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Let's face it, no one really knows how Peter completely made such awesomely complex looking costumes in either Spider-man 1 or Amazing. It's like, let's get started with some designs (Amazing adds a bit with the eye pieces), and then later "screw-it" he's Spider-man now.

Wait. Of course we know how he did in TAS. They show him searching the web for spandex. We can pretty much conclude that he ended up buying spandex from some online store and embossed the spider ensignia on it.
 
Wait. Of course we know how he did in TAS. They show him searching the web for spandex. We can pretty much conclude that he ended up buying spandex from some online store and embossed the spider ensignia on it.

lol what. No way either of the spidermen could make those suits in real life. Fortunately this isn't real life.
 
How .gif worthy was the film?
Spiderman 3...still redeemed by gifs.

Not really .gif worthy at all.
Barely anything thats particularly stand out im actually sad, i went on a mini media blackout but the first full trailer pretty much spoiled everything cool.

THe school fight is pretty much the only thing even remotely worth gif'n but im probably not going to when the DVD comes out.

I wonder if Peter drank the chocolate milk that got his uncle killed.

What kind of teenager buys chocolate milk that late at night?

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Just came back from my nigh private screening (about 7 people in the theatre)
Was the post credits scene meant to be that ambiguous or am i missing something?
 
Wait. Of course we know how he did in TAS. They show him searching the web for spandex. We can pretty much conclude that he ended up buying spandex from some online store and embossed the spider ensignia on it.
He just bought a suit online with a texture like that? For what? From where? Do you know how hard it would be put all of the webbing lines and insignia onto a stretchy 'spandex' outfit?
Now I'm not saying that is some great fault with the movie, since this is always a funny part of any spider-man origin story, but I don't think it was handled here better than any other 'uhh, yeah so he just made the costume, don't think about it'-explanation.

Even though it's clearly less realistic, I'd like to think that Peter actually 'designed' his outfit to some degree and didn't just stamp a logo on a mass produced uniform.
 
Peter's uncle dieing had no emotional build up what so ever either...neither did aunt may seem likable I dunno the whole family aspect was covered better in Rami's spiderman.

I agree with this. It felt like the writers knew that the audience would already know Spiderman's origin story like it were our own, so they tried to rush through it to get it out of the way.

The only problem with that is it still took up way too much of the movie.

And if you're not going to bother telling an old story as though it were new again, why tell it at all? They could have gotten creative with Spidey's origin story this time around and told it in a different way (I liked the idea someone mentioned a few pages ago about starting the movie at the car thief scene and then telling his origin story through a series of flashbacks.

This just felt like that wanted the payoff of the origin story in Raimi's first Spiderman, but with none of the actual work or layering.
 
I very much disagree about Ben's death having no buildup. It happened right after that incredibly well written and acted argument when Peter forgot about May. The entirety of that sequence was part of the dramatic tension of that scene. Peter storming out of the house and Ben trying to get him back was all a part of his death.

It was done realistically. When people die it's not always some big dramatic Hollywood moment. He got shot while trying to protect other people. The death itself just happened, just like it normally would (I suppose, I don't have any personal experience with this). What made it great was that it happened after the fight that broke out at home, which IMO made it even more painful and emotional.
 
Peter's uncle dieing had no emotional build up what so ever either...neither did aunt may seem likable I dunno the whole family aspect was covered better in Rami's spiderman.

Uncle Ben has like two short scenes in that movie. I thought he was much more well realized in this movie. Aunt May wasn't as central but I thought Ben was much better handled.
 
I very much disagree about Ben's death having no buildup. It happened right after that incredibly well written and acted argument when Peter forgot about May. The entirety of that sequence was part of the dramatic tension of that scene. Peter storming out of the house and Ben trying to get him back was all a part of his death.

That really was a fantastic scene.
 
That really was a fantastic scene.

oh I'm sure someone's gotta have a problem with it, just waiting on one of our acting school professors to chime in with how bad it was, or one of our GAF script doctors to tell us it wasn't well written.

or that "I laughed HARD you could hear me laughing all the way from the restrooms!!11" because that's awesome and mature, totally respectable.
 
He just bought a suit online with a texture like that? For what? From where? Do you know how hard it would be put all of the webbing lines and insignia onto a stretchy 'spandex' outfit?
Now I'm not saying that is some great fault with the movie, since this is always a funny part of any spider-man origin story, but I don't think it was handled here better than any other 'uhh, yeah so he just made the costume, don't think about it'-explanation.

Even though it's clearly less realistic, I'd like to think that Peter actually 'designed' his outfit to some degree and didn't just stamp a logo on a mass produced uniform.
I said this way back when, but this new suit is a lot more believable as it actually looks like a suit. The netting looks more appropriate/real, as does the material itself. It's definitely not inconceivable, as some aspects of the suit almost seem imperfect at times. Raimi's suit was always worried about wrinkling itself and things like that, for appearances sake, but here those wrinkles and material overlaps are what give it an almost homemade look. The fact that the gloves and boot for example actually look like gloves and boots, and so on. Kym Barret did an excellent job on it imo.
 
oh I'm sure someone's gotta have a problem with it, just waiting on one of our acting school professors to chime in with how bad it was, or one of our GAF script doctors to tell us it wasn't well written.

or that "I laughed HARD you could hear me laughing all the way from the restrooms!!11" because that's awesome and mature, totally respectable.

Thinking back on it, it may have been my favorite scene of the movie. Sheen was fucking awesome as Uncle Ben, his yelling at and lecturing Peter felt real, and Peter's comeback about his father was pitch perfect. I could see people complaining about Ben's actual death, since it was pretty abrupt, but they nailed the argument between those two.
 
Still didn't get to see this movie. Two of my friends kinda shrugged their shoulders at it.

Low expectations LOCKED IN for favorite fictional character's new movie. I really hope I can see it tomorrow.
 
Can we all at least agree that Raimi's "beginning" montages are better? I feel like Parker just GoogledBinged "spandex suits" and voila, he had a suit. The pace of his progression from Parker to Spider-Man was a little off/awkward.

The montage of peter at the docks were great. Loved them.
 
I very much disagree about Ben's death having no buildup. It happened right after that incredibly well written and acted argument when Peter forgot about May. The entirety of that sequence was part of the dramatic tension of that scene. Peter storming out of the house and Ben trying to get him back was all a part of his death.

It was done realistically. When people die it's not always some big dramatic Hollywood moment. He got shot while trying to protect other people. The death itself just happened, just like it normally would (I suppose, I don't have any personal experience with this). What made it great was that it happened after the fight that broke out at home, which IMO made it even more painful and emotional.

It might have had more to do with the scene not being much of a departure from the origin story as it's traditionally told. As soon as the fight started I was like, "Welp, he's about to die."

I also thought that argument was a piss-poor moment for Ben to launch into a big speech about what Peter's father would have done. Peter forgetting to pick up his (still very capable) Aunt May that one time seemed like an insufficient moment to launch into a barely-relevant lecture about how Peter's dad believed in doing good deeds for everyone (although this moment is partially saved by Peter himself calling Ben out on that).

A fight of that severity needed a much bigger springboard, in my opinion. Instead it just felt tacked on - as though they knew the audience would know what's going to happen here and why it had such a lasting effect on Peter, so let's just get through it.
 
er... did you miss the part about him being forgetful causing her to have to walk 12 blocks home, at night, by herself through a crummy part of the city? she could have been mugged or shot-- you know, exactly what happened to Ben.

I would have been pissed off at him too. And yeah, you knew it was going to happen because it was going to happen. Don't really think there's a way that they could have made it surprising or shocking or something. What's important to me was that it was well done and made me care. The first Raimi film assumed I would care. This one made me. Granted, that one wasn't bad at all, in fact it was quite good, but I like both.
 
er... did you miss the part about him being forgetful causing her to have to walk 12 blocks home, at night, by herself through a crummy part of the city? she could have been mugged or shot-- you know, exactly what happened to Ben.

I would have been pissed off at him too. And yeah, you knew it was going to happen because it was going to happen. Don't really think there's a way that they could have made it surprising or shocking or something. What's important to me was that it was well done and made me care. The first Raimi film assumed I would care. This one made me. Granted, that one wasn't bad at all, in fact it was quite good, but I like both.

Ben got shot because he tried to take some guy's gun for some reason. The robber probably thought "oh shit, this crazy old homeless guy is trying to kill me."
 
Ben got shot because he tried to take some guy's gun for some reason.

Sure it was a gamble and Ben probably should have minded his business but I get that he was trying to do the right thing. He was out there looking for Peter, knowing Peter was out there somewhere and here's some dude with a brandished firearm. Some protective instincts probably kicked in which made it all the more emotional IMO.
 
So anyone remember the scene in Spider-man 2 where Peter talks to Uncle Ben in his Heaven mobile on whether or not to be Spidey any more?

Because I can't take it seriously anymore.
 
So anyone remember the scene in Spider-man 2 where Peter talks to Uncle Ben in his Heaven mobile on whether or not to be Spidey any more?

Because I can't take it seriously anymore.

I liked that scene but it felt too staged, like I could see stage lights glaring in on the car. The idea of it was okay, the execution not so much. And it was probably Tobey's worst acting scene in the second one.
 
er... did you miss the part about him being forgetful causing her to have to walk 12 blocks home, at night, by herself through a crummy part of the city? she could have been mugged or shot-- you know, exactly what happened to Ben.

I would have been pissed off at him too. And yeah, you knew it was going to happen because it was going to happen. Don't really think there's a way that they could have made it surprising or shocking or something. What's important to me was that it was well done and made me care. The first Raimi film assumed I would care. This one made me. Granted, that one wasn't bad at all, in fact it was quite good, but I like both.

But we're also led to believe that Peter Parker has been nothing but a good, responsible kid up to this point.

So I just thought it was a bit flimsy to use this one moment as the time for Ben to fly off the handle, even evoking his father as a morality tool (ignoring the fact that his father pretty much abandoned him with them years ago and so bringing him up as a means to chastise is a fucked-up thing to do no matter what the reason). Total dick move on his part. It just felt like an over-the-top response to me.

I feel that Spider-Man 1 handled it a lot better. By the time Peter and Ben had "The Fight" tension had already been slowly building between them. It made the actual fight feel a long time coming, which makes Ben's death all the more heart-wrenching for Peter because you realize how trivial it had all been.
 
So anyone remember the scene in Spider-man 2 where Peter talks to Uncle Ben in his Heaven mobile on whether or not to be Spidey any more?

Because I can't take it seriously anymore.
Gah I remember that. I still think the worst part of SM2 is the whole "boohoo I don't wanna be spidey anymore" arc. Mainly because him somehow losing his powers due to sheer force of will is such bullshit and a contradiction to the whole "this is my curse" bit if he can sort of 'turn it off'. But it was still fun to get that iconic trash can walkaway scene, and best of all JJJ getting his hands on it. :lol

But yeah, Ben making an appearance in every fucking movie seems to have been the worst elements in each (excluding 1 obviously).
 
I feel that Spider-Man 1 handled it a lot better. By the time Peter and Ben had "The Fight" tension had already been slowly building between them. It made the actual fight feel a long time coming, which makes Ben's death all the more heart-wrenching for Peter because you realize how trivial it had all been.
I disagree. It may have been more tense, but not as well executed. The 'with great power' line and 'who you'll grow up to be' stuff felt almost odd and simply necessary for future context, but in those moments you have to wonder from Ben's point wtf he was talking about.

The responsibility motif came across better in this imo, since it wasn't as much of 'who you'll become' as it was 'what you can do vs what you should do' i.e. responsibility.

If you really think about it, the way Ben yaps on about the man you'll be come in SM1 seemed more 'bitchy' and unjustified than this did. Both were still good in the context of the film, though.
 
Thinking back on it, it may have been my favorite scene of the movie. Sheen was fucking awesome as Uncle Ben, his yelling at and lecturing Peter felt real, and Peter's comeback about his father was pitch perfect. I could see people complaining about Ben's actual death, since it was pretty abrupt, but they nailed the argument between those two.

I felt like that was the point. Completely agreed about the argument beforehand.
 
Had the day off so I caught an early matinee, and just got back from seeing it. The action sequences were incredible thanks to the CG work, probably the most Spider-Man -like of any of the films so far, and I enjoyed the chemistry between Garfield/Stone more than Maguire/Dunst; but overall, I'd have to say it falls somewhere short of the first movie. All of the actors performed extremely well, but being a rebooted origin tale I couldn't escape the feeling that even with all of the changes this movie was thematically treading familiar ground. It even had its own groan-inducing "bridge scene" moment.

Right now I don't think I'd go see this one in theaters again, unless someone asked me to tag along.

Also, seeing the costume in motion on the big screen didn't make me dislike it any less. In closeups the basketball texture was impossible to ignore, and there's just something about the overall design coupled with Garfield's lankiness that didn't sit well.
 
Had the day off so I caught an early matinee, and just got back from seeing it. The action sequences were incredible thanks to the CG work, probably the most Spider-Man -like of any of the films so far, and I enjoyed the chemistry between Garfield/Stone more than Maguire/Dunst; but overall, I'd have to say it falls somewhere short of the first movie. All of the actors performed extremely well, but being a rebooted origin tale I couldn't escape the feeling that even with all of the changes this movie was thematically treading familiar ground. It even had its own groan-inducing "bridge scene" moment.

Right now I don't think I'd go see this one in theaters again, unless someone asked me to tag along.

Also, seeing the costume in motion on the big screen didn't make me dislike it any less. In closeups the basketball texture was impossible to ignore, and there's just something about the overall design coupled with Garfield's lankiness that didn't sit well.

I'd still say it's vastly superior to Marvel's soulless releases as of late. I would put it past Spider-Man 1 in many categories, the action direction being the primary one. Spider-Man 2 still remains the best entry in the series.
 
I kinda liked the suit in stills, but for some reason it looked kinda cheap in motion. More like someone cosplaying as Spider-Man than Spidey himself.
 
Also, seeing the costume in motion on the big screen didn't make me dislike it any less. In closeups the basketball texture was impossible to ignore, and there's just something about the overall design coupled with Garfield's lankiness that didn't sit well.
Awww hell naw.

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His figure is perfect imo. Don't make jett come in here and post the infamous side-by-side again. Most of the stills did look pretty bad, but the opposite is true in-action.

I kinda liked the suit in stills, but for some reason it looked kinda cheap in motion. More like someone cosplaying as Spider-Man than Spidey himself.
Isn't this a good thing? :p
 
I liked that scene but it felt too staged, like I could see stage lights glaring in on the car. The idea of it was okay, the execution not so much. And it was probably Tobey's worst acting scene in the second one.

Honestly Tobey was just a bad actor overall. His only strong performances were when he was being a geek.
 
I said this way back when, but this new suit is a lot more believable as it actually looks like a suit. The netting looks more appropriate/real, as does the material itself. It's definitely not inconceivable, as some aspects of the suit almost seem imperfect at times. Raimi's suit was always worried about wrinkling itself and things like that, for appearances sake, but here those wrinkles and material overlaps are what give it an almost homemade look. The fact that the gloves and boot for example actually look like gloves and boots, and so on. Kym Barret did an excellent job on it imo.
Oh I think the costume looked fine and yes more believable than most iterations. I just didn't think the 'how he got the costume' was handled any better than any other Spidey origin.
 
Honestly Tobey was just a bad actor overall. His only strong performances were when he was being a geek.

I liked him a lot, in roles like this I look for charm and relatability <--probably not a word but fuck it. He wasn't that great in emotional scenes but I liked his confession to Aunt May quite a bit.

He made me like his Peter Parker, Garfield did too but in a different kinda way.
 
Awww hell naw.

His figure is perfect imo. Don't make jett come in here and post the infamous side-by-side again. Most of the stills did look pretty bad, but the opposite is true in-action.
Not what I was saying AT ALL. His lankiness was fine. His lankiness COMBINED with the lines and cut of the new suit I had a problem with. The suit did not flatter his physique, and they should have stuck closer to the original design, which is arguably THE best designed superhero costume ever.
 
Gah I remember that. I still think the worst part of SM2 is the whole "boohoo I don't wanna be spidey anymore" arc. Mainly because him somehow losing his powers due to sheer force of will is such bullshit and a contradiction to the whole "this is my curse" bit if he can sort of 'turn it off'.

No, not at all. He didn't "turn them off," he literally was suffering from depression and psychological blocks.

Of all the elements of the story, that one actually made sense. People in real life are LITERALLY crippled by depression and similar ailments. I mean actually crippled that they can barely move.

Spider-powers, now that he's had them a while, are integrated into who he is, so it makes perfect sense they'd be affected by his mind. You can accept that when he gets angrier and cuts loose he can do far more damage, right? Then you can accept that when he's psychologically weak he can barely muster any strength.
 
Took my son to watch this today so i had to see it in spanish and still fucking loved it, mainly thanks to the Gwen/Paker chemistry, it was just reslly nice and believable, the were really nice together. I never read any comics so i thought the lizard was awesome, way cooler visually than the goblin, sandman and Doc Oc which i found really boring.

Unlike the original trilogy i felt this movie was way more emotional, perhaps thanks to Garfileds superior acting skills, it was really moving in some parts, really loved the movie overall and i can't wait to see it again tomorrow with my wife, in english this time.

Also,please stay away from the same characters in the old trilogy, i want to se new enemies with cool special effects not silly men in costumes.
 
oh I'm sure someone's gotta have a problem with it, just waiting on one of our acting school professors to chime in with how bad it was, or one of our GAF script doctors to tell us it wasn't well written.

or that "I laughed HARD you could hear me laughing all the way from the restrooms!!11" because that's awesome and mature, totally respectable.
I didn't have as much of an issue with how it was put together as I did with just the whole sameness of it. The film could have taken a left turn and had something different happen, but this part was The Most similar thing about this to SM1 that it was just kind of groan worthy to sit through beat for beat. I don't think the random thug guy being the most generic cheesy bad dude buying beer helped. That could have had more thought behind it, by itself. Right from when you look at the him, you're just waiting for Ben to get blasted by this lame dude. Even less surprise to an already expected event.

I know it's part of his character to have a tragedy drive his evolution, but this should have beEn the part that set the film apart the most and ultimately I think it is what leads most people to say this film is mostly a retread (I'm not even one of those people! It's just very apparent where that comes from starts here).
 
I didn't have as much of an issue with how it was put together as I did with just the whole sameness of it. The film could have taken a left turn and had something different happen, but this part was The Most similar thing about this to SM1 that it was just kind of groan worthy to sit through beat for beat. I don't think the random thug guy being the most generic cheesy bad dude buying beer helped. That could have had more thought behind it, by itself. Right from when you look at the him, you're just waiting for Ben to get blasted by this lame dude. Even less surprise to an already expected event.

I know it's part of his character to have a tragedy drive his evolution, but this should have beEn the part that set the film apart the most and ultimately I think it is what leads most people to say this film is mostly a retread (I'm not even one of those people! It's just very apparent where that comes from starts here).

I just don't feel that way toward it. I knew it was going to happen and I knew that some thief was going to do it. If it were directed badly or acted badly I would have been upset. In the long run I felt the tone and execution and buildup were so vastly different that it didn't give me a sense of deja vu.

I suppose the difference is that I'm okay with seeing some of these events again. It doesn't phase me especially considering that I didn't feel that these movies felt alike in any way apart from some very basic events.
 
No, not at all. He didn't "turn them off," he literally was suffering from depression and psychological blocks.

Of all the elements of the story, that one actually made sense. People in real life are LITERALLY crippled by depression and similar ailments. I mean actually crippled that they can barely move.

Spider-powers, now that he's had them a while, are integrated into who he is, so it makes perfect sense they'd be affected by his mind. You can accept that when he gets angrier and cuts loose he can do far more damage, right? Then you can accept that when he's psychologically weak he can barely muster any strength.
He wasn't that depressed. And you make it sound like his powers slowly dissipated as his depression worsened, but it was literally one second him swinging and the next falling. Then a him making a funny in the elevator. Hardly was it due to sever depression, or at least it never came across as such.

Not to mention that by your logic, shouldn't he be powerful again in the 'raindrops keep falling on my head' scene? He was as happy as ever and yet literally became weak and had worse eyesight.

Like I said, that whole arc was the worst aspect of SM2, not to mention totally not in the source material. iirc He was depressed so he quit, versus his depression making him lose his powers subsequently making him quit. :p
 
Got back from it a while ago and I feel a lot like what most of you guys do, ambivalent. The movie was just plus and minus all the way through. I'm not going to get into specifics since a lot of it was already mentioned.

I didn't like the whole parents angle, it was awkward and disjointed. It's clear that it was left on the editing room floor. Further, The Lizard was not a good villain and there wasn't really much conflict there TBH. That's a problem that goes all the way back to the source material, as The Lizard isn't quite the villain a Venom or a Green Goblin are to Spider-Man.

That's also a problem I'm going to have with any villain that isn't Venom or Goblin, those two are so good and just SO menacing to both Peter Parker and Spider-Man that most other villains just can't measure up to the level of conflict they offer. I was initially disappointed to have the whole Norman Osborne angle again as I'd rather see like, Mysterio, but it'd be just another two bit costumed clown.

Back to the movie itself, I just felt as if everything was so undercooked. Captain Stacy wasn't developed at all, Connors wasn't much, and Gwen Stacy isn't supposed to like PP off the bat like she did, right? Maybe I'm crazy for comparing it to the source material so closely.

The crane scene was horrible. I think the worst I've seen in any comic book movie.
 
Ok, the marketing material released now should at least be changed to avoid misleading implications regarding Peter Parker's "fate" - in the trailer,
it talked about being ready to learn the secret of Peter Parker. It had the post credits scene and it included the deleted scene where Curt mocks Spider-Man by stating: "You think this was an accident?!"
whereas we know that the movie does nothing to resolve any of
Peter Parker's origin mystery and it's connection to his parents!

False advertising man! !_!

Also, if this was discussed before then I apologize. I know there has been discussion about the prior trailers and what was cut from them but this trailer that just aired was essentially wrong in the plot points it was trying to hype!
 
Then which would you say is?!

I slightly defended this the other day, only from the standpoint of I understand and appreciate why they have scenes of this nature in a Spider-Man film.

Spider-Man 1 and Dark Knight both had comparable scenes done worse, imo.

I really don't want to go nuts defending it to be honest with you. I just wasn't bothered by it nearly as much as most people.
 
Ok, the marketing material released now should at least be changed to avoid misleading implications regarding Peter Parker's "fate" - in the trailer,
it talked about being ready to learn the secret of Peter Parker. It had the post credits scene and it included the deleted scene where Curt mocks Spider-Man by stating: "You think this was an accident?!"
whereas we know that the movie does nothing to resolve any of
Peter Parker's origin mystery and it's connection to his parents!

False advertising man! !_!

Also, if this was discussed before then I apologize. I know there has been discussion about the prior trailers and what was cut from them but this trailer that just aired was essentially wrong in the plot points it was trying to hype!
From the distinctly different origins (potentially intentional vs accidental) to the realistic swinging making up a large part of the movie, even the first person swinging, all the marketing sold a different kind of Spiderman movie than what was presented.
 
Just saw the film, I didn't hate it. I didn't love it. I blame Sony not having the budget to afford ILM cgi and instead went with Sony India B team CGI. Loved Emma Stone tho
 
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