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The Black Culture Thread
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spindashing
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SoilBreak said:
Boombloxer
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Tokubetsu said:
He should've died a lot sooner. One of the worst Spidey stories ever written.
New Spidey isn't bad.
And shit like The Help can take a hike.
Kitschkraft
Member
Lebron said:Ah, I know I'm late, but it appears they have a bi-racial(half black half Latino) Spiderman now? Miles Morales. I had no idea prior to hearing this guy rant about it at work lol.
Latino and Hispanic aren't races, they're cultures.
The majority of people from Latin America and the Caribbean are mixtures of black African, White European, and Amerindians.
Beyond that, Marvel is clearly pandering to a minority audience. I heard that this new Spider-Man is also gay.
Zoramon089
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Measley said:
Well, I guess rolling up as many minorities into one is easier than developing multiple characters...
MWS Natural
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The large majority of GAF is white and many share many of the same preconceived notions and ignorance. You can say I shouldn't group many posters together because not everyone thinks/acts the same but thread after thread after thread says otherwise.SmokyDave said:
DragonKnight
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Londa said:
Meh...*looks at Idris*
lightless_shado
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Kitschkraft said:
Paul Mooney is like a saint of this thread.
Edit: While I'm here, any Law and Order SVU fans here? Episode 22 of season 12 WATCH IT. If you don't watch SVU, you'll want to after that episode. Amazing.
Terrence Howard guest stars in the episode.
Boombloxer
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Tokubetsu said:
No, he was Peter's lesser, inferior counterpart in every way. Again, the day he went to Hell's Cobweb was a great one. Fuck him.
That's the LA crossover episode, right?
He was the best thing about that show, by far.
im curious. why do you who like this idea of an interracial spider man see this as a good idea? am i the only one who feels insulted? its feels to me like its saying that black or latino characters cant work unless they have a popular title attached to them. and the sad part is that by what ive seen of minority characters, this seems to be truth
i dont feel any more insulted than i usually do as a female comic book readerParallax said:
and it is the truth - the audience for black characters with leading roles just isn't there. even worse, superheroes in general don't get popular anymore unless attached to an already popular hero, not just minorities.
but yeah, when McDuffie spoke about that "Rule of Three" thing, he sure as hell wasn't talking out of his ass.
Zoramon089
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SmokyDave said:
I'm not saying I agree with him but an ASTOUNDING number of people still don't realize that black people vary in skin tone...if they're light they must be mixed to them
MWS Natural
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Expected reply is expected. Funny how you are always in those same threads telling shitty jokes while ignoring all of ignorance in them.SmokyDave said:
KidGalactus
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Parallax said:
It's a fairly neutral move. Spider-Man is an idea about bravery and responsibility and his race doesn't really contribute much, if anything to his character one way or the other.
On the one hand, the new Spider-Man being black IS an attempt by Marvel to stir the pot up a little and offend the sensibility of its base.
On the other hand, it doesn't really matter if Spider-Man is black, white, asian or any other race. So long as he's a kid from New York who finds himself confronted by his own power and learns to be brave and responsible as a result, and also he can stick to walls, it's a Spider-man story.
I think people sometimes get caught up in the idea that something is being taken away from them. What they don't realize is that they love Peter Parker, not his whiteness.
Unfortunately, now Ultimate Peter Parker is dead, so let's give the new kid a whack at it. Maybe he's interesting and you'll love him too.
Satchwar said:
mcduffie was sadly well aware of the state of comics. and some of the responses about his initial picks for his jl title were very shocking. mainly because i didnt know comic book fans thought that way. but the state of black characters in comics is overall sad. i cant think of 5 black superheroes, but unfortunately, i know the reason for that one
KidGalactus said:
why does he have to be from new york? why does he have to learn about power and responsibility? despite what people think, spider man is nothing more than an identity. the lessons and personality are all that of peter parker himself. whats the point of changing the persona of a character if to have them fall into the same tropes as the character that preceeded him? the sad fact of this is if miles was in a different costume unrelated to any of this, no one would give a damn, but because hes taking the place of a popularized white character this is a good thing. im not saying miles wont be a good character(seeing as how i havent been able to read anything involved) but i would rather he be a different character. but then again, the ultimate universe is a gigantic storyline failure, so i highly doubt i would be reading much involved with miles.
lightless_shado
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Boombloxer said:
I think he's actually showed up multiple times through the season. The old DA Kara Novak(totally forgot the actor's name that plays her) also shows up. I don't want to spoil the plot, but I suggest you guys definitely check out the episode.
KidGalactus
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Parallax said:
Because, little brother, those are the themes of Spider-man. Those are the things that Spider-man is about.
Miles Morales will deal with these things in his own way, I'm sure, but he will deal with them just the same.
Sure, there are some social issue surrounding the dearth of popular black super heroes and it's sad that there is, but the answer to rectifying that is not to whine about it, but to create compelling black characters, who have defining traits other than being black.
Also, you must not be thinking very hard. I can think of more than five black superheroes from Marvel alone.
bgassassin
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Parallax said:
I don't see it that way considering they have other well known characters of color. I just see it as a shake up to the Spiderman character. Do you feel the same way about John Stewart?
spindashing said:
Yeah and it wasn't like I was in it everyday either. My face is finally trying to lighten up though.
bgassassin said:
the green lantern corp is a different matter altogether. he exists alongside hal, kyle, guy and many other green lanterns. and even then, its not like hal was the first green lantern anyway. if there was a spider man corps, i wouldnt have a problem with this, but this is obvious sensationalism.
lightless_shado
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Parallax said:
I don't think he meant anything by it. He probably thinks he's older than most of us.
The thing that actually surprises me about this is the fact that he's replacing an existing character without necessarily being a new character. When there was a black Captain America he wasn't really known as 'Captain America'( but to be honest the only good thing to come out of that small series was Patriot)
See Patriot for all intents and purposes is a black Captain America, but he's his own character with his own name. Same thing with white tiger(latin black panther) I don't understand why marvel couldn't try that with him.
In fact, there's a character that has similar powers to spider man, but she's a latina. I don't think she has her own series. The point is, marvel tends to create minority versions of existing characters but they make them unique, so I guess you could be right when you say that this is just some kind of a publicity stunt.
EDIT: While I'm here, is anyone still interested in renovating the front page? I was thinking we could use the same logo as the one used by the google+ and facebook group page, but instead make it a collage of the faces of many great black people and aspects of black culture.
sort of like this:
http://www.shapecollage.com/collages/collage-apple.jpg
except with the images of well known black people and products of black culture
bgassassin
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Parallax said:
Ok, that helps me see better how you view it. I think that with characters like Spawn, Blade, and Black Panther, we've seen them being able to stand on their own as original characters.
Big Baybee
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SmokyDave said:
Imm0rt4l said:
wow
Zoramon089 said:
To be fair, a lot of Sub-Saharan Africans you see are naturally quite dark-skinned. I am mixed race, and have tended to see light-skinned Africans as having some admixture. Some of my own black family are of the 'high yellow' skin tone and their father was white. My family came from Jamaica though where very few are actually pure. I guess this confuses the issue somewhat. I suppose it is ignorance on my part a little, but understandable considering that is generally the case in the Caribbean and parts of South America. I will stress this has nothing to do with how they are classed. They are generally classed as black.
There certainly are ethnic groups within Sub-Saharan Africa that are of the yellow skin variety. The Shinasha are mentioned.
Yeah I just got done reading that. Like white people really give a damn about marriage issues in the black community.
EDIT: Black woman posted this in the comments section:
http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2011/04/16/white-mens-hostility-to-black-women-a-deeper-look/
EDIT: Black woman posted this in the comments section:
http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2011/04/16/white-mens-hostility-to-black-women-a-deeper-look/
MisterOmegaOne
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i dont think interracial marriages is the way to run to
Bay Maximus
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MisterOmegaOne said:
Could you expound upon this?
lightless_shado
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Bay Maximus said:
I think he's implying that it would be basically "giving up" on black men if black women decided that if they can't find a black man, they'll just date a white man or a man from any other ethnicity.
But the problem is, that it can be said that most people from other ethnicities aren't even interested in black women. I know there are charts out there with data from other sources, but even here on GAF threads about black women are well...messy.
Zoramon089
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leadbelly said:
Yeah, but a lot of western African people can be light skinned as well without having any mixed ancestry in them. I'm Nigerian and I'm pretty light (like Chris Brown color) and when I went there I saw people as light as me
Pretty sure I already said this, but the reason on-point black men are not choosing black women is the same reason other races of men don't choose black women. This idea that lets say white guys are going to accept BW and all their negative traits and behavior is stupid. Notice how in the article once again *rolls eyes* they never asked an on-point BM, "Hey brotha why don't choose BW."
I'm not sure what part you did not understand. If the majority of BW are overweight or obese and BM are not down with that then trying to date outside the race is not going to fix BW's "problem" because you can sure as hell believe that other races of men are not going to put up with that. If the majority of BW were raised in households with just mom and they don't know how to treat a man or believe they need to be "strong and independant" then dating outside is not going to be an option. And then there is the issue of generational wealth and legacy that is much more important in other communities. Hell in the article there are BW who just want to keep it black for that very reason but for some reason they never think that it would be an issue on the otherside of the fence.Satchwar said:
EDIT: I guess I will go ahead and shoehorn in here kids out of wedlock and atittude as two other issues that BW have. All of the above are the main reasons that BW are not being chosen. This is why BM with their heads screwed on straight have no problem jumping the fence, because the things that they want in a woman are more normal in other communities.
EDIT2: If you are a great wonderful BW with none of the above problems then you STILL have to deal with BW's fucked up reputation.
lightless_shado
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Zoramon089 said:
Yeah we range in various tones over in Nigeria, especially those in the north. Much of my family is pretty light skinned. I was watching a documentary about Sudan and they had an aspect where they were talking about Arabs living there, the Arabs were darker than me and I'd say I'm the same shade as Idris Elba lol
We have all shades in Africa, just like how Asians come in different shades and white people can range from pale to very tan.
lightless_shado
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Veidt said:
I honestly don't know, but I speak bits of the language and can understand it.
My Father is Fulani and according to my mother that makes me Fulani, my mother belongs to some obscure clan that isn't even listed in wikipedia. People on my dad's side can speak the Fula language, but I can't.
For those curious on what Fulani people look like:
link
Bonus:
Our former president was a Fulani man.
We have it set up so that a member of one ethnic group must hold the presidency at least once every 20 years and he should have someone from another major ethnic group in his cabinet.
The article states that many of the interviewed white men respond to black women the way that they do because of limited exposure to black women and callously perpetuated stereotypes that harm the image of black women as a whole.SSJ1Goku said:
One of the men interviewed even states that the only way he'd see a black woman as attractive is if she had typically white or asian features, and spoke as a white or asian woman does.
I think you should read the comments section of the article you linked, because some of the people leaving feedback managed to further expand on those points. I'm not sure if you realize that there's more to all of this than you'd like to give credit to, and I'm also not sure of whether or not you're open to that being the case.