Other ethnicities don't give a fuck about black people but want us to do all the activist work on their behalf. The shit from Asians is really fucking annoying because the same people I know who are racist as hell and try as hard as possible to align themselves with whites want to whine about not being included when black people start stuff.
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The Black Culture Thread |OT13| Kimba is the New Blacked
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Cindi Mayweather
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Asian Guy is definitely about POC solidarity. Dude speaks on black issues all the time. So I don't know how to feel about it. I'll read the link he linked to and go from there.
Kid Kamikaze10
Member
Bingo about Asian Guy. I actually agree with him; it was a shit joke, as was Sacha Baron Cohens stuff.
I hope Chris didn't write that one.
The thing is #oscarsowhite has always been inclusive according to its creator. The fault of the media focusing on Black people with their coverage of the issue isn't Chris Rock's fault it's the media's. Why do we hear a peep from nonBlackPOC when it's time to chastise a Black man for not doing enough? Also Chris Rock never aligned himself with the hashtag and he was put in an impossible situation from the get go so he did what he knew best. Chris Rock is a comedian who happens to be outspoken about anti-black racism because that's what he experiences. He isn't a social activist. Idk
Is this the joke in question? Seems like the joke is on the audience and not "lol Asian child labor"
Is this the joke in question? Seems like the joke is on the audience and not "lol Asian child labor"
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
They weren't ready for that punchline. I think he enjoyed springing it on them
^This. When the hashtag first started it was about non White people not being nominated, which is what made it stronger as a hashtag. The "problem" is it's always black people that speak up the most and the loudest in these situations and then we become the focus in the media, with all these other groups at the most going "Yeah I agree" when it isn't just crickets. Like Ming-Na Wen saying Chris Rock should have brought up other minorities. Like comeon lady you are on ABC every week! Why don't YOU use Agents of Shield and say some real shit?
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
One Chris Rock set pushing people farther right. Lawd help us
Kid Kamikaze10
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Most of these motherfuckers are the US equivalent of Shy Tories anyway. It's only because the Republicans don't use enough dogwhistles anymore that they are "liberal".
Kid Kamikaze10
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Gordon Shumway
Banned
Kid. Since you seem to agree with the dude, what was it about that joke that was "anti-Asian" again? I don't get it.
Kid Kamikaze10
Member
I guess the question is, what was it that made it pro-anything?
I mean, I get it, it was meant to play into the fact that we are all complicit in white supremacy in different ways. It also was made to show how out of touch the academy can be, much like the Stacey Dash joke.
Here's the problem with it. It turns into the, "but it's satire!" situation. Is it worth it if the instruments of your joke are the demographics that are usually victims of it (talking child labor here) instead of abusers? For the Stacey joke, it worked for me because it was a deliberate jab at HER, and folks who agree with her. For the kids joke, the joke wasn't aimed that them, but it was using them and stuff their demographic deal with as a prop.
Is that cringe really worth perpetuating the model minority/rich jew stereotypes?
He used anti-asian stereotypes as a platform to get at the academy. Which was unnecessary, ineffective, and just wasn't worth it.
Was he deliberately trying to be anti-asian? No, but that doesn't matter.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=984925738265572&id=100744900016998
Posting LLAG again, he covers n it.
I'm a little ambivalent after reading about this. I didn't watch the oscars. The thing is black folks and especially black comedians are all about self effacing humor, we stay making jokes at our own expense. This thread is evidence enough of that. Maybe had it been ken jeong it to make the joke it would have came across as less mean spirited and just really meta. This is one reasons why Asians and other poc need to be able to find their own voice within the media imo.
Gordon Shumway
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Oh, so the use of the word anti-Asian is for disparaging jokes or stereotypes. Ok. I was confused. My brain reads "anti" as against, so my confusion level grew. I actually missed the joke..
For those who didn't see the Asian Joke:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...8f940a-dea1-11e5-8c00-8aa03741dced_video.html
And here's Sacha's joke, which I thought was more offensive/more deserving of criticism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSzMQyEkbEM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...8f940a-dea1-11e5-8c00-8aa03741dced_video.html
And here's Sacha's joke, which I thought was more offensive/more deserving of criticism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSzMQyEkbEM
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Damn..that minions joke was much much worse than the shit Rock said.
Kid Kamikaze10
Member
Yeah, no excuse for Rock, but Sacha's joke was just plain foul. But that's to be expected.
Discotheque
Banned
lol it was offensive as hell but it's ali g....
aside from the gods chris rock and louis ck the best joke (unintentional though) was playing freaking fight the power over a montage of all the white winners...man that was bizarre.
aside from the gods chris rock and louis ck the best joke (unintentional though) was playing freaking fight the power over a montage of all the white winners...man that was bizarre.
I'm just saying if you're going to get offended by "something" why not the Ali G joke? That joke was directly taking a jab at Asian people. Whereas IMO, Chris Rock's child labor joke was supposed to be offensive/uncomfortable because child labor is fucked up. I get the facebook comment and what Kid's getting at in the fact that child labor is more serious than Chris Rock's joke and jokes like it make them out to be, but I can't get mad at Chris Rock in this situation because he wanted you to be offended in order to at least talk about it vs trying to get you to laugh at child labor like a Family Guy skit.
Kid Kamikaze10
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Nah, I can't use Ali G as a deflection for Chris' poor execution.
We are talking about poor execution though. It's obvious where it was supposed to land, but it missed just like the Stacey Dash bit. The premise was sound. And really, people are getting offended by it because they can, not because they should. The joke failed because the people that it was supposed to put on blast didn't get it or are used to not caring about such things. And those that should have been behind it got up in their own sensibilities about it. Americans by and large know about child labor and its perils, but they'll be damned if they are going to not get the latest Iphone day one.
Ali G gets a pass because frankly, most viewers don't know why Sasha was even dressed like that, and those that know the character expect that level of crass from him.
For some reason Chris' entire body of work and comedic style gets thrown into the bushes because he's on white folks tv and he's showing everyone their own asses once again.
It wasn't a flawless victory, but he opened up the conversation for a whole lot of people last night. Kind of typical that other POC can't do anything but get their backs up about him putting in work though.
Ali G gets a pass because frankly, most viewers don't know why Sasha was even dressed like that, and those that know the character expect that level of crass from him.
For some reason Chris' entire body of work and comedic style gets thrown into the bushes because he's on white folks tv and he's showing everyone their own asses once again.
It wasn't a flawless victory, but he opened up the conversation for a whole lot of people last night. Kind of typical that other POC can't do anything but get their backs up about him putting in work though.
Didn't mean to imply deflection with my last post vs criticizing both if you're criticizing Rock anyway, but I see how it came out that way.
Kid Kamikaze10
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Ok, no prob man.
The Faceless Master
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the child labor joke was amazing!
especially when you looked at Twitter and saw *gasp* all the people tweeting about it on their smartphones. keikaku and all that jazz.
especially when you looked at Twitter and saw *gasp* all the people tweeting about it on their smartphones. keikaku and all that jazz.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Was just saying good night lol.
Storm Chamber
Banned
Thoughts?
It's absolutely awful. If somebody thought I was really good at math just by looking at me, I'd be mad as a motherfucker.
Oh. oooooooooooooooooh.
I read it too cryptic. You know, being a non-native english speaker and all that. lol
Gordon Shumway
Banned
I was wondering why everyone seemed to be giving me the bon voyage..
Black Republican
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any screen grabs of what ming na said?
That nigga could drink a cup of coffee on the oscar stage and people would still find something wrong.
It's absolutely awful. If somebody thought I was really good at math just by looking at me, I'd be mad as a motherfucker.
it's still not a good stereotype though.
Kid Kamikaze10
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Storm Chamber
Banned
Not following your point. I don't think anyone should be reduced to simple stereotype.Yeah...some people really aren't hard workers and shouldn't be assumed as such.
Kid Kamikaze10
Member
And having known folks who have either killed themselves or attempted to (via depression) to meet stereotypical "high standards" (it's not just Asians who get this, 1st and immigrant Nigerians get it too, among others)
Yeah, not appreciated. Even stereotypes that sound good have really negative affects. Even to those who fit it, but especially those that don't.
Yeah, not appreciated. Even stereotypes that sound good have really negative affects. Even to those who fit it, but especially those that don't.
Storm Chamber
Banned
I get the post, I just find it very silly when said out loud.
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Aren't Pakistan and India in Asia? Or is Asian reserved for "looks like me" when she makes this statement?
Pakistani woman won an Oscar. Slumdog dude also presented. And that woman from Quantico. They don't count?
Ming-Na Wen said:
Pakistani woman won an Oscar. Slumdog dude also presented. And that woman from Quantico. They don't count?
The model minority myth is definitely harmful to asians as well as other poc. They have to contend with a lot of social preasure. Being good at math is probably about as offensive as black people are good dancers. But making light of child labor is disconcerting. Not that it can't be done in the right circumatances and with the right audience. You have to consider how acceptable it is for people to make asian jokes. Combine that with doing so in front of a largely white audience where racial tension has been running high and you got a stew going. It's kinda lame as far as poc wakeup calls go, but I can empathize.
"Asia" is often used for shorthand of "East Asia" (China, Korea(s), Japan) unfortunately.
I don't feel like Chris Rock was making light of child labor. That joke was on the audience, forcing us to face the reality of where our cheap devices are coming from and our complicity in such a horrible thing. You could criticize him for using the Asian kids as props though.
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That's a double standard that many East Asians have with including other parts of Asia into the cultural narrative. Southern Asians have historically been disregarded as even being Asian at all. Probably has a lot to do with the British Empire coming in and lumping people into made up territories and erasing pre-existing ones.
I agree, it seemed like meta commentary. Forcing people to reconcile their sensibilities with their actions. Unfortunately the execution made for bad optics.
Way late buddy. In any case
EXACTLY.
I will say that i'm surprised how much that bit went throug so much people, but not really.