play 720p later on in life cycle (will just be playing on the laptop screen probably, or maybe 23 inch monitor external)

It is just going to be more of an add-on to a PS4, maybe play some pc exclusives on it.
If you're not in any hurry, just wait.

My friend is bored of being left out of our laptop-based LAN games due to only owning a desktop. Help me find a good laptop for him!

Region: UK
Budget: No more than £700
Usage: Gaming and standard academic stuff
Other: Powerful enough to be able to play top PC games for a few years, preferably with a DVD drive.

The £700 one linked to in the OP seems pretty good, but I was wondering whether there are any better deals out there now.

Yes, a much better machine has come out recently, and I need to update the OP. It's the Lenovo Y500. It's £749.99, but for that £49.99 he's getting a 650M w/ GDDR5 vs the 640M w/ DDR3 in the Acer. The fast memory plus higher clocks means at least a 40% faster GPU, which extends the longevity immensely.

You also get a 1080p panel instead of the crappy 768p one in the Acer, and the Lenovo is just overall a much higher quality laptop. The backlit keyboard alone is worth the added price.

So get him to spend the extra dollars.
 

Danj

Member
It's been suggested to me that I might consider a small form factor gaming PC instead of a gaming laptop, with the Alienware X51 being the main contender. Looking at benchmark numbers I've seen around and about, it seems like its desktop Geforce 660 is more capable than any single-GPU mobile graphics chip, while the price of the X51 is a bit lower than the sort of gaming laptops I've been looking at.

I'm still not keen on travelling with something like that that's not really portable, even if it is only slightly bigger than an Xbox, so it occurred to me to wonder: what's the state of play with dual-GPU solutions in laptops? Scan have some in the form of their LG20, but other than the higher price and higher power usage, what (if any) are the drawbacks? 7970M Crossfire appears to handily beat a desktop 660 by some margin, for example.
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
The state? Ultra expensive in heavy laptops. Lacks the option to use the integrated GPU to extend battery life. The investment loses value within a year, when the next year's GPU architecture allows a single mobile card to equal the dual cards you spent heavy $$$ on today.

I'm not a fan.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
If you're not in any hurry, just wait.



Yes, a much better machine has come out recently, and I need to update the OP. It's the Lenovo Y500. It's £749.99, but for that £49.99 he's getting a 650M w/ GDDR5 vs the 640M w/ DDR3 in the Acer. The fast memory plus higher clocks means at least a 40% faster GPU, which extends the longevity immensely.

You also get a 1080p panel instead of the crappy 768p one in the Acer, and the Lenovo is just overall a much higher quality laptop. The backlit keyboard alone is worth the added price.

So get him to spend the extra dollars.

plus the ability to SLI the graphics down the line using the ultrabay. its a nice choice.

Which is more powerful, the y500, or the y580? And by how much?


standard y500 has a GT650M with GDDR5 ram. Standard Y580 has a GTX660m with GDDR5. about a 10% difference according to notebookcheck

As mentioned above, the party trick of the Y500 is you can swap out the DVD drive for another GT650m, running them in SLI, which would give it the advantage.


eg according to notebookcheck,

Far cry 3 on high detail:
- GT650m: 28fps
- GTX660m: 35fps
- GT650m SLI: 42 fps.
 
I've worked out I can stretch my budget a bit further and now I've reach a point where I'm trying to decide between 2 laptops.

First is the MSI CX61 for £599.97: http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/MSI_CX61_1356341.html
Specs -
CPU: Intel i7-3630QM Quad Core, 2.4 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache (3.4GHz turbo boost)
GPU: GT645m with 2GB memory
RAM: 8GB DDR3
OS: Windows 8

Second is the Samsung 550P5C for £627.27: http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/Samsung_550P5C_1217863.html
Specs -
CPU: Intel i5-3210M Dual Core, 2.5GHz, 3MB Cache (turbo boost 3.1GHz)
GPU: GT650m with 2GB memory (I'm not 100% sure but I think this is the ddr3 version and not GDDR5)
RAM: 8GB DDR3
OS: Windows 7

Both have a resolution of 1366x768, although the Samsung is not glossy, which I prefer. Ultimately it comes down to the difference between the i7 quad core vs i5 dual core, and 645m vs 650m. I'm mainly looking for which would lead to the best gaming performance, which would naturally favour the 650, although I'm not sure how much the i7 would turn the tables. Also I'm not too sure which out of Windows 7 or 8 would be better, since I haven't had any personal experience with either OS. Although I imagine Windows 7 would be a fairly safe bet.
 
Hello Desktop GAF. I am in dire need of new computer and I was thinking about a laptop instead of desktop because I travel a lot between two cities but mostly the computer would get desktop use: I won't need a mega PC that will run any game on ultra high, but I'd like to do some coding and light 3d modelling work (like quick sketches and low poly models most likely). If games run fine that's good too :p I also plan to buy a desktop for bigger 3d/video edit/etc. work but right now I am piss poor and I need a PC asap. (My current PC is a desktop running sweet ass 1.4Ghz AMD Duron with awesome GEForceMX440SE card 8) ).

Basic info:

Country where it will be purchased. Finland
Maximum budget. 600 euros
Max size (can be in screen inches, dimensions, weight). Any, bigger the better
Planned usage (what kind of games or specific games it must run, if heavily gaming at all). There on the intro text
Ideally you'll point out what resolution and settings are your standard, based off of what I've laid out in the OP. Check intro text
Whatever else you find relevant, misc. things such as desired battery life, screen resolution, fan noise, etc. None

I'll note that I have free access to Windows 7/8 via MSDN so OS isn't a must.

Thanks a ton.
 
I eventually ended up ordering the Samsung from laptopsdirect: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Samsung_550P_COREI5-3210_15.6_8GB_1TB_W7H_NP550P5C-S04UK/version.asp

It looks like the 650m has around a 10% performance boost over the 645m. Also it seems that at 768p the type of graphics RAM doesn't make much of a difference, so it won't be lacking too much compared to GDDR5. The i7 would have been nice, but the i5 seems pretty powerful in its own right and the GPU will probably be the bottleneck in most games. Finally, the non-glossy screen on the Samsung just seals the deal, I've used glossy laptops for short periods before and found them to get irritating pretty quickly.


One final note, this is what I'm upgrading from: Fujitsu Siemens V3515

It's like going from PS1 to PS4!
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
I've worked out I can stretch my budget a bit further and now I've reach a point where I'm trying to decide between 2 laptops.

First is the MSI CX61 for £599.97: http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/MSI_CX61_1356341.html
Specs -
CPU: Intel i7-3630QM Quad Core, 2.4 GHz, 6 MB L3 cache (3.4GHz turbo boost)
GPU: GT645m with 2GB memory
RAM: 8GB DDR3
OS: Windows 8

Second is the Samsung 550P5C for £627.27: http://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/Samsung_550P5C_1217863.html
Specs -
CPU: Intel i5-3210M Dual Core, 2.5GHz, 3MB Cache (turbo boost 3.1GHz)
GPU: GT650m with 2GB memory (I'm not 100% sure but I think this is the ddr3 version and not GDDR5)
RAM: 8GB DDR3
OS: Windows 7

Both have a resolution of 1366x768, although the Samsung is not glossy, which I prefer. Ultimately it comes down to the difference between the i7 quad core vs i5 dual core, and 645m vs 650m. I'm mainly looking for which would lead to the best gaming performance, which would naturally favour the 650, although I'm not sure how much the i7 would turn the tables. Also I'm not too sure which out of Windows 7 or 8 would be better, since I haven't had any personal experience with either OS. Although I imagine Windows 7 would be a fairly safe bet.

The i7 + 645M is the winning combo, easily. We don't want to be caught with dual cores win the 6-core next-gen console ports start popping out. With both cards being DDR3, the only minor difference is the 650M having slightly higher clocks, which is an advantage you can negate with a simple overclocking of the 645M.

Hello Desktop GAF. I am in dire need of new computer and I was thinking about a laptop instead of desktop because I travel a lot between two cities but mostly the computer would get desktop use: I won't need a mega PC that will run any game on ultra high, but I'd like to do some coding and light 3d modelling work (like quick sketches and low poly models most likely). If games run fine that's good too :p I also plan to buy a desktop for bigger 3d/video edit/etc. work but right now I am piss poor and I need a PC asap. (My current PC is a desktop running sweet ass 1.4Ghz AMD Duron with awesome GEForceMX440SE card 8) ).

Basic info:

Country where it will be purchased. Finland
Maximum budget. 600 euros
Max size (can be in screen inches, dimensions, weight). Any, bigger the better
Planned usage (what kind of games or specific games it must run, if heavily gaming at all). There on the intro text
Ideally you'll point out what resolution and settings are your standard, based off of what I've laid out in the OP. Check intro text
Whatever else you find relevant, misc. things such as desired battery life, screen resolution, fan noise, etc. None

I'll note that I have free access to Windows 7/8 via MSDN so OS isn't a must.

Thanks a ton.

Link me to some Finnish computer stores, and I can help you out.

I eventually ended up ordering the Samsung from laptopsdirect: http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Samsung_550P_COREI5-3210_15.6_8GB_1TB_W7H_NP550P5C-S04UK/version.asp

It looks like the 650m has around a 10% performance boost over the 645m. Also it seems that at 768p the type of graphics RAM doesn't make much of a difference, so it won't be lacking too much compared to GDDR5. The i7 would have been nice, but the i5 seems pretty powerful in its own right and the GPU would probably be the bottleneck in most games. Finally, the non-glossy screen on the Samsung just seals the deal, I've used glossy laptops for short periods before and found them to get irritating pretty quickly.


One final note, this is what I'm upgrading from: http://www.cnet.com/laptops/fujitsu-amilo-pro-v3515/4505-3121_7-32520413.html

It's like going from PS1 to PS4!

I guess I responded too late. That i5 will be a major bottleneck in your gaming future.
 
I guess I responded too late. That i5 will be a major bottleneck in your gaming future.
Don't worry about it, I'm primarily a console gamer so I'll probably be getting a PS4 anyway to deal with the proper next gen stuff. Like I said, it was the glossy screen that mainly turned me off the other laptop, and I couldn't find any others with those kind of specs in the price range (this really is the max of my current budget). I'm quite happy playing PC games with lower graphical setting, and there's thousands of already released ones which the Samsung opens doors to. Also I may end up mainly playing older games like Eve Online (I'm very invested in Dust 514 right now).

A proper desktop PC isn't out of the question in the next couple of years as well, there I can really be serious with getting the proper specs for future PC gaming.
 

K.Jack

Knowledge is power, guard it well
I bought a Sager NP9170 with a GTX680M about a month and a half ago.

Before that you told me you could help me overclocking it, are you still up to it? I have no idea how to.
 
Originally posted this in the gamer laptop recommendation thread and got directed over here. All input appreciated. Thanks!


So my lovely godfather bought me a new laptop as a belated birthday gift. Its an Alienware M14X R2 and currently in production, so I'm not sure I can change any of the customizations he chose.

Let me know if this sounds solid from a performance perspective (obviously being a gift the price is irrelevant), and if there is anything I should keep on the radar as far as upgrading. Thanks GAF.

Alienware M14X R2
Intel Core i7-3630QM (6MB Cache, up to 3.4GHz w/ Turbo Boost 2.0)
8GB Dual Channel DDR3 at 1600MHz
14.0" High Def+ (900p/1600x900) with WLED backlight
2 GB DDR5 NVIDIA GeForceGT 650M using NVIDIA Optimus technology
32G mSATA caching SSD
750GB 7200RPM SATA 3Gb/s
Slot-Loading Dual Layer DVD Burner, DVD+-RW
Creative Sound Blaster Recon3Di with THX TruStudio Pro Software

Also this would be my first Alienware laptop, any concerns I should keep an eye on from folks who own or have owned an M14x R2?
 

Danj

Member
The state? Ultra expensive in heavy laptops. Lacks the option to use the integrated GPU to extend battery life. The investment loses value within a year, when the next year's GPU architecture allows a single mobile card to equal the dual cards you spent heavy $$$ on today.

I'm not a fan.

Well, AMD have already said they're not going to be working on new GPUs this year haven't they? So are nVidia going to be putting out anything new for laptops this year?
 

CCF23

Member
Country where it will be purchased: Canada
Maximum budget: $750-1000
Max size: 15-16"

Planned usage:
a) Would be considering one as a couple year "stop gap" between my aging desktop and a new build. Considering a laptop instead of just doing the desktop now because I'm often back and forth to my girlfriend's for days at a time.
b) Battery life is not really important.

Okay, so aside from the basic info I'm really just looking for some specific info on the Lenovo Y500 and/or the Y580. I'm not considering the Y400 because I want 1920x1080 res. I'm concerned, though, that with the resolution that high, the GT650M 2GB won't be powerful enough? I'm not looking to run the higher end games (Crysis, Far Cry, Anno, etc) on high, but I would ideally like to run them on medium and then other newer (but less graphically demanding) games on high.

I do like the option of the "ultra bay" or whatever they call it, and the ability to plug in a second GPU if I ever need to, but it's not in my budget right now.

I can get the Y500 with the high res screen, and the 16GB SSD drive for $839 plus tax which, from what I've seen comparably with other laptops in that range, seems to be a good deal. I'm mainly just looking for clarification on what I'm getting into with the GT650M at that res and if it's worth it or not.

The Y580 has the better graphics card, but unfortunately isn't being offered currently with the high res screen, which is a huge knock against it to me and why I'm leaning more towards the Y500 if I buy at all.

I'm also kind of wondering how long a laptop like that would be "sufficient" before I start to badly want/need to upgrade/build my desktop. If I'm expecting to squeeze 2+ years out of it, am I going to be sorry?

Also, if you guys have any other options/suggestions besides the Lenovo's I'm looking at, please let me know.

Thanks.
 
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