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EscoBlades
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ND. No question.
The Faceless Master
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bobbychalkers
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Going by the Uncharted 3 review thread, I would have to go with Naughty Dog. Platinum fans are very vocal but they seem to more tongue in cheek with the things that they say. Like the whole Platinum should make everything meme. Kind of the same way how everybody in OT says Idris Elba or Fassbender should play every role. I haven't heard anything too crazy from Retro fans. They haven't made a bad game yet but they also haven't made anything entirely of their own either.
True always felt there was some pretentous shit though when it came to them and the fanbase. ND is heading kind of in that direction too but they still have this weird charm that they had since jak and fax days
I still like them both a lot tho
Spring-Loaded
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Never understood this whole "caring about fans rather than what they're fans of" thing.
It's annoying when it infiltrates general threads.'Nier thread? Nier thread' 'This' 'this'
And stuff like that Skyward Sword & UC3 review thread made me embarrassed to post on here.
Devolution
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Have yet to find a group of people more entitled than gamers.
Fucked up as it sounds I'm completely serious about this.
They're extremely entitled, and massive hypocrites.
And prone to taking things personal. But that's everyone on the internet.
Devolution
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Just the sheer amount of harassment people in the industry have to slog through blows my mind.
Spring-Loaded
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I made a thread asking why is it that gamers get so riled up over the most inconsequential things and why the community at large is so filled with vitriol, but I couldn't get an answer. This was after some dude went off at me for saying I preferred auto-save systems to purely manual "save anywhere," even though I said I'd like a balance between the two.
Didn't bother with the matter after that. Even trying to figure it out in a diplomatic way is a waste of time; talking about which fanbase is the worst just falls right in line with the bad side of video game culture overall, as far as I see it. You always see people attacking one another on gaming side; they're focused on the person, not their argument. This is just a continuation of that.
If there's something wrong with a particular fanbase, it's something wrong with them all. And it just seems particularly pointless to focus on that or make the discussion about other people, even more of a waste of time than casually discussing games.
Didn't bother with the matter after that. Even trying to figure it out in a diplomatic way is a waste of time; talking about which fanbase is the worst just falls right in line with the bad side of video game culture overall, as far as I see it. You always see people attacking one another on gaming side; they're focused on the person, not their argument. This is just a continuation of that.
If there's something wrong with a particular fanbase, it's something wrong with them all. And it just seems particularly pointless to focus on that or make the discussion about other people, even more of a waste of time than casually discussing games.
Naughty Dog easily
so i just got back from a golf tournament. it was interesting. got there near the end since we didn't know they moved tee times up to the morning (weather concerns) so we just camped up at 18 but the end was really exciting.
- lots of random Tiger shade. some of it was hilarious. some of it i had to hit w/ that
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- tons of free shit. next time i'll have to bring a bag or to put it in..
- got curved by this chick based on how i got my tickets.
- this old white couple explained what the hell to look for and who to pay attention to. really nice people.
gotta do that again sometime.
- lots of random Tiger shade. some of it was hilarious. some of it i had to hit w/ that
- tons of free shit. next time i'll have to bring a bag or to put it in..
- got curved by this chick based on how i got my tickets.
- this old white couple explained what the hell to look for and who to pay attention to. really nice people.
gotta do that again sometime.
Fans of entertainment in general.
I am still trying to figure out how a sane human being, equates making entertainment for inclusive to everyone, by including everyone to shameless pandering
Do you not hear the words that come out of your mouth.
This is true, however some devs and people brig it upon themselves.
While i do not agree with death threats and threats in general, the shit that Ninja theory gets on the daily is wells deserved. And then you have the companies that are deciding to effectively blow themselves up and then ask why they are loosing money.
EscoBlades
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If i can, i'll have to post some of the shit we get sent, and some of the crap i get on a personal level. Its crazy.
How bad is it, I am only a college student I need to see what I am getting into.
My first dip in that pool was some gentleman upset that I drew something a certianway. Very upset. Not even his commission mind you.
Devolution
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Nah gaming is on a whole nother level.
Nobody brings any of that shit upon themselves. There is a solid difference between critiquing something and or wanting nothing to do with it and badgering the hell out of devs.
EscoBlades
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Depends on the game, and even within a game, SP or MP. Some of the worst stuff i got was when i was at Infinity Ward, for obvious reasons.
AC fans tend to be more reserved, but some really invest their heart and soul, and almost entire life into the narrative. Any little deviation from what they perceive as "the way it should be" sets them off.
I had a fan on tumblr tell me (in a roundabout way) that if i didn't acknowledge he was the ultimate AC fan, he'd start his own Creed to hunt down every black developer at Ubisoft...starting with me.
Some stuff is batshit crazy that they will never follow through with. Other stuff is downright nasty.
Man...wat.
I just don't understand how people can invest themselves so fully in something that doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
Why would anybody be that hardcore of a fan of those mediocre ass games?
EscoBlades
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I was so burnt out on it all at that time. I left as soon as i know Bowling was jumping ship.
AC fans are crazy passionate. And that comes with some extremes. Devotion to certain characters sometimes gets out of control
Wait what? He blamed black people for the story?
Nerds are the worse about continuity, niggas lose sleep over what is canon and what isn't.
On entitlement, I will say that there is also a kneejerk reaction to call any criticism of a company or practice "acting entitled." As if no one should ever say a cross word about a game dev or platform holder.
I do agree that gamers can go above and beyond with how emotional and upset they get, though. It's even worse when their desire to have gaming free of any negative criticism they don't agree with has them defending some truly foul shit, like the recent sexism discussions.
The ruckus over review scores might be the silliest examples I've seen. I've had people argue that fighting games and other relatively niche genres need crack teams of fans to review them because otherwise the reviews will never be good. Just straight up silly shit.
I do agree that gamers can go above and beyond with how emotional and upset they get, though. It's even worse when their desire to have gaming free of any negative criticism they don't agree with has them defending some truly foul shit, like the recent sexism discussions.
The ruckus over review scores might be the silliest examples I've seen. I've had people argue that fighting games and other relatively niche genres need crack teams of fans to review them because otherwise the reviews will never be good. Just straight up silly shit.
Spring-Loaded
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Nope, it's definitely something about video games in particular. I think it might have to do with video games being interactive so, on some level, one's experience with a given game is more personal than with a book or film (ignoring the context the entertainment is experienced in). Honestly have no idea other than that.
Yeah, fuck that. I'd have to use a pseudonym if my name would be in the credits for a certain game.
They're the ultimate devestation. The entitled, prone to anger gamers with the tumblr generation, overly prone to emotional outbursts, Legolas x Gimli fanfic writers.
EscoBlades
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He'd been sending us his story ideas and fanfiction. Legally, we can't even look at or acknowledge any of that stuff. I let him know that and he said i was being dismissive. Then blamed ME for AC Revelations (i didn't work for Ubi then anyway)
Then came the "you won't listen to me cos i'm not black" messages. Ended with some long message about how he'd start his own Creed, blah blah blah.
Oh wow, while I am not a dev ...yet. I have had experience with this kind of thing.
You ever have the " supposed to look cool" conversation?
I dunno comic books fans, is pretty up there.
Say something remotely close to making a super hero a different race. Dat Idris factor.
To be fair, sometimes their bitching is justified.
Very long impressive bitching session. Decades long bitching, gaming has nothing on that. Parrallax was impressive.
And what is more impressive is, they got shit done.
Devolution
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Halo 4 pissed me off so I know that feel but I'll never understand pestering and harassing devs.
You worked with old IW? Damn that had to have been hype and stressfull
Comic book fans are rational about everything but canon and character portrayals. And even then, DC and Marvel do pull some shit that should be called out on.
That said, from my admittedly small amount of time in the fandom, comic fans do have more fun than gamers. Which is ironic.
That said, from my admittedly small amount of time in the fandom, comic fans do have more fun than gamers. Which is ironic.
EscoBlades
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Yeah, on Community side. Literally, in the trenches with all that toxicity for nearly 2 years.
Did you see the guy post about the two dudes about to fight over supes vs thor.
Anyway the crazed fans ( most of the time) are the minority. The reasons gaming fans are seem a bit more, numerous and loud is because Most of us here on Gaf have a passion for video games. We tend to hang around those communities so we see more of the good and bad stuff compared to people who don't.
The next reason is that Video games as a medium are a huge entertainment industry, probably have more fans than other industries, since they often sell more than movies. I think the "gamers are the worse" thing , comes from the fact there are more gamers and shared interests gains exposure to the bad, rather than they are generally worse people.
bobbychalkers
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As stupid and obvious as that concept is....I would play the shit out of that game.
soundscream
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Just watched Olympus Has Fallen, and despite horrible CG, horrible script, and the worst movie ending speech since Steger Segals environmental speech at the end of On Deadly Ground, it's an ok 80's throwback action movie.
Hopefully Mr. Fuqua can get some more resources for his next movie. He's like the only black director who's seems to get to work on bigger budget movies.
Hopefully Mr. Fuqua can get some more resources for his next movie. He's like the only black director who's seems to get to work on bigger budget movies.
EscoBlades
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I hope you kept that shit incase stuff got legal.
Yeah I use to think Comic fans were the worse, but they are just grumpy compared to video game fans. Folks still hurt over Fish's comments, imagine the break downs if they had to deal with comic writers.
Superstans and Thorbags are the most vocal, but the guys you have to worry about are the ones that are real into obscure characters.
Yea, saw the trailer on tv 2 days ago. Yuen Woo Ping choreography, Tony Leung, and Zhang Ziyi.....I'm in.
Also, Ipman 2 was trash
Games have been having their DC comics moment for quite some time now. If both Marvel and DC had been pulling New 52 level fuckups for the last 10 years, comic fans would be just as irate as gamers. I already see some parallels in the complaints of fans and in the defense of editors and publishers.
Man if a game company pulled something to Identity Crisis? Man Bish and the mods would have to testify in court.
R3TRO
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This got me lmao
Discotheque
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it's like most of OT hating AJ Soprano.
Damn. My granny had a saying, "throw a rock into a pack of dogs, and the one that gets hit hollers". Well, I'm hollering.
He's also a big proponent for getting rid of used games.
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