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[suaveric]

I thought for sure that Two Face was going to kill Gordon's son. In most of the comic versions of Gordon, he only has a daughter, right? So I thought they were going to bring his family back in to line with those comics.

 

[Raguel]

Posted this in the rottenwatch thread, but probably should post here since it contains spoilers.


Saw it last night at 10:45. Still don't know how the theater got away with showing it before midnight since every other theater I checked had 12:01 showings. Oh well, I guess I won!

Anyway, the movie was pretty good. A couple of editing problems, but I think that might have been because of the dead dude. For instance, the scene when the Joker throws that cunt out the window at the party and Batman jumps out after her, they crash into a car and then the next scene takes place the next day. What the hell happened to the Joker? He just gave up looking for Harvey and left? Why didn't they show that? LAME!

I also felt that Two Face didn't get enough screen time. Probably should have saved him for the sequel. I think they were shooting for a sequel with the Joker, seeing as how he didn't die, but that's not going to happen now!

One Final comment. I am SICK of hearing on the internet, tv, etc. how Ledger was UNBELIEVABLE and will win an Oscar. Don't get me wrong. He was good, but not nearly as good as the tools in the media have made him out to be. If he was still alive, no one would say shit.

I love how you eloquently use that word to describe an important character that affected the outcome of the movie. Way to go. And the joker used Rachel as a means to escape, so one would assume that, you know, joker escaped.

 

[Weenerz]

I bet Two-face somehow survived, they never really showed his funeral. Just Gordon talking about people and he was up there too. They probably faked his death and threw his ass in jail.

 

[Dirtbag]

I don't know how Nolan plans on following this movie. I want more, but I think any sequel is bound to be a major disapointment at this pont. That was the first action flick that was truelly oscar worthy.

Ledger's death is such a tragedy. I remember reading that the joker was suppose to be in the third and final batman movie, but at this point, no one is going to follow that performance.

 

[WickedAngel]

No, joker set up each ferry with a remote to detonate the other ferry. Whoever detonates the other ferry survives. That's why the inmate did the honorable thing and threw the detonator away, thereby saving the civilian ferry

Exactly. His entire MO was to show people just how terrible they can truly be and he had to have visible repercussions waiting for them if he was going to reach that goal. He wanted to show Batman that he was a mere mortal by making him pick between his love and the savior of the city and set it up in a way that would allow Batman to choose Rachel and still lose her (Via the swapped addresses). He wanted to break the city by showing that their white knight was just as corruptible as the rest of them via the same scheme. He wanted to break the individual by showing their nature when presented with the choice to murder or die.

None of his goals could be accomplished if the intended target died. He was just as much a psychological threat as he was a physical one.

 

[crisdecuba]

This has been asked before, but I couldn't see anyone come up with a plausible answer: why did they have to blame Batman for the people Harvey killed? Why couldn't they blame the Joker or one of his thugs?

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

This has been asked before, but I couldn't see anyone come up with a plausible answer: why did they have to blame Batman for the people Harvey killed? Why couldn't they blame the Joker or one of his thugs?

My guess is that Joker was clearly a little too wrapped with the hostage situation to kill all those people, especially random police officers. I dunno. Someone who has their senses together will put the pieces together better than i can right. I'm still reeling from the film.

 

[Lion Heart]

This movie should have been the final in the trilogy. It should have ended with Joker, there is no way the next film can be as good. But damn, fuck, win, speechless, sad, etc

 

[Frester]

Was there a solid reason for Scarecrow's cameo? Don't get me wrong, I loved him in Batman Begins (which I rewatched Wednesday night), but he really didn't add anything to The Dark Knight. Why was he even dealing what would presumably be the hallucinogen from the first movie? It's not like he has a motive or a boss for that kind of thing anymore.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

This movie should have been the final in the trilogy. It should have ended with Joker, there is no way the next film can be as good. But damn, fuck, win, speechless, sad, etc

Nolan played all the cards in his hand. I mean, once you ride the batpod up a wall just to turn around with it, WHERE THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU GO FROM THERE?

 

[Dirtbag]

This movie should have been the final in the trilogy. It should have ended with Joker, there is no way the next film can be as good. But damn, fuck, win, speechless, sad, etc

Totally agree.

I don't know if Nolan should even make the third one now.

 

[Keylime]

Totally agree.

I don't know if Nolan should even make the third one now.

No no...he has to...otherwise some other douchebag will.

 

[woodchuck]

Not sure if this was covered yet, but I don't want to forget about it: there was nothing convenient about the situation. Joker expected one of the two groups to kill the other, so he never really set a timer.

yeah, my bad. i didn't realize that the joker actually had to push a separate button instead of just turning the key

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Was there a solid reason for Scarecrow's cameo? Don't get me wrong, I loved him in Batman Begins (which I rewatched Wednesday night), but he really didn't add anything to The Dark Knight. Why was he even dealing what would presumably be the hallucinogen from the first movie? It's not like he has a motive or a boss for that kind of thing anymore.

He was much like the mob he was dealing with - small time. It was to show the audience that Batman still has a force in the town to be reckoned with, and it's gonna need a lot more than the scarecrow to take him down.

also, we had to introduce the new suit and the dogs

 

[Darko]

No no...he has to...otherwise some other douchebag will.

Exactly and I will not watch unless it is helmed by the Nolan Brothers + Gouyer.

 

[Penguin]

Okay I was really think hard the first time and tried to count the second time.

Gordon says that Harvey killed 5 people.

I counted the dirty cop, Sal and his driver and maybe Dent himself. That would only make 4. Ramirez as far as I could tell only got slapped. So who am I missing?

 

[el Diablo]

Saw it last night at a 3:15 showing, didn't walk out of the theater till 6 AM :lol. As great as the movie was, and it was (i never once thought during the entire movie that it drug along, the pacing was incredible), i'm really really glad i got it out of the way in a 1/2 full theater. It's going to be a f'ng madhouse trying to watch it this weekend. Not only that but there were a couple of major plot twists that could have been spoiled that would really have taken alot of the enjoyment out of the movie for me (rachel dying and harvey going two-face).

I went on media blackout about 3 months ago for this movie so hadn't seen anything except the trailers that were shown on TV so i've got a question. Am i the only one that was shocked that Harvey actually turned into two-face in this movie? Had it been leaked on the net, were there other trailers or what? I mean i know HD is Two-face but i didn't actually think he'd turn into him in this movie. Figured it was a set-up, kind of like what they did with Dr. Conners (the lizard) in the Spiderman movies.

At any rate, the ONLY problem i had with the movie was that they killed Two-face. I really hate it when these superhero movies kill villains. Now if the hero kills then fine the finality works, but not if the guy is always taken alive and always turns them in. Ras was fine being killed in Begins since he ALWAYS ends up getting revived but killing Two-face was just a poor decision. IMO the single reason why Batman trumps all other comic book heroes is he has the absolute BEST villains, killing Two-face and not throwing him in Arkham just seems off.

Oh, one last thing. Saw the Terminator: Salvation trailer before DK. F*CKING HYPED

 

[woodchuck]

Okay I was really think hard the first time and tried to count the second time.

Gordon says that Harvey killed 5 people.

I counted the dirty cop, Sal and his driver and maybe Dent himself. That would only make 4. Ramirez as far as I could tell only got slapped. So who am I missing?

maybe he killed one of the cops that was originally stationed outside Gordon's house

 

[Xdrive05]

... I'm still reeling from the film.

Same here. WAY too much to take in in one night/morning. The wife and I saw the 3:15am IMAX show, our first IMAX btw, and I'm completely blown away. That movie worked on about 20 different levels. We're seeing it again in IMAX next week. Just... wow.

People hyped the shit out of Heath Ledger and they still missed the mark. New favorite villain and performance ever. EVER.

That's the first comic movie to hit me hard on an emotional level too. The ferry scene and how it turned out was the ultimate slap in the face to the Joker IMO. The Joker's assumption about the city was proven wrong in that case, and that hurt him far more than anything Batman could have done to him. But he ignores that to "do it himself," proving that, no, Mr. Joker, actually you are alone in your twisted aspirations sir. Your actions do not represent underpinnings of the population itself. At least that's what I got out of it. It could probably be read a few different ways. That was just such a cool scene.

There's so much more I could say but I have to get back to work.

 

[Keylime]

Okay I was really think hard the first time and tried to count the second time.

Gordon says that Harvey killed 5 people.

I counted the dirty cop, Sal and his driver and maybe Dent himself. That would only make 4. Ramirez as far as I could tell only got slapped. So who am I missing?

Gordan says 2 of them were cops.

Sal + Driver + Bad Cop = 2 non-cops, 1 cop.

I can't really think of anyone else really... I'll be sure to count next time I watch.

 

[rollingstart]

Yeah, this should be the last movie of Bale as Batman. The only movie that will work after this is a Dark Knight Returns adaptation using Begins/Dark Knight universe.

The only point in The Dark Knight when I was a bit let down was that I thought The Joker was actually going to cut the rope and kill himself almost like he did in DKR.

 

[mollipen]

Unless its in a commetary at some point we'll never know, but i'm convinced that Joker setup the ferry's bombs to blow up their own ship, and that the good civilians were going to blow themselves up.

Yup, I'm pretty much right there with you. That was what I was expecting the outcome to be, that the detonators where not in fact for the other boat, but their own.

 

[Shig]

Yup, I'm pretty much right there with you. That was what I was expecting the outcome to be, that the detonators where not in fact for the other boat, but their own.

Either that or it would blow them both.

 

[el Diablo]

On the topic of that ferry scene, part of me wanted Deebo to stand up and grab the detonator and say, "that's my detonator punk!". Man in any other movie it would have been perfect.

 

[Keylime]

Yup, I'm pretty much right there with you. That was what I was expecting the outcome to be, that the detonators where not in fact for the other boat, but their own.

Ah, I read the quote wrong.

It's quite possible, but we have no reason to think it was rigged one way or the other.

 

[Frester]

Saw it last night at a 3:15 showing, didn't walk out of the theater till 6 AM :lol. As great as the movie was, and it was (i never once thought during the entire movie that it drug along, the pacing was incredible), i'm really really glad i got it out of the way in a 1/2 full theater. It's going to be a f'ng madhouse trying to watch it this weekend. Not only that but there were a couple of major plot twists that could have been spoiled that would really have taken alot of the enjoyment out of the movie for me (rachel dying and harvey going two-face).

I went on media blackout about 3 months ago for this movie so hadn't seen anything except the trailers that were shown on TV so i've got a question. Am i the only one that was shocked that Harvey actually turned into two-face in this movie? Had it been leaked on the net, were there other trailers or what? I mean i know HD is Two-face but i didn't actually think he'd turn into him in this movie. Figured it was a set-up, kind of like what they did with Dr. Conners (the lizard) in the Spiderman movies.

At any rate, the ONLY problem i had with the movie was that they killed Two-face. I really hate it when these superhero movies kill villains. Now if the hero kills then fine the finality works, but not if the guy is always taken alive and always turns them in. Ras was fine being killed in Begins since he ALWAYS ends up getting revived but killing Two-face was just a poor decision. IMO the single reason why Batman trumps all other comic book heroes is he has the absolute BEST villains, killing Two-face and not throwing him in Arkham just seems off.

Oh, one last thing. Saw the Terminator: Salvation trailer before DK. F*CKING HYPED

There was a very brief clip in the trailers where Dent is riding in a car holding a pistol, and you can see that part of his face has been burned.

Also, this could just be me seeing something that wasn't there, but I thought he didn't die, and Gordon and Batman were trying to cover up what really happened since they didn't want Gotham to see their new knight-in-shining-armor DA go bad. Hence why Batman takes the blame.

 

[rollingstart]

On the topic of that ferry scene, part of me wanted Deebo to stand up and grab the detonator and say, "that's my detonator punk!". Man in any other movie it would have been perfect.

I thought that was actually going to happen, but I am glad it didn't. It was awesome that he was one of the criminals who understood what he did was wrong.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Ah, I read the quote wrong.

It's quite possible, but we have no reason to think it was rigged one way or the other.

true, but its the joker and you take nothing he says at face value

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I can't believe a film has made me take Deebo seriously as an actor.


MOTHER FUCKIN DEEBO

 

[TheSonicRetard]

WHY SO SERIOUS?!

 

[el Diablo]

Also, this could just be me seeing something that wasn't there, but I thought he didn't die, and Gordon and Batman were trying to cover up what really happened since they didn't want Gotham to see their new knight-in-shining-armor DA go bad. Hence why Batman takes the blame.

You know, i'm ashamed that i actually didn't think of that possibility. My mind just wouldn't look past the fact that he looked dead and they were saying he was dead, guess i needed to see someone else say it (type it). I mean slim chance, but at least now my dream of the supervillains of Arkham being let loose on Gotham hasn't totally been squashed.

Frester you are the man!

 

[Hitokage]

Ah....you were in my theater! I was on my way home and told my buddy that I had a bad joke, but that we could honestly tell people it was so good it sent people in to seizures. I followed that up by saying, "I am going straight to hell". He looked at me and said, "no, the guy that shushed is going straight to hell!"

Indeed, what's more important to people, a fellow human being in distress or a movie? I guess people just stop caring when they're convinced the situation is "handled"...

...and things go "according to plan".

 

[TheSonicRetard]

Also, the only villain I could possibly see being in Batman 3 would be The Mad Hatter. The TV shows made him less insane, but he was originally one of the darkest villains ever.

 

[Xdrive05]

You wanna know how I got these scars?

 

[MiamiWesker]

Also, this could just be me seeing something that wasn't there, but I thought he didn't die, and Gordon and Batman were trying to cover up what really happened since they didn't want Gotham to see their new knight-in-shining-armor DA go bad. Hence why Batman takes the blame.

Thats what I got out of that scene. Never once did Harvey dying enter my mind until gaf started talking about it. No one in my party last night thought Two-Face died either.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

You wanna know how I got these scars?

I had a wife....can you believe that? ME? A WIFE?

 

[TheSonicRetard]

You wanna know how I got these scars?

Lets put a smile on that face!

 

[el Diablo]

Also, the only villain I could possibly see being in Batman 3 would be The Mad Hatter. The TV shows made him less insane, but he was originally one of the darkest villains ever.

Lots of good villains to choose from, the difficult part is bringing them to the screen in a realistic manner. IE: Penguin, Bane, Mr. Freeze.

Personally i'd like to see the last one go in the direction of the No Man's Land arc. Would be pretty much imposible though since no other heroes have been introduced.

 

[Zeliard]

One Final comment. I am SICK of hearing on the internet, tv, etc. how Ledger was UNBELIEVABLE and will win an Oscar. Don't get me wrong. He was good, but not nearly as good as the tools in the media have made him out to be. If he was still alive, no one would say shit.

Such bullshit. I fucking hate posts like this. If Heath gets nominated and/or wins the Oscar, it will be fully merited. The performance was astonishing and he completely buried himself in the role. Compare Heath's Joker to any one of his other performances. Hardly seems like the same actor. He's virtually unrecognizable.

If you want to get into the technicalities of it, his dialogue delivery and comedic timing were hilariously perfect (the guy was able to get huge laughs out of simple one-word utterances), his physical acting was impeccable (i.e. the nurse's outfit, which I'm still laughing at), he filled the character with various ticks and idiosyncrasies that made him unique and stand out from pretty much every villain we've seen, his screen presence was enormous and his impact was felt throughout the film even though he had little screen time overall. He managed to convey both pure sadism but also a twisted morality that sort of made sense. It was a darkly humorous, complex and brilliant performance.

The problem now is that after Heath is nominated, we'll be hearing idiots whining about people "worshipping the dead" and such, when people are simply worshipping a great performance. Heath's Joker would have dominated the film and dominated discussion about the film with or without his death. If you can't see that, you're blind.

 

[jett]

Exactly and I will not watch unless it is helmed by the Nolan Brothers + Gouyer.

David Goyer is fail. Next one should be a Jonathan and Chris Nolan sexclusive.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Such bullshit. I fucking hate posts like this. If Heath gets nominated and/or wins the Oscar, it will be fully merited. The performance was astonishing and he completely buried himself in the role. Compare Heath's Joker to any one of his other performances. Hardly seems like the same actor. He's virtually unrecognizable.

If you want to get into the technicalities of it, his dialogue delivery and comedic timing were hilariously perfect (the guy was able to get huge laughs out of simple one-word utterances), his physical acting was impeccable (i.e. the nurse's outfit, which I'm still laughing at), he filled the character with various ticks and idiosyncrasies that made him unique and stand out from pretty much every villain we've seen, his screen presence was enormous and his impact was felt throughout the film even though he had little screen time overall. He managed to convey both pure sadism but also a twisted morality that sort of made sense. It was a darkly humorous, complex and brilliant performance.

The problem now is that after Heath is nominated, we'll be hearing idiots whining about people "worshipping the dead" and such, when people are simply worshipping a great performance. Heath's Joker would have dominated the film and dominated discussion about the film with or without his death. If you can't see that, you're blind.

Amen.

 

[Broadbandito]

There was a very brief clip in the trailers where Dent is riding in a car holding a pistol, and you can see that part of his face has been burned.

Also, this could just be me seeing something that wasn't there, but I thought he didn't die, and Gordon and Batman were trying to cover up what really happened since they didn't want Gotham to see their new knight-in-shining-armor DA go bad. Hence why Batman takes the blame.

this sounds 100%

 

[TheSonicRetard]

Lots of good villains to choose from, the difficult part is bringing them to the screen in a realistic manner. IE: Penguin, Bane, Mr. Freeze.

Personally i'd like to see the last one go in the direction of the No Man's Land arc. Would be pretty much imposible though since no other heroes have been introduced.

Thats what I mean. Penguin, Bane, and Mr Freeze... they're all good characters (and in Mr. Freeze's instance, he has a great backstory), but they just don't fit in Nolan's realistic-ish world. The Mad Hatter, now he'd really fit into the dark twisted world Nolan has created.

The Mad Hatter as a psychopath who abducts and tortures women is more realistic than a man with a freeze ray.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

David Goyer is fail. Next one should be a Jonathan and Chris Nolan sexclusive.

Really, I don't think Goyer had much to do at all with this script. He 'laid out the template' but then, quite clearly, the Nolans flipped the script. They made a totally different film from BB. the way I see it, Goyer was just their to hold their hands during BB. With TDK, the Nolans stood out on their own.

 

[thebagofsand]

The last part of the movie gave me shivers. So awesome.

 

[el Diablo]

Thats what I got out of that scene. Never once did Harvey dying enter my mind until gaf started talking about it. No one in my party last night thought Two-Face died either.

I assumed the exact opposite because usually Batman's villains are taken into custody and checked back into Arkham and it's public knowledge. By having the whole fake funeral deal it's basically locking up Harv and throwing away the key. I suppose in the alive scenario, when he were to get out of Arkham it'd all fall on the government for hiding the real story and lying. Works i guess, but would be pretty sloppy.

 

[Broadbandito]

Amen.

will second that. Fuck the haters

 

[MiamiWesker]

Such bullshit. I fucking hate posts like this. If Heath gets nominated and/or wins the Oscar, it will be fully merited. The performance was astonishing and he completely buried himself in the role. Compare Heath's Joker to any one of his other performances. Hardly seems like the same actor. He's virtually unrecognizable.

If you want to get into the technicalities of it, his dialogue delivery and comedic timing were hilariously perfect (the guy was able to get huge laughs out of simple one-word utterances), his physical acting was impeccable (i.e. the nurse's outfit, which I'm still laughing at), he filled the character with various ticks and idiosyncrasies that made him unique and stand out from pretty much every villain we've seen, his screen presence was enormous and his impact was felt throughout the film even though he had little screen time overall. He managed to convey both pure sadism but also a twisted morality that sort of made sense. It was a darkly humorous, complex and brilliant performance.

The problem now is that after Heath is nominated, we'll be hearing idiots whining about people "worshipping the dead" and such, when people are simply worshipping a great performance. Heath's Joker would have dominated the film and dominated discussion about the film with or without his death. If you can't see that, you're blind.

This.

Seriously, how can you watch that performance and not think Oscar worthy. That was some of the best acting I have ever seen because he was not there, there was no actor, just the Joker.

 

[jett]

Really, I don't think Goyer had much to do at all with this script. He 'laid out the template' but then, quite clearly, the Nolans flipped the script. They made a totally different film from BB. the way I see it, Goyer was just their to hold their hands during BB. With TDK, the Nolans stood out on their own.

No doubt.

 

[Broadbandito]

This.

Seriously, how can you watch that performance and not think Oscar worthy. That was some of the best acting I have ever seen because he was not there, there was no actor, just the Joker.

For sure. it was the joker. Heath was amazing, he looked and sounded like someone else believeable.