Is... is this what you think prostitutes dress like?But the burning question: why is it so important that a bunch of ugly dudes are allowed to dress up as prostitutes and read to kids?
Even God queen Sasha Gray dressed with some class when doing it ffs.
It's just a fun thing for kids to do, they like it, because Drag Queens are essentially living cartoon characters.Here are the questions nobody is asking about the artform of sexualized caricatures of women reading to children...
Why does it have to happen? Why do you want it to happen? And why do you think you have a right to everyone else's children with supporting and arguing for it?
or you could, you know, just hire colorful characters to read/entertain kids that are not trying to push some agenda or change their sexualities/genders etc. And you hand picked the nicer dressed ones, I've seen videos of some shoving their crotch in 5 year olds faces while lip syncing Cardi B songs, so spare me.Is... is this what you think prostitutes dress like?
The whole point is that it's campy and colorful and silly, that's why kids like it. It's not "important" it's just a fun thing thing that kids like.
Cartoon character costumes are essentially living cartoon characters.It's just a fun thing for kids to do, they like it, because Drag Queens are essentially living cartoon characters.
No one is making anyone else's kids do anything. You're the one who seems to be saying it shouldn't be allowed, so the burden is on you to say why.
Drag Queens aren't trying to change genders, dude. They're not trans. And there's nothing vaguely sexual about these events they're literally at public libraries.or you could, you know, just hire colorful characters to read/entertain kids that are not trying to push some agenda or change their sexualities/genders etc.
I didn't, I googled "Drag Queen Story Hour" and shared the first pictures I saw.And you hand picked the nicer dressed ones
What the fuck videos are you watching? This has never happened at a fucking Drag Queen Story Hour event, ever.I've seen videos of some shoving their crotch in 5 year olds faces while lip syncing Cardi B songs, so spare me.
What do you feel is being "indoctrinated" in this context of children's performance, other than it's okay for people to dress silly?Cartoon costumes are essentially living cartoon characters.
And you said it, men dressing in drag are cartoon characters of women.
Oh the horror, I don't think a subculture that is 99% overly sexualized men in dress up clowning on women strippers, should be indoctrinated to 5 yearolds. The horror!
Drag is a sexualized adult lifestyle. There is no other reason to invite them to read to 5 years old's, other than to "plant seeds." The end. Teachers can read a book to their students.What do you feel is being "indoctrinated" in this context of children's performance, other than it's okay for people to dress silly?
And is "indoctrination" in general really your issue? I imagine you indoctrinate your children with whatever values and morals you like, right?
The reason is just that kids respond to it.Drag is a sexualized adult lifestyle. There is no other reason to invite them to read to 5 years old's, other than to "plant seeds."
They can but it's not as exciting as someone who is very colorful and theatrical and who is a professional performer.The end. Teachers can read a book to their students.
No the fuck I am not. I am responding to someone who was specifically talking about a Drag Queens reading to children in libraries.
Again, you need to go back and read the post I was responding to, and the context of that comment. It was.specifically about the G-rated children's entertainment that they do in parks and libraries, which is very much a thing that exists.
The reason is just that kids respond to it.
And we were all called tinfoilers when we mentioned "slippery slopes" to what we have today.
A decade ago this caused outrage.
And we were all called tinfoilers when we mentioned "slippery slopes" to what we have today.
What that means is that I'm describing a context with no sexualization or apparent harm to children, and yet it's still being equivocated as such.I stand by the second one where I did quote you.
You said "People love to posture that it's about sexual content or whatever but then when pressed that's always a lie". I accused you of peddling in absolutes, which is exactly what this is. It's also, in itself, false.
A decade ago this caused outrage.
That's his point. People were outraged back when it happened, but we are not allowed to push back on the blatant pushing of an agenda in current year.I imagine that the children were not particularly familiar with her work, nor does it seem to be getting promoted in any way.
So I have a question about that. What value is added for the child if the person who is reading the story is dressed in drag? What is the purpose of it in relationship to the activity?We're not talking about sexual content, we're talking about reading stories to children in libraries.
Do you realize how dishonest your arguments are or can you literally not see a drag queen in any context without thinking about sex? That might be a you problem.
What? Why?
People love to posture that it's about sexual content or whatever but then when pressed that's always a lie, it's just queerness in general they have an issue with even when it's totally G-rated.
Like it's literally people dressed up silly reading books to kids, how is this an issue?
Now you know why collectivism is a thing. It's to take away all context and nuance.Jesus Christ, drag queens are men that derive sexual pleasure from dressing up as an exaggerated version of a woman, do suggestive dances and perform sexual comedy. OF COURSE THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR A CHILD.
Jesus F Christ, it's like people see that stupid multicolored flag and their brain just falls off their cranium.
Um, no?Jesus Christ, drag queens are men that derive sexual pleasure from dressing up as an exaggerated version of a woman,
But they aren't doing that, they're reading storybooks.do suggestive dances and perform sexual comedy. OF COURSE THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE FOR A CHILD.
Or like they see one and they can't stop thinking about sex...Jesus F Christ, it's like people see that stupid multicolored flag and their brain just falls off their cranium.
I think I've answered that, they're just colorful and silly and funny and wear a lot of makeup. It's like halfway between a clown and storybook princess. What little girl wouldn't respond to that?So I have a question about that. What value is added for the child if the person who is reading the story is dressed in drag? What is the purpose of it in relationship to the activity?
Again, it's not about filling a gap, or that they HAVE TO BE anything, it's just a thing that kids like that is perfectly harmless.That person can just as easily show up and read to kids without dressing up in drag. The kids would receive exactly the same interaction and hear exactly the same story regardless of how the reader is dressed. That's what specifically makes the fact that they're drag queens become the issue, because that's the thing the people doing the reading have chosen to emphasize. It's a way to make it about being in drag when reading to children, not just about reading to children. Lots of people who aren't dressed in drag regularly read to kids, so it's not like there was a huge gap in education or childhood interaction that nobody was willing to fill.
Again, this isn't about night club drag shows. Drag performers do all kinds of shows, including some that are perfectly appropriate for kids.Drag shows, while fun, are typically sexually charged and filled with profanity and all sorts of innuendo.
Yeah, and that's bad parenting and shouldn't happen. Typically children are not allowed in such shows.That's what makes them fun adult entertainment. Now we see drag shows being held for children in bars where performers are performing sexually suggestive dances for children and children are being encouraged to tip them. The video is out there so there is no denying that it has happened.
exactly. For kids, these are just fun people who are not so stiff like other adults probablyIs... is this what you think prostitutes dress like?
The whole point is that it's campy and colorful and silly, that's why kids like it. It's not "important" it's just a fun thing thing that kids like.
This is where I land on the issue as well. It would be nice to see both sides of this debate embracing nuance and not minimizing what they feel is inconvenient to their argument. Anyone who reads to kids or performs in front of kids has the potential to be perfectly appropriate or wildly inappropriate, and I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of each.I hope we can agree that there's never black and white, and lots of shades in the middle.
Yes, some drag queens are performing in sexual getups that are not fit for children, and I think that's wrong. And also yes, some drag queens do storybook hours for kids which they are dressed in colorful fun outfits, basically clowns with a lot of makeup, and some of them even calls themselves that way, i.e Bianca Del Rio. And I think that's totally fine.
Is... is this what you think prostitutes dress like?
The whole point is that it's campy and colorful and silly, that's why kids like it. It's not "important" it's just a fun thing thing that kids like.
This is where I land on the issue as well. It would be nice to see both sides of this debate embracing nuance and not minimizing what they feel is inconvenient to their argument. Anyone who reads to kids or performs in front of kids has the potential to be perfectly appropriate or wildly inappropriate, and I'm sure you can find plenty of examples of each.
Or just use common sense and be skeptical of any grown man that wants to spend time with other people's children?
Obviously most drag queens aren't pedophiles but red flags better be going up if you see adult males taking positions to be near kids.
All this kumbaya stuff sounds great on the internet but your position will change if anything happened to your kid.
Um, no?
But they aren't doing that, they're reading storybooks.
Or like they see one and they can't stop thinking about sex...
You mean like... teachers? Gym coaches? Kids nurses? Clowns? Balloon Entertainers?
You gonna go after Mr. Rogers and the Wiggles next?
Look, it's obvious that it's to groom them into normalizing sexual behaviour, anyone can see it. If it was about reading them books, they wouldn't be dressed up in their fetish clothing, they want the children exposed to it. As for the flag, you don't even make sense here, that stupid flag is all about their sexuality and gender, that's what those colors represent.
Notice how you don't present an argument as to why people in fetish clothing should be interacting with children and instead just go with simply emotional responses? It's because you can't, and yet you continue to defend the behaviour. Why? Simple, because you see that dumb flag and immediately go "Everything LGBTQ+ does must be defended", with no prior criteria, morality or principles. Your ideology has melted your brain.
.What kind of jobs do you think pedophiles gravitate to?
Do I really need to say "Obviously not all male teachers are pedophiles"?
For every gaudy dress (which they started to wear after the initial criticism in full on drag stripper wear), there are pictures of one's provocative and downright hellish/occult looking. We are just not stooping to cherry picking photos level.If you're calling those gaudy old fashioned dresses "fetish clothing" then maybe YOUR ideology has melted YOUR brain.
Because that isnt fetish clothing and it won't send sexual thoughts to any kids at all.
For every gaudy dress (which they started to wear after the initial criticism in full on drag stripper wear), there are pictures of one's provocative and downright hellish/occult looking. We are just not stooping to cherry picking photos level.
Hell, one showed up to a reading in a hooker skirt and no underwear and the kids sitting got full view of his twigs and berries.... he was also a registered sex offender.
That's the issue, people are so lost in the ideological sauce, they don't do their due diligence. Like, you know, doing background checks for grown men wanting to read to children dressed in their fetish wear. When the virtue is so strong, you let all the normal safely checks slip through the cracks.Well that is something I have a problem with of course. But call that out when it happens. Its obviously not inherent to drag, a woman could wear inappropriate dress to these things as well and it would still be a problem.
That's an issue with the school and who they allowed to perform in that outfit. That doesnt mean the entire program is intended for, or features that.
If you're calling those gaudy old fashioned dresses "fetish clothing" then maybe YOUR ideology has melted YOUR brain.
Because that isnt fetish clothing and it won't send sexual thoughts to any kids at all.
Literally straight out of the music video for Amish paradise where thr kids are looking at a "porn" msg of a lady showing shins
Aye M8, sexualised adult lifestyle..Drag is a sexualized adult lifestyle. There is no other reason to invite them to read to 5 years old's, other than to "plant seeds." The end. Teachers can read a book to their students.
You yourself said that its best to be skeptical of any man who wants a job around children, I'm just taking you to task on that. Because we let pass by a whole lot of jobs that cater to children and are filled by adults, because duh.
No kinks.Aye M8, sexualised adult lifestyle..
Good question. Genuinely curious, but do these drag queens go to nursing homes to stimulate and excite the elderly?Answer me something, why do these people target children? It's not about reading books, otherwise they would be there without the fetish clothes. Just answer me that.
Fuck sakes do you even have children?Answer me something, why do these people target children? It's not about reading books, otherwise they would be there without the fetish clothes. Just answer me that.
Fuck sakes do you even have children?
I'm pretty sure "Drag Queen Story Hour" is not a thing for the elderly. Strippers on the other hand...Good question. Genuinely curious, but do these drag queens go to nursing homes to stimulate and excite the elderly?
Wait are we sharing our first crushes now?Aye M8, sexualised adult lifestyle..
It's not a fetish, dude, drag performance is just entertainment. It's for fun. You sound like a crazy person.Look, it's obvious that it's to groom them into normalizing sexual behaviour, anyone can see it. If it was about reading them books, they wouldn't be dressed up in their fetish clothing, they want the children exposed to it. As for the flag, you don't even make sense here, that stupid flag is all about their sexuality and gender, that's what those colors represent.
Notice how you don't present an argument as to why people in fetish clothing should be interacting with children and instead just go with simply emotional responses? It's because you can't, and yet you continue to defend the behaviour. Why? Simple, because you see that dumb flag and immediately go "Everything LGBTQ+ does must be defended", with no prior criteria, morality or principles. Your ideology has melted your brain.
That's the issue, people are so lost in the ideological sauce, they don't do their due diligence. Like, you know, doing background checks for grown men wanting to read to children dressed in their fetish wear. When the virtue is so strong, you let all the normal safely checks slip through the cracks.
Once again, there is no logical reason that has been explained why drag queens need to read to children, and that this needs to be a thing where they even call it "Drag Queen Story Hour." You can have an author of the kid's book or a teacher do it. They can even wear a character Halloween outfit if they like.
Lol. You know you've hit rock bottom in an argument when you get to the "won't someone think of the children?" phase. What does any of this shit have to do with games, Limited Run Games, or the woman who was fired by them?
It's not a fetish, dude, it's just entertainment. You sound like a crazy person.