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BoobPhysics101
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FT86 = joy to drive through corners. A WRX is a fat, sloppy SUV in comparison. WRXs have crappy handling unless you upgrade tons of suspension bits to balance it out, put better tires on, etc. STI is better, but still isn't going to be as fun to drive as an FT86. STI is fun to drive in a straight line (AFTER MODS), but even then they are not really that exciting. WRX/STI does not even compare in terms of being a true sports ca
FT86 is a tight, experienced pussy that feels mindblowing and makes you want to cum 2 minutes in, but you refuse to because it just feels so damn good and you don't want the ride to stop.
WRX/STI is a sloppy, fat pussy that you can pound the shit out of but never comes close providing the same feeling of pleasure or ecstasy, and you have to force yourself to climax with.
ClassyPenguin
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Old people buy cars, car enthusiasts argue on message forums.
shinshoryuken
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Well like I said...where did you find it?
I had a 6 speed GTS and I never realize it was that bad of a mpg....23mpg!!
I never meant to compare the performance...just wanted to butt-in with the mpg thing..
on my GT-R it shows that I am getting 22mpg .....that cant be right......I my mind is blown!!
now it makes me wonder what my other car mpg is...
THE:MILKMAN
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Question about the Scion/GT86. Does the $25k price include all taxes over there?
If it does you are getting a damn bargain because the GT86 here in the UK starts at $39.5k doing a straight conversion!
Even taking off the 20% VAT and the "on the road" charges we have here, it still costs $31.5k.
I would really love to have one but it is now way out of my reach
If it does you are getting a damn bargain because the GT86 here in the UK starts at $39.5k doing a straight conversion!
Even taking off the 20% VAT and the "on the road" charges we have here, it still costs $31.5k.
I would really love to have one but it is now way out of my reach
GTP_Daverytimes
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I don't believe it (well you don't believe it too, lol), the GTR is a gas guzzler.
shinshoryuken
Member
Well thats what the head unit says...I don't think its a gas guzzler. I think it takes less gas than an SUV.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Forums user "LowEndTorque" does not enjoy high-strung, average powered engines. I am stunned.
hilarious.
My friends dad owns this and yes it's real:
E34 M5 Touring <3
This dude did a full conversion, so hot (hopefully pics show up)
ClassyPenguin
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I love those high powered wagons.
LowEndTorque
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Even if the handling is as good as you describe that still doesn't compensate for 151 lb/ft at 6K rpm IMO. Even with the power to
weight ratio factored in, your average full sized family sedan with a 6 would still have way better acceleration than this "sports car." hell, even a Jetta TDI would probably smoke it in the acceleration department.
Lol
And on that subject, it looks like the 86 doesn't have any low end torque. You pretty much have to redline it just to get a measly 151 lb/ft out of it.
Compared to what? The FR-S with it's econobox motor? Sports Cars are complete packages, and the 86 is not with 200hp and 151ftlb.
Can't wait for the test results of the 86, there's going to be a lot of butthurt going around.
That probably depends on gearing. This car probably will have much more aggressive gearing than a family sedan.
A V6 camry will probably beat it in a straight line. Do I give a shit? No.
LowEndTorque
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Just did a quick search. The official 0-60 time I found for the 86 was 6.9 sec.
By comparison:
Altima V6: 5.9 sec
Camry V6: 6.1 sec
Oh well, at least the 86 beats the Jetta TDI
Edit: nvm. It's 6.9.
By comparison:
Altima V6: 5.9 sec
Camry V6: 6.1 sec
Oh well, at least the 86 beats the Jetta TDI
Edit: nvm. It's 6.9.
Just did a quick search. The official 0-60 time I found for the 86 was 6.9 sec.
By comparison:
Altima V6: 5.9 sec
Camry V6: 6.1 sec
Oh well, at least the 86 beats the Jetta TDI
Bu bu but it's all about the handling!*
95% of people will never even take it to the track.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Just did a quick search. The official 0-60 time I found for the 86 was 6.9 sec.
By comparison:
Altima V6: 5.9 sec
Camry V6: 6.1 sec
Oh well, at least the 86 beats the Jetta TDI
Edit: looks like I dun goofed. I think it's 5.9 for the 86. Driving around right now and on my phone so it's a bit hard to use the internets atm. Someone else might want to double check.
It's 6.9 and 7.1 is what I've seen. Not in a million years will the car hit 60 in under 6 seconds.
shinshoryuken
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Definitely agree....I don't hate the gt86 but just expected more.
And wow 0 to 60 in 6.9....not too great.
Here is a Pulitzer winning journalist Dan Neil and his short take on the BRZ. Disappointingly short take.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cwo9FesUzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cwo9FesUzo
You have a GT-R?
He only brings it up every chance he gets!
shinshoryuken
Member
Oh really?!!
If I did how come he didn't know I had one? If I brought it up all the time...haters going to hate...
I hardly brought it up. Last time I brought it up is when someone tried to think they know what there talking about concerning the gt-r without actually driving one.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Post pics of GTR.
BoobPhysics101
Banned
I have seen you bring it up 3-4 times in the last month or so.
shinshoryuken
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wow....
I haven't posted in months...LOL
and who cares? haters going to hate...
HAHAHAH you're the one thats was arguing with me about the NSX and GT-R...and told me I was lame because I used real life example...HAHAHA
the only reason why I brought up I had a GT-R is because of this..
pics of the GT-R is on page 23 and 24.
well here's one
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BoobPhysics101
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Even if the handling is as good as you describe that still doesn't compensate for 151 lb/ft at 6K rpm IMO. Even with the power to
weight ratio factored in, your average full sized family sedan with a 6 would still have way better acceleration than this "sports car." hell, even a Jetta TDI would probably smoke it in the acceleration department.
Lol
And on that subject, it looks like the 86 doesn't have any low end torque. You pretty much have to redline it just to get a measly 151 lb/ft out of it.
I guess you're not really familiar with how the power band on that car (and similar cars like S2000's) are. Or any cars Physics time...
Just because a car makes PEAK torque at a certain RPM does not mean that the build up to peak torque @ that RPM is LINEAR. In other words, engines like the GT86's will make around 85-90% of their peak torque at around 2500-3000 RPM. Check it out:
The torque curve is relatively flat. Plus, it is not about LowEndTorque. It is also about gearing; remember that gearing affects the actual torque output to the ground.
I say this teasingly, but this makes your username seem very ironic. Thy ignorance must be dispelled, good sir.
Meh. S2000's spank STI's on the track all day and they ONLY have 240 bhp and 151/163 ft-lb of torque. Torque is not everything. Neither is power. Low weight, amazing suspension and chassis design go a long, long ways.
Then shut up about it if no one cares, si?
318 iSes are awesome, super fun cars though. GTR R35 is a boring-ass car that does everything for you. It substitutes skill with electronic wizardry. Zzzzz.
I am so ready to grab up an S50/S52 swapped 318 iS. God DAMN those cars are beast! And so sexy. Post pics of your 318iS!
shinshoryuken
Member
WTF..."break it lose, slide it around"...um...regardless of horsepower....you shouldn't be doing that on the street anyways...
Alright, but I don't want you guys to think less of me because of how beast this thing is.
Aw yeah 1997 5-speed with 192k miles.
Yes that's the only picture I have of it. Yes it's being towed home.
LowEndTorque
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I say this teasingly, but this makes your username seem very ironic. Thy ignorance must be dispelled, good sir.
meh.
The LowEndTorque post was a tongue-in-cheek comment that was poking fun at fact that the peak torque for that car is weak (regardless of the powerband, which is a concept I’m familiar with btw, albeit not for that particular car), but cool. Thanks anyways
Giant Robot
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Link please...
BoobPhysics101
Banned
meh.
The LowEndTorque post was a tongue-in-cheek comment that was poking fun at fact that the peak torque for that car is weak (regardless of the powerband, which is a concept Im familiar with btw, albeit not for that particular car), but cool. Thanks anyways
Then why would you post this "And on that subject, it looks like the 86 doesn't have any low end torque. You pretty much have to redline it just to get a measly 151 lb/ft out of it" when that isn't true? Anyone that understands engines, torque bands, and especially small displacement engines could've figured that one out.
And again: gearing. Low weight. Car doesn't need gobs of torque. Gobs of torque feels awesome and makes city driving great, but it's not necessary for spirited driving and track usage.
Hell naw. I want a chance to buy this shit next week if no one else does. :lol:
David Incorporated Esq.
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Who cares about the track? The car that was the most fun for me to drive was my old beat up 924S with about 120whp (on a good day), and that was only a few hundred pounds lighter than the 86. The 911 was fun too, but in a more exhilarating "oh god oh god oh god" kind of way opposed to the "grin on your face all day" that the 924 was.
If there's a curvy, forested road near you the 86 will be a car you'll love. But I'm very much in the "it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow" camp.
What the hell is this?! Get out of this thread!
(You don't have to go crazy DORIFTUUUUUUUUUUU to kick the rear end out a little bit and have fun.)
LowEndTorque
Member
Because it kinda is true.
151 @ peak = it barely has any torque period. (at the low OR high end). Surprised you still didn't get the joke/troll even after I told you it was tongue-in-cheek.
If the 6.9 time that's been reported so far is accurate, this car gets out-accelerated by a camry.
A CAMRY.
Which is what I was assuming we've been discussing the merits of all along. City driving. For people looking at buying this car as a daily driver, power and torque are more useful (and fun) than the ability to carve through twisties. The track is another story, but I didn't realize that is the context of the discussion about this car in this thread.
No way! A car with a V6 is quicker than a car with a flat-4?
David Incorporated Esq.
Member
My ex-wife's Chevy Malibu would beat my old 924S in a straight line. Guess which one I'd rather drive, both as a daily driver and for fun.
I think people have kind of lost touch with what makes cars fun, everything is power Power POWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER nowadays. Stop ruining my life, Jeremy Clarkson!
LowEndTorque
Member
Crazy ain't it? The world's most boring full-size family sedan accelerates faster than this sick new sports car that's coming out soon.
Oh come on, you don't find beastly whiplash-inducing power to be fun? (not talking about your ex's Malibu lol) And the love of powah isn't some recent thing where people have lost touch with the past nor is it Jeremy Clarkson's fault. It definitely wasn't the handling that made American muscle cars so popular back in the day.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
wow....
I haven't posted in months...LOL
and who cares? haters going to hate...
pics of the GT-R is on page 23 and 24.
well here's one
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HAHAHAH you're the one thats was arguing with me about the NSX and GT-R...and told me I was lame because I used real life example...HAHAHA
the only reason why I brought up I had a GT-R is because of this..
Haha, I'd say you're right. If I forgot you owned a GT-R and I replied right after you posted pics of it and your NSX, then you don't talk about it that much. I talk about my 370Z way more often than you talk about the GT-R.
How do you like it? How many miles on it? Reliability issues? Any trips to the dealer?
I don't own any of them, but I would be hesitant to buy a Nissan that was made in Mexico...Buying Japanese cars that were built in the USA is fine though.
Therefore my answer would be either the Accord (USA) or the CC (Germany). Then, based on looks, the CC would win. The low end torque of the 2.0T is really good and I suggest you take a drive in it to see for yourself that the V6 isn't necessary.
For 35K, you can also get a made in Japan V6 Acura TSX, but it's not as nice inside or outside as the CC.
How can you tell where the particular Nissan you buy is manufactured? or are you saying that all the new Maximas are made in Mexico? Any articles citing concerns with their build quality? Thanks for the info.
According to wikipedia, Maximas are made in Tennessee.
I think I jumped the gun in my previous post. The new Maximas are built in the USA, so they should be fine. I think the older ones were made in Mexico or I just misremembered.
To see where a car is made, look at the first digit in the VIN. 1,2,4,5: USA, J: Japan, W: Germany, 3: Mexico, etc:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Identification_Number
Not trusting Wikipedia entry on where the Maxima is made entirely, I checked some Maxima VINs from Autotrader, and they start with a 1, which means they're made in the USA and Wikipedia is correct.
There are a whole bunch of BRZ reviews that dropped today with real world driving impressions. Motortrend, Automobile, Road and Track, Inside Line, Autoweek, etc...
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showpost.php?p=163651&postcount=1
Car should be measured 0-59 because it takes a shift from 2nd to 3rd to get to 60.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showpost.php?p=163651&postcount=1
Car should be measured 0-59 because it takes a shift from 2nd to 3rd to get to 60.
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