And that Indie comics thread he made to shit in capes comics... what a tool. I bet he still has an alt here too.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
The Black Culture Thread
- Thread starter U5230
- Start date
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I, for one, welcome our comic thread overlords. In fact, I highly recommend it!
Good Job Bob
Member
Nah probably making time with his Asian chick.
spindashing
Banned
what i don't read comics though
I rarely read comics/manga anymore.
"Everybody wants to be a nigga, but nobody wants to be a nigga"
"Everybody wants to be a nigga, but nobody wants to be a nigga"
Back in like 2003, now Hipster white kid seems to be the in thing.
EDIT:
Skinny jeans ugh
Good Job Bob
Member
Who knew we'd see the amalgamation of hipster and gangster?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Once it became hip to like hip-hop, it was only a matter of time.
You can't blame LL. He's can't be responsible for all this
I got into an argument with my improv teacher about black actors in general and Red Tails specifically. The conversation started as a class discussion on media roles and types over time. He brought up Red Tails, saying that the "Hollywood wouldn't fund an all-black cast" is just a marketing ploy. I said that white people don't want to see movies with a mostly black cast, referring to a study from a thread on a similar topic. He went on to claim that of the bankable actors in hollywood, half are black, which is ridiculous. I usually don't get riled up during race discussions, but he just sounded ridiculous.
Good Job Bob
Member
Isn't the reason Hollywood so wary to fund majority black/minority films because of worldwide appeal, not American appeal?
Lionheart1337
Member
Good Job Bob
Member
Only others I could think of are Samuel Jackson and Halle Berry.
Pinko Marx
Banned
Eddie Murphy has world wide appeal.
Al-ibn Kermit
Junior Member
Eddie Murphy AND Dan Akroyd were the stars in that movie. You can't just say that because Eddie Murphy is popular, that an all black-cast makes financial sense to a big movie studio.
Unless...
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
You know whats fucked up about this list? Everyone is over 40, All of em' had to really put in work to even where they are now, and they don't even do blockbusters, but very notable and respected actors. Can we let some of the up an coming actors get some shine rather than have the go to black actors for a role? Preferrably someone that isn't a rapper and has put work into their craft, cuz I'm sure they're out there.
Yeah that is sad...
Even worse is the younger generation. I couldn't even name a black actor or actress under 25.
Good Job Bob
Member
Ahh, okay; but that's one guy..Pinko Marx said:
Lionheart1337
Member
Wowzers....no WAY that shit would fly today....hahahaha.
Interesting question. How many "leads" are there, in Hollywood, at the scale we're discussing?
You've named 5 (without counting any of the up-and-comers). If we assume a standard distribution throughout the US populace, we can calculate a standard total one should see in a non-biased pool operating on random selection. According to the latest data, African Americans represent 12.3% of the US populace, down from 14.8% in 2000. Thus, there should be ~36 (35.65) similarly important white and other ethnic stars in Hollywood (with no standard deviation calculable, of course).
Without doing any further analysis, I suspect a list that long could be made.
FreeMufasa
Junior Member
Damn........I think the Red Tails thread is worse than the Bus thread. I was thinking it would be people discussing the movie but the last few pages are brutal. I just wasn't ready for that shit.
Hmm that's interesting. I'm from the UK and in my experience, middle-easterners/Arabs have been pretty welcoming. Being a muslim myself, we've always had that in similar.
Although when I was in the middle-east (Egypt, Dubai, Arabia) It did seem like the African immigrants were treated like shit. They probably think they can still treat them like shit in Austrailia unfortunately.
EDIT: Oh mostly Persians and Afghans. All the Persians i've met have been westernised and chill. I have heard shit about Afghans being extremely racist to black people here though.
Hmm that's interesting. I'm from the UK and in my experience, middle-easterners/Arabs have been pretty welcoming. Being a muslim myself, we've always had that in similar.
Although when I was in the middle-east (Egypt, Dubai, Arabia) It did seem like the African immigrants were treated like shit. They probably think they can still treat them like shit in Austrailia unfortunately.
EDIT: Oh mostly Persians and Afghans. All the Persians i've met have been westernised and chill. I have heard shit about Afghans being extremely racist to black people here though.
computers putin'
Member
Whatever happened to Derek Luke? Dude had star potential but I don't see him anywhere anymore.
I'd actually be interested in seeing such a study. I highly doubt that the number of minorities in Hollywood is representative of the people in the US. Asians especially have it bad. I would find it refreshing to see a film with an Asian lead or a Latino leads, and I'm not talking about ethnocentric roles. I mean just normal roles where the Main guy/gal just so happens to be Latino/black/asian, ones where the race of the character doesn't matter to the story. Being able to do this makes people who look different seem less alien. When I watch a movie with a white protagonist, I don't look at him as a white guy, just a guy.
What was his last movie? Notorious?
soundscream
Member
You make a good point there. Black movigoers dont discriminate, they watch all types of movies. I don't go into see a movie like Drive hoping to see a black actor I can identify with, I just go to see an interesting story.
But if the movie or tv show has a majority black cast it seems to have the opposite effect, unless its a comedy.
A show like the wire would have been huge if it was mostly a white cast.
The wire would have won emmys out the ass if it had a white cast, it's criminal.
Same thing that happened to anthony mackie I guess. There's no room in hollywood for them unless they want to be in Tyler Perry flicks.
Good Job Bob
Member
Blaming Hollywood for the low prevalence of blacks in film is like blaming the NBA for the low prevalence of whites in basketball.
I think it's a huge red herring, we should look at statistics of how many black students are attending courses related to film and tv compared to white students.
Again, I ask where is the black indie film community that Hollywood is stifling the creativity of so much?
I think it's a huge red herring, we should look at statistics of how many black students are attending courses related to film and tv compared to white students.
Again, I ask where is the black indie film community that Hollywood is stifling the creativity of so much?
soundscream
Member
I don't blame Hollywood, I blame the people who consume what they produce.
Good Job Bob
Member
I'm sorry but that's a huge pile of nonsense
I'm not going to stop watching films because the amount of blacks in them don't line up perfectly to demographics, are you crazy?
soundscream
Member
who said you had to stop watching films? I said I dont blame Hollywood for not making more predominately black films because it's a business they need to make money. My point wad that I blame people who won't see a movie because the cast is mostly black.
Good Job Bob
Member
Garbage like Tyler Perry movies are specifically made and targeted towards a specific audience, can you really blame people outside of that audience being uninterested in them?
soundscream
Member
I'm not talking about crap like that, I wouldn't watch that if you paid me.
Lets use the wire as an example. That show should have been bigger than the sopranos but it wasn't. Can you provide a reason for it not being more successful other then it featured a majority black cast?
Good Job Bob
Member
The reason for The Wire's modest ratings should be clear cut to anyone, it's a slow-paced show.
The reason for The Wire's awards? I have no clue. But before you blame white people and their prejudice remember that The Wire never won any NAACP awards either.
Award shows always get it wrong anyways, regardless of the race of the cast involved.
Thanks for the reply. I don't know if the African workers are Muslim or not, they are from East Africa mostly si it is possible.
Anyway, thanks all.
Good thing Tyler Perry has nothing to do with Red Tails then. It should do well.
It's about crossover appeal, and things not being given the chance to cross over. If people pushed black films like they did gangsta rap in the 90s, Hollywood would burst right open. The 'we don't know how to sell it' statement is just an excuse, because they can form focus groups and test audiences for any screen idea and learn how to market it, but unless there's a white person to focus on, they won't even try. It becomes a 'black film' for 'black people', even if it's a historically accurate set piece with white actors and a black main cast, its still not enough. Or even worse, the whites are diminished, or the kiss of death, they're portrayed in a negative light. The Red Tails and Red Balls served with white soldiers, but those are stories of the heroism of black servicemen, not the redemption of white characters, so obviously, "...who would want to see this movie? There's no audience for it. We can't sell it."
And now the discussion itself is a race card play and a marketing ploy?
CapnHaddockOhwow.gif
edit:
pretty gottdamn sure Lucas didn't ask for dubstep for his WW2 film ads. "Gotta sell to that 'urban' demographic!"
It's about crossover appeal, and things not being given the chance to cross over. If people pushed black films like they did gangsta rap in the 90s, Hollywood would burst right open. The 'we don't know how to sell it' statement is just an excuse, because they can form focus groups and test audiences for any screen idea and learn how to market it, but unless there's a white person to focus on, they won't even try. It becomes a 'black film' for 'black people', even if it's a historically accurate set piece with white actors and a black main cast, its still not enough. Or even worse, the whites are diminished, or the kiss of death, they're portrayed in a negative light. The Red Tails and Red Balls served with white soldiers, but those are stories of the heroism of black servicemen, not the redemption of white characters, so obviously, "...who would want to see this movie? There's no audience for it. We can't sell it."
And now the discussion itself is a race card play and a marketing ploy?
CapnHaddockOhwow.gif
edit:
pretty gottdamn sure Lucas didn't ask for dubstep for his WW2 film ads. "Gotta sell to that 'urban' demographic!"
soundscream
Member
........ Ok.
Good Job Bob
Member
I think Red Tails is gonna do fine, but even if it didn't does race have to be the unanimous factor in it's bombing? Are their not films with majority white casts that bomb as well? Maybe it's because the film sucks (haven't seen it yet, but 33% on RT), maybe it's because the film's marketing campaign sucked (dubstep, take dat mistuh hitluh), etc
Where's the indie community of black filmmakers that Hollywood can push and exploit? It doesn't exist like the rap scene back in the 90s so that analogy is broken.
What's up with what I posted? If The Wire's award situation was fully to blame on white people why didn't it win any NAACP awards?
EDIT:
Their are other films that were marketed with dubstep that don't feature majority black casts, it's kind of a thing now.
Black indies will show up. They have in the past. Not met with much success or appeal though. Once you make a movie, you still have to find a distributor and a way to make back all that money you borrowed. You pretty much have to bet your life on your projects. I could go out tomorrow and get a film pushed about accepted "Black" subjects "intended" for a "black" "audience". But I'd be pretty limited because black filmmakers themselves are typecast.
Maybe the son of Spike Lee could go out and make thoughtful films about dreamy subjects in foreign countries. Maybe success of people like Steve McQueen will push more potential black filmmakers into taking a chance instead of going directly into 9to5 type workaday life. But it's risky and with the numbers involved, not very many are set to make that gamble. I see plenty of direct to video small time black films, completely under the radar of Hollywood, or maybe just on their ignore list. Some guy was out front of the liquor store pushing his gangster epic a few weeks ago.
also, hey, jerk, no one is blaming "white people." I see people blaming the situation surrounding the issue.
Maybe the son of Spike Lee could go out and make thoughtful films about dreamy subjects in foreign countries. Maybe success of people like Steve McQueen will push more potential black filmmakers into taking a chance instead of going directly into 9to5 type workaday life. But it's risky and with the numbers involved, not very many are set to make that gamble. I see plenty of direct to video small time black films, completely under the radar of Hollywood, or maybe just on their ignore list. Some guy was out front of the liquor store pushing his gangster epic a few weeks ago.
also, hey, jerk, no one is blaming "white people." I see people blaming the situation surrounding the issue.
Good Job Bob
Member
Now you're just stating the problems for any upcoming filmmaker.
Anyways, like I said I'd love to see the statistics of blacks taking film related courses; rather than just blaming the problem on Hollywood or audiences..theirs simply so much more at factor here than those two, just like their are in regards to the overwhelming prevalence of blacks in sports.
Kay, but my point about the NAACP - The Wire still stands so clearly more factors than "the situation around the issue" must be at play.
Good Job Bob
Member
You could say the same about the Emmy's.