Well the hooves are not the main problem, the kamikaze flying leeches are. And the game is so goddamn dark on the Vita I can't see what's going on most of the time.
Maybe I'll try some challenges to unlock new weapons or something.
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Well the hooves are not the main problem, the kamikaze flying leeches are. And the game is so goddamn dark on the Vita I can't see what's going on most of the time.
Maybe I'll try some challenges to unlock new weapons or something.
SerTapTap
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Challenges (well, the not insane ones) are a good break from the main game. ...don't do the Darkness Falls one, it ends at Satan.
Sounds like the Vita version's gamma levels are a real problem, haven't really played enough on that to notice myself. Have they acknowledged that/the trophy bugs? Been a week or two with no updates
Sounds like the Vita version's gamma levels are a real problem, haven't really played enough on that to notice myself. Have they acknowledged that/the trophy bugs? Been a week or two with no updates
Veritigo_X
Member
I've been having issues with trophies on the PS4 version. I've beaten Mom's Heart 5 times (showing 5 x's on my save file), yet I didn't unlock the trophies for killing Mom's Heart 3 times or for killing Mom's Heart 5 times. I'm not usually one who cares about trophies or achievements but I'm loving this game and really want to 100% it.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Yep. When I was going up against him the other day I had no problem with his hooves. But I kept getting hit by the leeches that I couldn't see because the room was filled with particles and the army I was dragging with me.
So yeah, that one dice room rolled me IPECAC and that cross shot item. 
Also: no issues with the darkness on Vita, although I am using the 2000 instead of an OLED. My issue with the Vita version is that seeds don't seem to be working when it comes to unlocking
. I've done the first three steps with seeds and then the final step without seeds perfectly about 5 times by now.
Also: no issues with the darkness on Vita, although I am using the 2000 instead of an OLED. My issue with the Vita version is that seeds don't seem to be working when it comes to unlocking
The Lost
SerTapTap
Member
Playable but certainly not great. It's flawless on PS4, the Vita is just stuttery to make me not want to play it. However I do not do much portable gaming at all, but I know that being able to play on the go WOULD be really cool if I had the slightest ability to do that which I generally don't.
Also some people seem to notice the perf issues a ton less. I'm not one of them, I did a clean OS install on my PC because some games were stuttering.
There's lots of other great stuff on Vita though. While this is a fantastic game itself, it's hardly the best performing game on there
edit: note that I don't play on Vita primarily so others can probably give you a better impression
So yeah, that one dice room rolled me IPECAC and that cross shot item.
Also: no issues with the darkness on Vita, although I am using the 2000 instead of an OLED. My issue with the Vita version is that seeds don't seem to be working when it comes to unlocking. I've done the first three steps with seeds and then the final step without seeds perfectly about 5 times by now.The Lost
Why are you even doing Seeds past the first one? I've heard they're supposed to work, but I'd only risk it for the first one personally because 99% of the time you should be able to kill yourself with a bomb and if you're going for The Lost dying to mom's foot should be pretty easy. You're not the first I've heard to have trouble though, wonder if it's a bug.
Thanks. That's a bit disappointing to hear. I commute 50 minutes Monday to Friday, and it would have been awesome to get my Isaac fix with 2-3 runs on the bus.
Weird, I still haven't unlocked him.
Had an amazingly lucky run when I decided to play on Hard. Went with Isaac and somehow got a Loudout where I had Monstro's charge shot, toxic blast, flight, damage up, Krampus Head (Got that later), Lord of the Flies, AND I was immune to all projectiles...
Managed to bomb two angel rooms and later fought
Omega Satan
Omega God or Isaac?
MichaelFassbender
Member
Awwwwwwwwww yeah! Just got through The Chest for the first time! That Daddy Longlegs item is really useful, just stomps for days.
SerTapTap
Member
You have to beat The Heart a LOT of times.
I'm afraid to say (end boss spoilers)
Mega Satan is behind the door whether you're in The Chest or Dark Room
autoduelist
Member
I've put at least 60 hours into it on vita and love it to death.
I do not have the same issues Sire TapTap has -- I only see slowdown in major boss battles, especially with bosses that drop liquid pools. In fact, I'm pretty sure that is a direct cause of most of the slowdowns because i've had no perf issues in large rooms while having a huge bullet/fly output.... but put a spiderboss on the screen and it does slowdown.
The slowdown, when it does happen, is fluid and does not hurt my game whatsoever.
I think it's well worth picking up a vita for if you're already on the fence.
Worth noting, minor perf issues don't generally bother me. Over in the psn thread, there are several of us who think (barring the slowdown mentioned) that it plays perfectly, and a couple who are bothered to varying degrees by the performance.
I never take wings, as there are better/cheaper ways to get flight.
I take brimstone unless i'm already a machine gun with scythes or something.
I take the familiar that spits flies.
I take guppy pieces.
I take dark bum.
I don't take contracts unless i'm filthy in red hearts.
Basically, i take most things.
Okay, makes sense. It would be hard for the team to outdo that boss (Pure bullet hell boss).
(Cannon ending spoiler)
So I take it that the ending where Isaac runs away is the real ending?
SerTapTap
Member
I interpreted that ending a bit more...grimly. Thus far all of the "story" endings have been different points in time ,not alternatives. And given the ending from
Dark Room
Just going to say that TapTap's description is accurate. The game on Vita has micro stutters everywhere (compared to PC at least) and it slows down whenever things get too hectic (which they usually end up being when you get to the Womb and beyond).
Despite this, the Vita version is played way more than my PC copy.
Haha, I probably should've mentioned this but I've been doing just that (using the first seed) for a while too. I read somewhere that if the death doesn't register as negative win than it doesn't count, and none of the seed deaths I've been getting have been showing up.
Also I was using three seeds since I found really convenient seeds for them. Like an XL Basement for Maggie's requirement.
EDIT:
The stuttering for the most part is something you can get used to imo. The slowdown as well. The darkness issues people have been complaining about will probably make it difficult to play on the bus though.
Personally, I play the Vita version all the time on the train, and it is great.
Despite this, the Vita version is played way more than my PC copy.
Haha, I probably should've mentioned this but I've been doing just that (using the first seed) for a while too. I read somewhere that if the death doesn't register as negative win than it doesn't count, and none of the seed deaths I've been getting have been showing up.
Also I was using three seeds since I found really convenient seeds for them. Like an XL Basement for Maggie's requirement.
EDIT:
The stuttering for the most part is something you can get used to imo. The slowdown as well. The darkness issues people have been complaining about will probably make it difficult to play on the bus though.
Personally, I play the Vita version all the time on the train, and it is great.
autoduelist
Member
Still don't know what you're talking about with 'microstutters', but we had that conversation in the other thread. At least 60+ hours in, and I've never seen them. Honestly, I think a lot of it depends on the person - I know I'm not particularly sensitive to performance issues (or should i say, i'm forgiving of them) but in this case, I can't even see the issue.
EDIT -- i do agree it's definitely a bit too dark, especially during the curse that makes it even worse.
EDIT 2 -- on a bus? hmmm. depends on the lighting. just had 3 hours in a car with boi on vita, and if the sun was shining bright into the car it was very hard to play. However, as the sun went down it was fine. i wonder if tinted windows would help.
I also want to say that Maggie is my least favorite character at the moment. I always seem to have terrible runs with her. :/
Yeah, if there isn't much light then Hyunkel6 will probably be fine. And as I mentioned earlier, the gamma thing isn't an issue for me for some reason (probably because I'm not using the Vita OLED/1000) so Hyunkel6 might not have that issue either if he has a Vita 2000.
Yeah, if there isn't much light then Hyunkel6 will probably be fine. And as I mentioned earlier, the gamma thing isn't an issue for me for some reason (probably because I'm not using the Vita OLED/1000) so Hyunkel6 might not have that issue either if he has a Vita 2000.
SerTapTap
Member
Unless my health is under 4 hearts (soul/black included) I almost always take a good deal. It depends though. Anything that gives me more soul/black hearts takes higher priority if I have low health (sin up also raises black heart spawn rate).
Almost any damage up I get. Brimstone, Mom's Knife, for sure. Guppy items I get, Dead Cat I will only get if I'm already at 1 heart or 2, or if it's the final item to make me Guppy. Books? No. The Nail? Yes, unless I have something better or already pretty damn good at least (D6). Goat Head is meh, I'll take it for sure from a red chest, but I only take it if I'm swimming in red hearts as I get Devil Rooms reasonably often otherwise (hard mode probably makes this worth it).
Flying is great, but I rarely find it worth the 2 hearts all the devil flying items cost. Whore usually isn't worth it. I ignore most of the followers, but Sacrificial Dagger is fantastic and Lil Brimstone is alright if your own tears suck or just have shit range.I shrug at Judas' Shadow for now, no point in using it as I don't get credit for an unlock (shadow judas is a separate character with no unlocks, wooo). Gimpy I'll take if I have lots of hearts or other "drop pickup when you take damage" items or protective items like Wafer. It synergizes well with anything tanky basically.
Contract is an interesting one, if you reach the chest it is CRAZY friggin worth it. Double Trouble bosses go from meh to "please no", but IMO there are more easily handled combos than otherwise. I would immediately change my mind if I found a double trouble Gurdie Jr fight though, heh.
Veritigo_X
Member
Follow up to my trophy problem. Seems like I unlocked the trophy for beating Mom's Heart 5 times, but I never got the trophy for beating it 3 times. Is there any fix for this or am I basically screwed? Anyone else having this issue?
autoduelist
Member
Whoo. Finally beat my last challenge (Darkness Falls). I don't know what my problem was, but I could get to satan easy but always died. Given that's like 45 minutes per run, I burnt a lot of time getting it. Already have
hard runs done so that just means all I think I need to do are a bunch of character runs, none of which should really be an issue.
The only thing I'm worried about are the no damage trophies for the deep levels. Those might be a pain if my inability to avoid the hooves continue. I suppose an OP guppy build should do it though.
Hmm. It's a crappy workaround, but if you have ps+ you could push your save to the cloud, delete it on your ps4/vita, redownload, beat it 3 times, then pull down your save from the cloud. Worth it for the plat, not sure if it's worth it just to do.
I'm increasingly not a fan of mom's knife. If I have a decent fire rate, especially with piercing and/or spectral, I stick with that. The knife is still great, don't get me wrong, i'm just not enamored with it.
Goat head can be found for free from challenge rooms, and it's one of my favorite drops. I'm willing to drop to a single heart for the best of the best (generally brimstone or guppy pieces).
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The lost
The only thing I'm worried about are the no damage trophies for the deep levels. Those might be a pain if my inability to avoid the hooves continue. I suppose an OP guppy build should do it though.
Hmm. It's a crappy workaround, but if you have ps+ you could push your save to the cloud, delete it on your ps4/vita, redownload, beat it 3 times, then pull down your save from the cloud. Worth it for the plat, not sure if it's worth it just to do.
I'm increasingly not a fan of mom's knife. If I have a decent fire rate, especially with piercing and/or spectral, I stick with that. The knife is still great, don't get me wrong, i'm just not enamored with it.
Goat head can be found for free from challenge rooms, and it's one of my favorite drops. I'm willing to drop to a single heart for the best of the best (generally brimstone or guppy pieces).
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It was already known (through the Vinesauce interview), but McMillen fully confirmed that they're working on an expansion.
http://bindingofisaac.com/post/103530708659/after-birth
I'm psyched about a new character and a ton of new items, the new mode could be cool if it's as good as he says, but I can't think of what it could be. Daily challenges?
Stuff like the fear shot item and whatever else are only grabbed if I have soul/black heart generation, too many red hearts and don't mind more items for no real reason.
http://bindingofisaac.com/post/103530708659/after-birth
I'm psyched about a new character and a ton of new items, the new mode could be cool if it's as good as he says, but I can't think of what it could be. Daily challenges?
I let the items decide every time and my rules are pretty simple. The Mark, The Pact, Dark Bum, Brimstone, Abaddon, Ceremonial Robe, Death's Touch, Mom's Knife and Pentagram I will always get even if it's my last bit of health. Book of Belial, Satanic Bible, Rotten Baby, and Li'l Brimstone are situational and I'll get them if the situation allows/requires. For Guppy pieces, I'll get one if I have plenty of red hearts to spare or if there's 2+ items I will get all of them regardless.
Stuff like the fear shot item and whatever else are only grabbed if I have soul/black heart generation, too many red hearts and don't mind more items for no real reason.
There is no real ending. It's purposefully ambiguous.
Just a quick question. If my damage is shown maxed up like this:
Does it mean that I won't be able to raise it any further with items like The Mark or pills? So essentially picking up an item that only raises damage would do nothing for me?
Speaking of which: better start using Reddit if you want to get your item in the expansion. Edmund's 10 favorite fan designed items will be in the game.
Does it mean that I won't be able to raise it any further with items like The Mark or pills? So essentially picking up an item that only raises damage would do nothing for me?
Speaking of which: better start using Reddit if you want to get your item in the expansion. Edmund's 10 favorite fan designed items will be in the game.
Damage can rise near infinitely, the bar means nothing. It probably has a cap, but it's extremely high. The bars don't scale or anything, so they can't even display something like Cricket's Head (which carries a 1.5x damage multiplier with it).
The bars are pretty stupid, one of McMillen's worst decisions. He uses them because he thinks RPG numbers are difficult to interpret and lead to pointless debate, but that happens with the bars too! It's just now we have no idea and stuff like Cricket, Lump of Coal, Magic Mush, Whore of Babylon, among many other things, can't properly be symbolized by bars.
I'm in the middle of a pretty great Eden run right now, must have started off with really high luck as I got one luck up pill that turned me bright green and my stats only show 1 bar. However every pill I get is positive, the arcade room left me with plenty of keys, bombs, a dollar and an IV bag, I got Saggitarius (high range and piercing shots), Virgo (shield protection when hit), found the Prayer Card and managed to get my health up to full red hearts, it's all going really well. Had to stop playing to go to a pub quiz, which I then won. Everything was going my way. I expect it to all come crashing down when I pick it back up again tonight though, ha.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
I was having a great run earlier. Was Azazel on my way to Mom's Heart and had the demon baby with the blood red killing beam following me around. I was unstoppable. Until I picked up Mongo and my baby became a shitty tear spitting piece of crap. Needless to say my run ended quite quickly. So disappointed.
Here's the seed for probably the best starting room I've ever seen: F43J F98R
Item room has Epic Fetus, secret room is in the right wall and has Fate and Blank Card. Two rooms left of the boss and down has Maggy's Faith.
I don't think failing this run is actually possible...
Edit: LOL, Quarter in the room before the boss, in the pot, on the second floor. Now I know this run is unlosable!
Edit 2: Dark Bum on Caves 2, Hierophant on Depths 1, Stopwatch on Depths 2, Guppy (one piece in devil room, one in Womb 2 and one in Sheol curse room). This run WAS impossible to fail!
Item room has Epic Fetus, secret room is in the right wall and has Fate and Blank Card. Two rooms left of the boss and down has Maggy's Faith.
I don't think failing this run is actually possible...
Edit: LOL, Quarter in the room before the boss, in the pot, on the second floor. Now I know this run is unlosable!
Edit 2: Dark Bum on Caves 2, Hierophant on Depths 1, Stopwatch on Depths 2, Guppy (one piece in devil room, one in Womb 2 and one in Sheol curse room). This run WAS impossible to fail!
These nonsensical bars are even worse, yeah. Even just a floating point number would be infinitely better.
Is there something up with Experimental treatment? I looked at my stats before I picked it up and I was 2,1,2,2,2,1. I grabbed it, checked again and I was 3,1,3,2,2,1.
It's supposed to increase every stat then shuffle them around, but I only saw a total increase of +2 stats. Shouldn't it be +6?
It's supposed to increase every stat then shuffle them around, but I only saw a total increase of +2 stats. Shouldn't it be +6?
I see. I have played this game for more than 50 hours and only now did I question the fact that bars were the hard cap.
SerTapTap
Member
The bars are stupid, glad I always knew they were bullshit. What annoys me more than the fake cap is some items that affect damage do NOT show up in the bars AT ALL. Perhaps worse, tear size is not directly related to damage either, I had massive tears thanks to dead onion and they hit like a wet noodle. Does that thing do damage down as well? I felt pretty weak with it, but it's effects SHOULD be pretty great and no damage down is listed.
If I have crazy great tears I might not burn 2 hearts on it, but Mom's Knife is crazy good when used with skill. Lots of enemies can be killed at melee range safely (so long as one damage tick kills them it's very easy), and if you can time it so the knife STOPS over an enemy's sprite they'll take way more damage than if you throw it way past them and only hit them for two ticks (once going out one coming back in). Like Brimstone it's a must get unless I'm already crazy because it's more or less singlehandedly all the damage buffs you need to beat The Heart and more.
Gotta wait for a patch. I would assume this should be easy for them to do retroactively since all? trophies are tied to an unlock in game anyway.
If I have crazy great tears I might not burn 2 hearts on it, but Mom's Knife is crazy good when used with skill. Lots of enemies can be killed at melee range safely (so long as one damage tick kills them it's very easy), and if you can time it so the knife STOPS over an enemy's sprite they'll take way more damage than if you throw it way past them and only hit them for two ticks (once going out one coming back in). Like Brimstone it's a must get unless I'm already crazy because it's more or less singlehandedly all the damage buffs you need to beat The Heart and more.
Gotta wait for a patch. I would assume this should be easy for them to do retroactively since all? trophies are tied to an unlock in game anyway.
I think Mom's Knife in general is considered kind of a boring item. It's basically a won run from the moment you pick it up, unless you're beyond terrible at using it, and using it is kind of cumbersome and not as awesome as Brimstone.
That said, first floor Knife allowed me to knock out my final boss rush just now. No more hauling ass and skipping smart plays for no reason!
Speaking of tears, I love the glowy effect on fire and toxic tears more than any sane man should. Can we get glowy red, blue and pink tears in the expansion? More colors for Brimstone while you're at it!
That said, first floor Knife allowed me to knock out my final boss rush just now. No more hauling ass and skipping smart plays for no reason!
The tears are another thing I think smacks of overall poor design. Does large tears mean more damage? Yes, but not always. Does red tears mean more damage? Yes, but not always! Some items just give you large/red tears for no reason. I suppose the idea is to keep the player on their toes but meh, pointless idea.
Speaking of tears, I love the glowy effect on fire and toxic tears more than any sane man should. Can we get glowy red, blue and pink tears in the expansion? More colors for Brimstone while you're at it!
Veritigo_X
Member
Thanks guys. I'll wait for a patch and if worse comes to worse I'll make a new save file. Luckily it's not a tough trophy to get, I'm more worried it'll happen with some of the more difficult ones.
Trophy issues aside, I'm addicted to this game. I bought GTAV, yet everyday I come home from work and do a couple runs in this game instead. Could've saved myself $60 haha.
Tried using this seed, I think you typed it wrong
SerTapTap
Member
Guys seeds are platform specific, remember to post platform with seeds. Yes, this is stupid.
I love tear alterations and "demon" form items even when they're not super amazing (though I won't spend 2 hearts just to see the awesome evil black wings, wish I could). But yeah, it's really annoying when some things have much larger tears with no damage boost (dead onion does this). And some things I didn't expect to affect damage (pulse worm) do (though not as much as it looks like, because tears get HUGE with that but still deal only slightly more than normal damage it seems)
Actual toxic tears seem to do fuck-all though. I think toxic splash tears are even completely canceled out by certain combos, I had like 3 different "toxic" tear alterations and never saw a single damn enemy take a tick of poison damage. Fortunately I was killing things left and right regardless.
It's a bit disappointing--there's still a few glaring errors like trophies/not cross platform specific seeds, wonky unlocks and a couple of broken items (the injection that raises stats and shuffles...doesn't raise and is thus extremely dangerous with no consistent benefit). Fixing the glitches was the #1 reason I wanted to play Rebirth over the original, even over the new items/areas/better performance. It's much improved, but still needs some polish. I mean, it's a crazy complex game, but I'm starting to worry a bit since patches seem to have stopped happening for now (and I'll go ahead and guess there won't be much work anymore until after new year's)
Same. I've played all of 3 levels of Little Big Planet 3. But I wanted to play that with friends and no one else seems to have gotten it. And shareplay won't work with a friend for reasons the PS4 won't tell me
Oh yeah, that seed up there is for PC. Pretty strange how the seeds work differently on different platforms, that doesn't really make any logical sense...
I personally hope they do like 10 expansions and keep it going for 5 years.
Toxic tears seem kind of glitchy and situational. I had them fighting Larry Jr and from the side he took no extra damage at all, but if I lined up and had him coming straight for me, the splash damage to his face was massive.
Well, this game has been McMillen's whole life for like 4 years now, so can't blame him for losing interest... But on the other hand, this is Nicalis' big ticket item and I hope they're smart enough to nurture that. More patches and expansions and this will be a goldmine for them.
I personally hope they do like 10 expansions and keep it going for 5 years.
I had the same exact problem last night.
Had an amazing build with full health going into the chest. Picked up Ipecac and ruined all the synergies I had, lost all my health before getting to Blue Baby.
Oh wow. That makes an already dubious item terrible.
SerTapTap
Member
Only explanation I can think of is the pseudo RNG comes up with different results on each processor type or something. Should be able to keep it consistent though. Would never have expected seeds to not be cross platform. And now they can't fix it without invalidating one whole library of seeds. Still, I hope they correct it.
I kind of assume ed is almost totally hands off but Nicalis will be doing all the code support anyway. I do hope ed gets a break and gets to make some new stuff. A bit meh on the whole meatboy endless runner crap. Really surprised that's what's being made after I'm sure he's a bit burnt out on Isaac being a huge success and Meat Boy being a bit of a nightmare due to MS/360 policies and console makers generally rejecting him.
I really don't see two expansions a year. This isn't Destiny. Maybe an expansion in a few years, maybe one every several years if they really feel like it.
I need to remember which items to ignore. I've picked up Soy Milk and Strange Attractor once each AFTER deciding they're total run killers. Never even got ipecac. To my surprise, My Reflection is actually just fine at least with normal tears. It doesn't seem to reduce range (my fear). Though when I picked up Strange Attractor that same run...man I'm stupid. I still won but probably lost Dead Boy due to that mistake alone. I'll never grab fire tears again either. I love the fires they leave, but the explosions get me killed.
Yeah I thought it was an interesting risk, but since it universally raises stats it's probably worth it. But christ no if it's not going to raise stats. I barely survived a run after getting 1 stat point shuffled into health, all my speed removed, fortunately attack got most of the spare points.
Could be risk worth taking if you have a terrible build going, but not if it doesn't raise the stats.
Will ignore the item until I hear it is fixed.
SerTapTap
Member
Yeah it's on my ignore list now. I think it is the ONLY boss room drop that I refuse to get. They're usually the safest, and the only items I grab on Curse of the Blind floors (except for Krampus' or Greed's drops)
I once rushed to the item room in a curse of the blind floor...got Cursed Eye.
I once rushed to the item room in a curse of the blind floor...got Cursed Eye.
SerTapTap
Member
If it does it's like a fraction of a "bar". But I counted my points in two runs, same result before and after taking it both times. Platinum God notes it "may" not work, but after checking the results several times I'm pretty sure it consistently doesn't work and isn't worth the risk of having all your damage, speed and tears rolled into range and shot speed for no overall benefit.
It's the Yellow injection for anyone wondering, suggest rerolling or ignoring it.
breadtruck
Member
Soy Milk can be awesome if you have upgraded tears. Then its machine-gun cannon time. I rolled through the levels with Soy Milk and whatever other pickup I had (sorry, dont recall what it was)
This was a good run. Azazel + Tiny Planet + Sacred Heart + Tammy's Head + a couple of dmg upgrades utterly annihilated Blue Baby.
Seed's 2B1Y VCPD (PC), if anyone's interested. Tammy was in a golden chest somewhere on the Depths, Tiny Planet was one of the Chest drops, Sacred Heart was from Angel Room on Depths 1, if I remember correctly.
Code:
[IMG]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/45363475710584067/BC0336F22F9B5C753B67D5A63E59F01272C96325/[/IMG]Seed's 2B1Y VCPD (PC), if anyone's interested. Tammy was in a golden chest somewhere on the Depths, Tiny Planet was one of the Chest drops, Sacred Heart was from Angel Room on Depths 1, if I remember correctly.
Thanks! This helps. Though I have a dumb question. When you've referenced "D6" in this thread, what exactly do you mean?
Also, I still usually don't remember what items do by simply looking at them before picking them up. Any resources in particular that you use? Right now I'm using this wiki for reference:
http://bindingofisaacrebirth.gamepedia.com/
Combined with this cheat sheet for quick icon recognition:
http://platinumgod.co.uk/rebirth