Rrongfield
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The fifth one could also be Chameleon I think.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 |SPOILER THREAD| Enter Marcs Webb
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The fifth one could also be Chameleon I think.
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I talked with the cast and crew this past weekend and got some good tidbits. A TON of the discussion was spoilers though, so had to leave that out.
'The Amazing Spider-Man 2′ Team Talks Potential Marvel Cross-Overs, Villain Overload, Clint Eastwood, and More
'The Amazing Spider-Man 2′ Team Talks Potential Marvel Cross-Overs, Villain Overload, Clint Eastwood, and More
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
I was banned just before I saw the film.
But outside of the film's opening action scene with Spidey - which was very fun indeed, the film was complete garbage.
What I found hilarious is that they found a whole new way for Peter to be a cunt in this film. Harry has a legitimate beef. He tells Peter 'I'm dying, you have a chance at saving my life if you give me some of your blood', to which Peter retorts 'Yeah, but I don't know what could happen if I do. It could make you sick.', to which Harry once again reiterates 'I'm dying you fucking idiot. What does it matter? It's a chance to save my life. Doesn't Spider-Man like to save people?' Then Peter has no way to combat this logic and just pisses off.
Only later does he find out about that special desinty-blood of his.
The opening scene with the parents is so pointlessly stupid and unnecessary.
What I especially loved is the filmmakers trying desperately to make it so that Gwen's death isn't his fault. Her running around screaming beforehand 'This is my own decision to be here! FYI! Just remember that in a few minutes time!' The foreshadowing was obnoxious. They once again did everything they could to paint it as thought Peter wasn't responsible for her death.
And oh god, Jamie Foxx... Jamie Foxx. That Dehaan's Goblin shows up in the last 5 minutes to kill Gwen is indicative of just how forced this film was. They had him and Peter skipping stones together for christ sake. :lol
The whole thing with Peter finding his father's underground subway lab really had me thinking if the writers knew what the hell they were doing. How was any of this necessary? This film was such schlock. And Webb continues his trend of cringeworthy angsty teen soundtracks.
Speaking of soudntracks, Zimmer's score was like some early-90s cheesefest shit. Good lord.
But yeah, when Garfield is in the suit making witty quips, it's pretty neat I guess.
But outside of the film's opening action scene with Spidey - which was very fun indeed, the film was complete garbage.
What I found hilarious is that they found a whole new way for Peter to be a cunt in this film. Harry has a legitimate beef. He tells Peter 'I'm dying, you have a chance at saving my life if you give me some of your blood', to which Peter retorts 'Yeah, but I don't know what could happen if I do. It could make you sick.', to which Harry once again reiterates 'I'm dying you fucking idiot. What does it matter? It's a chance to save my life. Doesn't Spider-Man like to save people?' Then Peter has no way to combat this logic and just pisses off.
Only later does he find out about that special desinty-blood of his.
The opening scene with the parents is so pointlessly stupid and unnecessary.
What I especially loved is the filmmakers trying desperately to make it so that Gwen's death isn't his fault. Her running around screaming beforehand 'This is my own decision to be here! FYI! Just remember that in a few minutes time!' The foreshadowing was obnoxious. They once again did everything they could to paint it as thought Peter wasn't responsible for her death.
And oh god, Jamie Foxx... Jamie Foxx. That Dehaan's Goblin shows up in the last 5 minutes to kill Gwen is indicative of just how forced this film was. They had him and Peter skipping stones together for christ sake. :lol
The whole thing with Peter finding his father's underground subway lab really had me thinking if the writers knew what the hell they were doing. How was any of this necessary? This film was such schlock. And Webb continues his trend of cringeworthy angsty teen soundtracks.
Speaking of soudntracks, Zimmer's score was like some early-90s cheesefest shit. Good lord.
But yeah, when Garfield is in the suit making witty quips, it's pretty neat I guess.
RustyNails
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Holy shit, the new flood of reviews have tanked the movie's RT score. It's one point away from rotten category.
Not surprising from what I've read in both topics.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
So not surprised then.
I hope they keep on making these ASM films. Not because they're good, but because I like reading your rants about them.
It's tough to beat SM2. Most modern super hero films can't.
Gave it a rewatch last night, still a great film.
Dang...everything in this post is on point lol.
You missed the bit about Rhino though.
Was a bit disappointed throughout the whole movie..
Why was Harry so obsessed with getting the cure RIGHT NOW!, taking risks and not caring if Pete's blood killed him? It's the same disease his father lived with for 30+ years and he's known that he's got it for what? Less than a month?
The foreshadowing of Gwen's death was very heavy handed and clumsy.
Was expecting Electro to have more of a thing with Gwen too..After the whole elevator scene with him being surprised/excited that she remembered his name, I was thinking that in one of the scenes where Spidey/Electro/Gwen were all in the same area there would be some sort of interaction..Nope..Even when it's just the 3 of them and she's standing a few feet away he doesn't pay her any notice.
Why was Harry so obsessed with getting the cure RIGHT NOW!, taking risks and not caring if Pete's blood killed him? It's the same disease his father lived with for 30+ years and he's known that he's got it for what? Less than a month?
The foreshadowing of Gwen's death was very heavy handed and clumsy.
Was expecting Electro to have more of a thing with Gwen too..After the whole elevator scene with him being surprised/excited that she remembered his name, I was thinking that in one of the scenes where Spidey/Electro/Gwen were all in the same area there would be some sort of interaction..Nope..Even when it's just the 3 of them and she's standing a few feet away he doesn't pay her any notice.
I'm pretty sure Peter giving Harry his blood would've made him the Lizard 2.0 or something like that. It wasn't a guaranteed cure. But yeah, the movie is a mess. The Gwen thing before her death was a really dumb cop out to alleviate him of blame. I still think Peter is to blame though, as he didn't let her leave to London like they agreed. Instead he was going to try and follow her- which seemed pretty desperate. The movie had like zero subtlety when it came to foreshadowing her death. Not even teases- just stuff like Gwen's speech graduated which was pretty generic.
EDIT: the patents thing was gonna be resolved in the first film. For some reason they cut it and resolved it in this one. It's meaningless because it wasn't anything we didn't already know, and it was mostly implied even in the little bit we see of it in TASM.
EDIT: the patents thing was gonna be resolved in the first film. For some reason they cut it and resolved it in this one. It's meaningless because it wasn't anything we didn't already know, and it was mostly implied even in the little bit we see of it in TASM.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Holy hell I completely forgot to mention the London thing. God Peter is so fucking dumb. This whole time he's agonizing about Gwen, when he finally comes to the brilliant conclusion he'll go with Gwen to London. 'Okay', I say to myself, 'He's willing to give up being Spider-Man to be with her. Maybe he's finally learning.'
Then he mentions that he's sure London has some criminals for Spider-Man to deal with. How does this dude not fucking get it?
At this point, he's responsible for turning Harry vengeful by telling him 'Good luck with that whole fatal disease thing you got lol seeya' and getting Gwen killed. All the while the writers and Webb do everything they can to make us believe it's not Peter's fault, because god forbid he should fucking be responsible for anything.
I also remember some awful scene where he argues with Aunt May about doing his laundry.
Charles Foster Kane
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Not to worry, he'll learn about responsibility in the third movie. lol
This version of Peter Parker is a selfish cunt.
That didn't bother me.
This bothered me. Peter's stance is entirely sensible since he knows that his father's research (which he has access too at this point) could result in a cure with 0% chance of turning into the Green Goblin.
I discussed with my girlfriend what happened in the comics before seeing the movie because she was having a bad day. Apparently she held out hope until the very end. Me? I was resigned to her fate within a few lines of her speech.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Brando doesn't even quip in On the Waterfront. This is the new measure by which films are judged.
If he did, he could've been somebody.
just got back. maybe its because i was p drunk throughout, but I didn't think this was a v good spidey flick. it was better than ASM 1 no doubt...but this just felt super haphazard overall.
maybe i should watch it again sober, but man, i left super disappointed.
edit - also i had a bit of a man of steel moment at the beginning when spidey is sitting there cracking jokes at rhino while he's very clearly crushing people to death with his truck.
it felt odd
maybe i should watch it again sober, but man, i left super disappointed.
edit - also i had a bit of a man of steel moment at the beginning when spidey is sitting there cracking jokes at rhino while he's very clearly crushing people to death with his truck.
it felt odd
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
Great portrayal of Spider-Man in a messy film. Guess you can't have it all.
MutonCommander
Banned
Oh dear. Pass!
It's gone rotten now, and it's officially lower than Spiderman 3... oh well, at least the audience rating is high.
Easily the most accurate representation of Spider-man/Parker on screen.I thought the film was absolutly fantastic. Gwen seemd like a pretty well rounded three dimensional female character to me, which is pretty rare in comic book films. It was the goblins fault that Gwen died. Not peters or Gwens, I don't know what film you watched.
Of course the film has flaws. The pacing is off, Electro has some awful lines and yeah, you could disregard the stuff with his parents but The film completely understood Spider-man/Parker and the world he lives in. It did it a damn sight better than Man of steel did thats for sure.
I genuinely don't understand the arsehole criticism aimed at Garfield Peter Parker. He fits the role perfectly.Thank fuck we're rid of whingy Maguire anyway. This film is up there with Winter soldier 2, Avengers,Dredd and the Dark knight for me.
Corpsepyre
Banned
Saw it today. Super mediocre in every possible way. Shoehorned villains, AWFUL Electro with zero motivation, short action sequences, way too much time spent/wasted on Parker/Gwen love and breakup saga, De Haan was the saving grace and every scene he was in was a standout except for the way he turned into the Goblin within a matter of seconds, suit and all. Complete and utter wasted opportunity on that front. Hoping X-Men is better than this.
A solid 6.5/10 at best. First film was better in almost every way.
A solid 6.5/10 at best. First film was better in almost every way.
Thats why Garfield whined the whole time, too.
Do you know classic Spider-Man, not only the stuff of the last decade? Doesnt seem so, Maguire was a perfect take on Golden Age Guilt-issued Spider-Man.
thecouncil
Banned
"With great power, comes no responsibility. It's probably someone else's fault."
That should be the tagline on the poster for ASM3.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
The responsibility thing is really referring to using his powers correctly. Which he does.
Eh, no?
I've been reading Spider-man for over twenty years. He's by far my favourite comic book character and I've read all of Lee's run. I cannot fathom how you would think Maguire is more faithful to Lee's Spiderman than Garfield. Peter Parker is'nt supposed to be a uncharismatic social retard. He got picked on sure,but he dealt with the same problems lots of teenagers do. Thats the point of the character. One of the major plot strand in ASM2 is how peter is guilt ridden over captain stacys death so I don't know where your going with that one. Maguire was truly, truly awful and a stain on the stories that Stan Lee wrote.
Has a few enjoyable moments, with spidey doing spidey things, but the story is just a mess. A big amount of the film is pointless. The green goblin learns to be the green goblin in matter of seconds, as does Rhino.
They are trying to set up a set of future films in the most ungraceful way possible.
The chemisty between Garfield and Stone was the best part for me, and they threw that down the drain.
I saw this last night and it was quite awful. The teen/love/drama parts just coming and retreading the same lines and it warn me down after the 2nd time they decided to break up so by the 3rd time I was over it.
Although a brutal death, I am kind of glad Gwen is gone so that back-and-forth is done with.
Although a brutal death, I am kind of glad Gwen is gone so that back-and-forth is done with.
Not sure who exactly you're mocking here (presumably those who enjoyed TASM since many here haven't seen the movie- but that's a better film than this lol). I'm definitely in the camp that enjoyed Spider-Man in this film while fully acknowledging this is was some of the worst storytelling ever in a superhero film. I didn't hate Peter as much as Sculli dud (lol), but the storytelling was so bad and rushed that I can easily see where he's coming from.
Like, there is this one scene during the final fight that is so unnecessary, and it's their way of showing the scale of Electro's power when he holds the city hostage via power outage. It not only hurts the pace of the third act, but lacks any tension whatsoever lol and is very out of place (something about pilots landing planes). Completely UNNECESSARY! Then there is the overlong boring exposition with his dad's subplot, again UNNECESSARY! Electro also obliterates Time Square, but no one really mentions it after that lol.
If there was anything they could've delved into, it should've been why exactly Peter couldn't give Harry his blood. It isn't made clear, and the audience, like Peter; has to make assumptions to justify his reason. I assumed that it would transform him into a Goblin monster, but one poster said that isn't the case since he found out about his dads research or something. The movie also insults your intelligence for most of its run, and if not for Garfield and Stones performance I would probably hate it more. If you didn't like Garfield in the 1st film, then I'll be surprised if you can find any redeeming qualities about this film. His Spider-Man is much improved though, but that doesn't fix any of the films problems. It's like star athletes being on a super shitty team. I also actually liked Dehan's Goblin too, even though he had like no screentime and was put in the film just to kill Gwen.
Also, they did that thing where some of the scenes in the trailer are lies and are completely absent in the final film.
I feel like the only reason there is any believable chemistry between them is because the actors are actually a couple in real life, because I never thought the script did them any favors.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
This movie. This fucking movie.
Do I have to even begin describing how bad Electro was? From his bumbling 90s Disney live action cues, his 'roars' and grunts, to his new little power rangers Electro costume, I was left speechless. I actually couldn't believe this was allowed after how Schumacher inadvertently changed the industry. That I was watching this schlock in a movie titled Spider-Man 2.
Then there's the magnificent Dane DeHaan who was thrown to waste for the sake of...y'know what...I don't know why. His motivations made zero sense. He wanted Pete's blood, Pete told him that it could fuck him up. He's pissed off. He gets some spider venom and realizes Pete was RIGHT. And decides to go fuck him up and kill his girlfriend because...because...Pete was right? He gains no powers as far as we know, jumps into a military suit for no reason I could understand, and then decides to create sinister six for more mysterious reasons.
Gwen Stacy. Oh Gwen. I don't know if you didn't realize that Pete clearly didn't want to move on and that you two weren't actually headed in two different directions given that Pete wasn't headed anywhere. But you were clearly ready to fuck off to Oxford and you didn't hesitate to rub it in. Pete is a cunt. Sure. But the writers don't seem to know that. Then why are the writers trying their best to portray this relationship as finished when they want us to emote over her death? Stop. Please, I want to get off.
Aunt May. Brilliant idea. Let's make her desperate for Pete's attention. Let's take that little thing EVERYONE hated about Pete in the first movie where he treats her like trash, and let's dial that up in this movie. Let's make it so bad that Aunt May has to go up to Pete and tell him that she practically raised him and that he's an ungrateful and evasive little shit. After this, let's have Pete completely ignore her plea.
To wrap up this turd fest, let's hint at the Sinister Six. Let's get people excited. Harry is healed up. Let's make this menacing so the audience looks forward to the future instalments. Let's see. How much time do we have left? 10 minutes? Great! We can fit Rhino in quickly and show how incompetent Harry's plan is before the next movie even begins!
That sums up my thoughts on this movie. Great visuals and action aside of course. They wasted some incredible talent in this movie. Can't wait for ASM 3.
Do I have to even begin describing how bad Electro was? From his bumbling 90s Disney live action cues, his 'roars' and grunts, to his new little power rangers Electro costume, I was left speechless. I actually couldn't believe this was allowed after how Schumacher inadvertently changed the industry. That I was watching this schlock in a movie titled Spider-Man 2.
Then there's the magnificent Dane DeHaan who was thrown to waste for the sake of...y'know what...I don't know why. His motivations made zero sense. He wanted Pete's blood, Pete told him that it could fuck him up. He's pissed off. He gets some spider venom and realizes Pete was RIGHT. And decides to go fuck him up and kill his girlfriend because...because...Pete was right? He gains no powers as far as we know, jumps into a military suit for no reason I could understand, and then decides to create sinister six for more mysterious reasons.
Gwen Stacy. Oh Gwen. I don't know if you didn't realize that Pete clearly didn't want to move on and that you two weren't actually headed in two different directions given that Pete wasn't headed anywhere. But you were clearly ready to fuck off to Oxford and you didn't hesitate to rub it in. Pete is a cunt. Sure. But the writers don't seem to know that. Then why are the writers trying their best to portray this relationship as finished when they want us to emote over her death? Stop. Please, I want to get off.
Aunt May. Brilliant idea. Let's make her desperate for Pete's attention. Let's take that little thing EVERYONE hated about Pete in the first movie where he treats her like trash, and let's dial that up in this movie. Let's make it so bad that Aunt May has to go up to Pete and tell him that she practically raised him and that he's an ungrateful and evasive little shit. After this, let's have Pete completely ignore her plea.
To wrap up this turd fest, let's hint at the Sinister Six. Let's get people excited. Harry is healed up. Let's make this menacing so the audience looks forward to the future instalments. Let's see. How much time do we have left? 10 minutes? Great! We can fit Rhino in quickly and show how incompetent Harry's plan is before the next movie even begins!
That sums up my thoughts on this movie. Great visuals and action aside of course. They wasted some incredible talent in this movie. Can't wait for ASM 3.
I agree with this. Batman Forever Electro!!! My boss and I can't help but think that Jamie Foxx wanted to be a super hero and he bugged Sony (his record label) to let him be one and they screwed him over.
The only thing I disagree with your statement is the action...it seemed light on action and most of the big fight moments were in the trailers.
Salvor.Hardin
Banned
The trailers were a bit of a problem. Not just action scenes, but the entire plot of the movie was there for everyone to see. You didn't even have to piece anything together.
As for the visuals, everytime I saw Spidey webslinging, I was engaged. The 3D was mesmerizing in some ways.
You liked Spider-Man 2. You're a man of good taste. So how in the world did you prefer ASM 2?
I actually really liked the film. I feel like Electro was kind of filling a weird spot in the movie though. I was wayyy more intrigued in Harry's development, Oscorp's dark side, and pretty much everything more than Electro. He didn't leave any lasting impacts and his character development was pretty much thrown once Harry came in. Harry also had a terrible Goblin laugh.
And I am pissed about Kafka. One of my favorite downplayed characters from the comics turned into some stereotypical accented creep? No thanks.
And I am pissed about Kafka. One of my favorite downplayed characters from the comics turned into some stereotypical accented creep? No thanks.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Bro, you missed the worst part of all this. When Peter - as both himself and Spider-man, tells a dying Harry that he can't let him analyze his blood to try and procure a way of saving his life... because he's not sure what it will do. Keep in mind, this is BEFORE Peter goes on his excursion to his father's bus-lab bullshit and finds out about his destiny blood. Harry tells him over and over 'Yes, but I'm dying anyway. Won't you at least let me try? It could save my life? Don't you do that? Doesn't Spider-Man try to save people? All I'm asking is for a sample of your blood to try and save my life.' Peter doesn't like listening to reason and basically tells him 'Well... I... uhh... hmm...sorry!' and zip-lines out the window.
If anything, Harry is more sympathetic to me than Peter in this film. And that's when you know your script is fucked. Peter basically left Harry to die for no fucking reason. I understand Harry's resentment. Fuck Peter.
More_Badass
Member
This. I'd like to know as well
BattleMonkey
Member
The spiderman parts and action was pretty cool, but what a mess of a movie.
It's odd as I felt the opposite about ASM1, where I though the Peter/Gwen stuff was good and it went to crap when he was spiderman. But that too felt like a really sloppy film.
The playful spiderman nature of the film was nice, but yea it was just not very good at everything else
It's odd as I felt the opposite about ASM1, where I though the Peter/Gwen stuff was good and it went to crap when he was spiderman. But that too felt like a really sloppy film.
The playful spiderman nature of the film was nice, but yea it was just not very good at everything else
Just got back. Couple of things on my mind:
I'm honestly surprised they killed Gwen. It was one of those things where they hinted at it SO hard that I thought they'd swerve us at the end with a "lol nope". I also figured they'd keep her alive since Emma Stone is a legit star but I guess not. It was well done.
We have a new worst green goblin design. Goodbye Power Rangers Goblin from Spidey 1, hello.... whatever the fuck that was. Awful.
Also, I don't think the Raimi trilogy haters can fault Tobey for his crying anymore... cause god damn did Garfield cry a lot in this film. Way more than Tobey in the original trilogy. Besides the actual ending, it wasn't needed.
I still don't understand exactly why there was so much focus on Peter's parents in the first film and this one.
How the fuck would they have incorporated Mary Jane into this movie? LOL
Overall, I feel like it was better than the first ASM. Still can't hold Spidey 1 and 2s jockstrap. Wasn't terrible, just... average.
I'm honestly surprised they killed Gwen. It was one of those things where they hinted at it SO hard that I thought they'd swerve us at the end with a "lol nope". I also figured they'd keep her alive since Emma Stone is a legit star but I guess not. It was well done.
We have a new worst green goblin design. Goodbye Power Rangers Goblin from Spidey 1, hello.... whatever the fuck that was. Awful.
Also, I don't think the Raimi trilogy haters can fault Tobey for his crying anymore... cause god damn did Garfield cry a lot in this film. Way more than Tobey in the original trilogy. Besides the actual ending, it wasn't needed.
I still don't understand exactly why there was so much focus on Peter's parents in the first film and this one.
How the fuck would they have incorporated Mary Jane into this movie? LOL
Overall, I feel like it was better than the first ASM. Still can't hold Spidey 1 and 2s jockstrap. Wasn't terrible, just... average.
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