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The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth |OT| Pixel Heart Mother
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SerTapTap
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...how on earth are you missing blood bag. just find any room with a blood machine and a slot machine, spend all your money, get heart drops, use heart drops on blood machine, use coins from blood machine in slot machine, repeat until blood machine explodes. Should only take a few tries. It's probably my most gotten item
For godhead yeah you're going to want sharp plug and D6 abuse
edit:
someone got a 2:53 run through The Chest due to a Brimstone/Tammy's Head seed
For godhead yeah you're going to want sharp plug and D6 abuse
edit:
someone got a 2:53 run through The Chest due to a Brimstone/Tammy's Head seed
Personally, I hardly ever get it. Every time I try doing just that, I end up with the portable blood bank instead.
Oh I don't know if it's harder but with the reduced item drops I feel like there are less opportunities to play around with it.
Yeah I know about the boss rush but it was annoying, I had an ok-yet-not-op build and trying to get through it was draining so it hurt when I died, I really had to concentrate and I failed after 10 minutes
I used to love Blood Bag in Flash Isaac but I value the IV bag higher in this one. Probably has to do with the fact that devil rooms seem more common now and I spend frivolously in them. My goal in like every run is soul hearts only. The shop is way better now, too, so I do want that monayyyy.
I wouldn't say that gambling is less profitable on hard. That would further invalidate Cain for pretty much no good reason, plus I don't feel like it's any worse and I play a lot of hard.
I wouldn't say that gambling is less profitable on hard. That would further invalidate Cain for pretty much no good reason, plus I don't feel like it's any worse and I play a lot of hard.
CASINO:
Blood Bag (HP up)
Pretty Fly
Dollar
Skatole
Crystal Ball
Soul Hearts/Cards/Trinkets
BEGGARS:
Health Up
Devil Room items
Beggar is almost a guaranteed HP up if you have 15 coins, and even a good gamble at 7 coins. Devil Room drops from demon beggar are the best if you have the spare health and plenty of red heart drops on a floor. Pretty Fly and Skatole are great if you're walking around with 50 coins, and dropping coins in a gambling machine means a bunch of keys and bombs anyway.
I always, always gamble on beggars. The pay out is too good and too easy. I usually gamble the casino if I have lots of coins and am not worried about wasting 2-3 minutes. And I'll use them if I'm desperate for keys. If I find a blue gambling machine I'm usually happy. That thing's payouts are great (spirit hearts, cards, trinkets). The crystal ball is great as well ("the world" card effect + chance of spirit heart drops).
As far as odds, I don't know about hard mode. I do know that the chance to win on the machines is 33% normally, or 50% if you have luck foot. Blood machine is something like 1/15 to drop IV/Blood Bag. I don't know the odds on beggars, but from personal experience it's easy to get them to pay out. I can't remember the last time I spent more than 10 coins or 8 hearts on one.
SenorArdilla
Member
Trying to get 4 Cube of Meat / Ball of Bandages is exasperating.
SerTapTap
Member
Only reasonable approach seems to be to get Monster Manual + Sharp Plug abuse
Even if you get Book of Revs first floor it's not a sure thing. I got it as a starting item in an Eve run. Didn't complete either. Ugh
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
Hold the fuck up. Why the hell was Satan so much harder than he usually is just now? I wasn't prepared for this. Those exploding worm things were flying all over the place messing me up. I'm pretty sure they aren't normally in the satan fight.
SerTapTap
Member
The black leeches? Those should always be in the fight, otherwise his last form would be completely pathetic once you know what to expect. Unless Everything is Terrible adds those or something, but they're always there for me
tim_pkmn89
Member
Those were always there
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
They are? Maybe I've just been so overpowered in previous satan fights I haven't noticed or something. But I could have sworn when it does the stomping attacks I haven't had to worry about much else.
Mom is the same.
Mom's Heart has more bullets and the brimstone shots, as well as different enemy spawns and patterns.
Isaac has more bullets and more light rays.
Blue Baby has more bullets.
SerTapTap
Member
Jeez and I thought they felt easy as-is. I love the idea of the bullet hell patterns but almost all of them are way easier to dodge than stuff like Brimstones you get 200ms to dodge,
's spikes-everywhere attack, or Leeches blocking shots against Satan when you have crappy tears.
Or those infernal little red spiders
Mama Gurdy
Or those infernal little red spiders
TemplaerDude
Member
Saying gambling sucks exposes you as a low level Isaac player.
Even with the new patterns and bullet density, I feel that normal in Rebirth is easier than BoI Flash. I haven't gone back and done a damage analysis, but fighting Isaac and Blue Baby was a real challenge except with the most OP builds. There are some other changes I didn't mention that made it so, such as reaction shots, enemy spawn rate, homing shots, and so on, as well as general damage dealt and hit points.
However, hard might be harder. Dunno. I haven't played much hard yet. I've just been unlocking everything.
SerTapTap
Member
It sounds like the boss patterns are harder, but it's easier to come across good items. Also half the good items in the game don't totally override eachother like in vanilla isaac, and bosses can drop several more actually useful items (love those injections in the boss pool) where it was nearly 100% health items in Flash version. Plus several broken items are fixed, lots of sucky ones have buffs or interact properly with OP builds making them useful (lol tammy's head), and items added to rebirth are pretty decent.
Also I think devil deals are way more common in normal mode
That's kinda unfair, the patterns were changed but also several mechanics. Mom's Heart was way easier, but both Isaac and Blue Baby were much harder due to less predictable tear patterns. Isaac was significantly harder than Satan.
I'm on mobile so I won't type up all the differences, but the difficulty curve has been much improved by making Womb and Mom's Heart more difficult (Depths and Mom were more threatening in BoI than Womb and Heart) and bumping Isaac down to be more in libe with Satan.
Edit: beaten (damn you mobile), but it's way easier to avoid damage in new incarnations of Isaac and Blue Baby, really
I'm on mobile so I won't type up all the differences, but the difficulty curve has been much improved by making Womb and Mom's Heart more difficult (Depths and Mom were more threatening in BoI than Womb and Heart) and bumping Isaac down to be more in libe with Satan.
Edit: beaten (damn you mobile), but it's way easier to avoid damage in new incarnations of Isaac and Blue Baby, really
Agreed, I found Isaac and Blue Baby harder in the original, mostly due to less predictable tear patterns as you say.
I wouldn't say it's all about items. Isaac and Blue Baby are just easier. Their reaction shots are easier to avoid, as mentioned. Their follower spawning is less frantic as well. I mean, no matter my items, if I make it to the cathedral, I almost always defeat them both.
This is just normal, though. I haven't reached them on hard mode.
This is just normal, though. I haven't reached them on hard mode.
SerTapTap
Member
I dont' think hard changes most patterns at all. A minor change to
Mega Satan
thequickandthedead
Member
Is there any item that gives Isaac
"Boss Isaac" powers?
Oh, hrm. Didn't know that. Well, not sure how much I like that. It sort of makes not want to play hard mode, I guess.
Nope!
SerTapTap
Member
How do you mean? I mean, there's Tammy's Head for a single burst of tears in all direction, there's items for flight, there's Crack The Sky, but there's no "turn into OP boss mode" item
The hopeful answer should be "not yet". Let's hope Edmund puts something good in this expansion he's cooking up.
SerTapTap
Member
Come to think of it, there's a character in Hitogata Happa that basically lets you play like something similar (more like a bullet hell boss than bullet hell player character) and it's really fun. It's "balanced" by her being really expensive though so you effectively have far less lives. I don't really see it working in Isaac. Though it could have been an interesting gimmick for
The Lost
Ok. I platinum god' the first and I'm close here.
Gambling does suck, as nothing interesting can come of it. Note I'm talking about slot and shell.
Joe Molotov
Member
When you have like 30 coins and no keys/bombs, gambling is awesome.
SerTapTap
Member
Pickups don't suck. Also I'm pretty sure shell game got buffed, I don't recall it ever dropping multiple pickups in the original and I ALWAYS ignored it. It seems...okay but not super great now. Slot is always cool at least with lots of money/blood machine.
autoduelist
Member
I've been struggling with Satan ever since I completed
The Lost
Satan used to be pizza cake, now I dread it.
I think I've flown past 'being in the zone' full circle and should probably take a break from it for awhile.
Slot gives pretty fly and keys which can be run savers.
Shell game always dropped 2 of the same pickup, i.e. some combination of hearts, some combination of bombs, etc.
Surprised you don't unlock anything for killing
. Awesome boss anyway. And I loved the ending.
I think it may be a nod to Charles Manson?
Mega Satan
I think it may be a nod to Charles Manson?
Correct, hard changes nothing but makes pickups less plentiful, adds a few more random champions per room (about the same level as Champion Belt) and apparently adds a room or two to the floor layout. It has no direct impact on combat. This is why it's so dull!
Don't worry about it, this is what everyone does. Even the most famous Isaac players spend most of their time restarting the Lost until they get something they can work with. There's just too much stuff in every item pool that doesn't do a single thing for Lost, so you're just wasting your time if you make an effort when your first item room has Stem Cells or whatever.
Personally, I would give it a shot as long as the first item room had any sort of damage up. Stuff like Cricket's Head, Magic Mush, Polyphemus, Mom's Knife or Proptosis are obviously preferrable, but I'd take Odd Mushroom, Stigmata, Halo, Capricorn and so on too. Just need to have something to start the run off on the right foot.
Linkstrikesback
Member
Son of a...
So you can get an icon for beating
Mega satan
edit: No wait, I think you were saying it was an icon for beating the
dark room/ chest
Is there actually any reason to fight
Mega satan
Not unless you simply like fighting him, no.
The Lost doesn't even have to bother with him for the Godhead unlock.
SerTapTap
Member
Christ, you guys. I just had not very amazing tears, $3 bill (random temporarly tear upgrade every room) CURSED EYE (I hate myself why do I keep accidentally picking this up), Dead Cat, Anhk AND guppy's collar. I just fought
TWELVE TIMES IN A ROW with one health each time. I won, but I didn't even get the unlock I was going for (I was Eden, turned into ??? just before running out of lives...now ??? has
but not Satan, awkward)
Anyway, I beat
without taking a single hit despite a mediocre at best build so that's pretty badass. Even if it did take 12 tries. Ugh, I'm going to bed.
On the char select screen? No. It does change your save file icon though. And no I don't believe there's any real reason to do so.
The Lamb
Dark Room
Anyway, I beat
The Lamb
On the char select screen? No. It does change your save file icon though. And no I don't believe there's any real reason to do so.
Mister Negative
Member
If I'm playing for fun I usually pass brimstone up.
I just don't find it enjoyable. I value high tears above everything. It's just fun.
Soy milk was a little TOO weak for me though.
I just don't find it enjoyable. I value high tears above everything. It's just fun.
Soy milk was a little TOO weak for me though.
A little?
A Link to the Past
Banned
Is Cursed Charge Shot the worst item in BoI
Yes it is because it can RUIN fucking runs, it's not nearly strong enough to justify being annoying.
Plenty of mid-game questions regarding bosses and progression:
- After killing Mom's Heart, the other day I got the chance to either grab the chest, or go down to the next level? Is there any benefit in grabbing the chest time after time, or should I just keep going to the next level?
- Am I supposed to try to play with all the different characters, or can I just pick my favorite one and always play as them? So far, Azazel has been the only one with which I've been able to defeat Mom's Heart, and I've grown used to him.
- I played Satan the other day after beating Mom's Heart. What other bosses are there? Do I have to do anything special to fight them?
- There is a character (Eden?) that I haven't used yet, but I've seen that in the character selection screen it says something like "Eden. Tokens: n". I assume this means I can only use this character n amount of times? How do I increase this?
- Am I supposed to try to play with all the different characters, or can I just pick my favorite one and always play as them? So far, Azazel has been the only one with which I've been able to defeat Mom's Heart, and I've grown used to him.
- I played Satan the other day after beating Mom's Heart. What other bosses are there? Do I have to do anything special to fight them?
- There is a character (Eden?) that I haven't used yet, but I've seen that in the character selection screen it says something like "Eden. Tokens: n". I assume this means I can only use this character n amount of times? How do I increase this?
Haunted
Member
1) You can beat Mom's Heart 9 times and get 9 different endings along with a new item unlock for each. After that, you can go on the next level(s) every time.
2) You get new items and achievements by beating the game with each character. Every time you complete a run for the first time with a new character, you unlock something.
3) There is 1 alternate boss to Satan and 2 more beyond him. You have to do some special things to get to them, yes.
4) Every time you complete a run, you get 1 Eden token.
2) You get new items and achievements by beating the game with each character. Every time you complete a run for the first time with a new character, you unlock something.
3) There is 1 alternate boss to Satan and 2 more beyond him. You have to do some special things to get to them, yes.
4) Every time you complete a run, you get 1 Eden token.
Hope that helps!