The Dark Knight SPOILER THREAD
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Did anyone else find it weird that a semi orange haired accountant found out who batman was? I know it used for the sake of the movie so the Joker had an excuse to go to the hospitals, but I was arguing in the car that it could be a foreshadowing for the Riddler. Though they couldn't really use such an ordinary looking man to play the part I guess.
It would be perfect if his name was Nashton or whatever, but anyone else think about that?
It would be perfect if his name was Nashton or whatever, but anyone else think about that?
SCULLIBUNDO
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exarkun said:
The Riddler can fuck right off after we got the Joker.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Seriously though, Zombie Rachel or Alfred on strike should be the next villain.
roosters93
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Broadbandito said:
Definitely.
TDK is darker, sadder and better.
Hunt the Dark Knight would be an awesome title!
My fucked up idea is that both the mob and police hunt Batman down in the next film.
Gotham finally unites for one thing which is to capture Batman.
I feel bad for Wayne but it makes for exciting storytelling seeing the hero become the villian.
Scullibundo said:
:lol
TheDarkKnight774
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Another great moment was the fact they had Gordon Capture Joker and save Batman
Its so great to see Gordon shown as the badass cop he is in mainstream movies. And not an idiot who just calls the red phone or flips a light on.
Other geeky things. Was Bullock in the film? They had a guy in it who was gruff looking and drinking beer that could be him. I'm also surprised Ramirez wasn't cast as Montoya. I'm guessing the reason why they changed it was because she was corrupt, and they didn't want to do that to her character
Also what about Bane in the third movie? The Bane character from Nightfall who was strong but also very smart. A character that figures out who batman is and attacks him by wearing him down and then breaks him. Although this probably wouldn't work as a single film.....
Its so great to see Gordon shown as the badass cop he is in mainstream movies. And not an idiot who just calls the red phone or flips a light on.
Other geeky things. Was Bullock in the film? They had a guy in it who was gruff looking and drinking beer that could be him. I'm also surprised Ramirez wasn't cast as Montoya. I'm guessing the reason why they changed it was because she was corrupt, and they didn't want to do that to her character
Also what about Bane in the third movie? The Bane character from Nightfall who was strong but also very smart. A character that figures out who batman is and attacks him by wearing him down and then breaks him. Although this probably wouldn't work as a single film.....
roosters93
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I'd enjoy that.
My ideas of what/who Bane is have been ruined by Batman & Robin.
My ideas of what/who Bane is have been ruined by Batman & Robin.
SCULLIBUNDO
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The Dark Knight is second only to Michael Bay's treatment for it: http://my.spill.com/profiles/blog/show?id=947994:BlogPost:355506
:lol :lol :lol
:lol :lol :lol
Whoever wrote that is GENIUS
roosters93
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:lol
Please someone make this.
Please someone make this.
Ninja Scooter
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just got back. Ledger was amazing. The entire scene of him at the police station is oscar worthy in itself. They shouldnt' even make a sequel because it will be impossible to top this. Riddler? Catwoman? Pengiun? Give me a break that shit will be playskool stuff compared to Ledger's Joker.
The next movie would have to be about everyone hunting down Batman while he's still trying to clean the city up. So now he has to be two steps in front of the mob AND the police.
For new criminals, you could have the Penguin as a new mob boss. Catwoman could be floating around as a super-thief contracted out by the mob (and she's a love interest for Batman). You could also throw in the Riddler as something more serious. He would be in the vein of the Unabomber or the Zodiac, where he would commit crimes and then taunt the police and Batman with notes.
They would have to tone down the whole movie and make it much more about how Bruce is coming to terms with the fact that Batman will always have to be, that there is no end in sight.
For new criminals, you could have the Penguin as a new mob boss. Catwoman could be floating around as a super-thief contracted out by the mob (and she's a love interest for Batman). You could also throw in the Riddler as something more serious. He would be in the vein of the Unabomber or the Zodiac, where he would commit crimes and then taunt the police and Batman with notes.
They would have to tone down the whole movie and make it much more about how Bruce is coming to terms with the fact that Batman will always have to be, that there is no end in sight.
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suaveric said:
dude, Joker killed like the fucking commissioner of police, blew up the goddamn police station and leveled a fucking hospital...a little fat deformed man or a dude in a suit with question marks all over it just can't live up to that without coming off as lame.
the problem would be that they would have to tone it down significantly, and i don't see how you can do that as a follow up to DK. How would it even be possible? I guess i'll have to trust in Nolan.
Ninja Scooter said:
there would be no question marks on the Riddler, it would be a much more serious take on the character. maybe question makrs on his notes to the police. and the Penguin would also be something much more tame, nothing like Burton's version.
but I agree that Nolan can't up and ante any more. the next movie would have to be smaller in scope.
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suaveric said:
what you are describing is pretty much what the Joker did. He left the police and batman clues and little hints as a "part of the plan". But Riddler is not the cold blooded killer Joker is. Riddler would just come off as Joker-lite.
i just don't see how they can top this...like you said making it smaller in scope? Thats going backwards. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.
Cold-Steel
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Two Face isn't dead folks, not in my mind.
I'm going to believe in Harvey Dent.
I'm going to believe in Harvey Dent.
Two-Face is dead. Harvey Dent lives on in the spirit of Gotham.
[and anyone suggesting otherwise, Two-Face somehow being alive after that ending would be the dumbest fucking thing ever]
If you thought Rachel's death might have been fake, you were being willfully stupid. It would be completely out of character for the Joker to not kill her.
[and anyone suggesting otherwise, Two-Face somehow being alive after that ending would be the dumbest fucking thing ever]
Dude, Gordon returned like 28 hours after his 'death'. The city was in chaos, the police department was in chaos, etc.me so Grant said:
If you thought Rachel's death might have been fake, you were being willfully stupid. It would be completely out of character for the Joker to not kill her.
As stated before, there was a little hint that Dent might not be completely safe. Secondly, knowing they were taken would have removed the entire sense of victory that came with nabbing the Joker. It works so much better in going from that brief moment of elation to finding out that Joker was once again a step ahead, that two of our main characters are in mortal danger. Showing gloved hands take them would have in no way created mystery. Who else would we believe was responsible? What would Gordon possible have to gain by bluffing the Joker? There was no information he needed. Joker was the target. Why would he rush back from home to do it? The plot was at the end of the road until the abductions came to light.
Movie was fucking awesome.
Can't think of a Joker scene that wasn't good.
I fucking hate Christian Bale's stupid deep voice while in the Batman outfit. I know it is so people don't know he is Bruce Wayne (or so I figure), but he doesn't have to use it when he is talking to Rachel.
Batman's head doesn't look right.
Movie was still fucking awesome, my only qualms are retarded compared to how good the movie was.
It should have been a half hour longer to get some more Two Face time and another Joker scene.
Next movie: BRING ME BANE. A big ass cgi'd up Bane. Penguin makes sense in the next flick too (riddler is too crazy like Joker, save him for the fourth Batman).
Catwoman is a cool character, but I think more dust needs to settle after the abomination that was Halle Berry.
Also, title should be "Shadow of the Bat" (he is on the run from everyone, you only see his shadow.. tada)
Can't think of a Joker scene that wasn't good.
I fucking hate Christian Bale's stupid deep voice while in the Batman outfit. I know it is so people don't know he is Bruce Wayne (or so I figure), but he doesn't have to use it when he is talking to Rachel.
Batman's head doesn't look right.
Movie was still fucking awesome, my only qualms are retarded compared to how good the movie was.
It should have been a half hour longer to get some more Two Face time and another Joker scene.
Next movie: BRING ME BANE. A big ass cgi'd up Bane. Penguin makes sense in the next flick too (riddler is too crazy like Joker, save him for the fourth Batman).
Catwoman is a cool character, but I think more dust needs to settle after the abomination that was Halle Berry.
Also, title should be "Shadow of the Bat" (he is on the run from everyone, you only see his shadow.. tada)
thesoapster
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mugwhump said:
That and the bullet fingerprint part...but really, it didn't bother me on a whole much. I saw the midnight showing last night...was blown away.
brandonh83
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From the start through the climax of the ferry sequence, in my mind I was calling it the best action/drama/thing ever made. And then the rest of the movie fucking sucked balls with a terrible ending. Two-Face dying already? Joker getting no resolution? No climactic battle scene? What the fuck? No, I'm not a mindless action junkie, but even Batman Begins had an incredibly satisfying face off at the end. And Rachel Dawes... jesus christ, I hate female leads who can't decide who they're in love with, just made her out to be a complete whore and her death really had no effect on me at all.
I'll need some time with this one but as of right now, while most of it is indeed spectacular, and Ledger's Joker, well words cannot explain it, but as of right now I would not put it above Batman Begins. I also detested the lack of Scarecrow, and while I didn't have a huge problem with Bale's Batman voice in the first one, there were a couple of deliveries of it here that were kinda iffy.
edit: I do wish to clarify, before I get crucified, that other than my dislike toward Rachel, I really did think the movie was incredible until the end. I hate to be that guy, but I was just really disappointed in the way things turned out. It was still a fantastic movie and I want to see it again, hopefully changing my opinion of the end, but as of right now I just think it's a "pretty good sequel" to Batman Begins.
I'll need some time with this one but as of right now, while most of it is indeed spectacular, and Ledger's Joker, well words cannot explain it, but as of right now I would not put it above Batman Begins. I also detested the lack of Scarecrow, and while I didn't have a huge problem with Bale's Batman voice in the first one, there were a couple of deliveries of it here that were kinda iffy.
edit: I do wish to clarify, before I get crucified, that other than my dislike toward Rachel, I really did think the movie was incredible until the end. I hate to be that guy, but I was just really disappointed in the way things turned out. It was still a fantastic movie and I want to see it again, hopefully changing my opinion of the end, but as of right now I just think it's a "pretty good sequel" to Batman Begins.
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MechaX said:
things that got applause or major "OOOHS!/AHHHS!" in my theater....
-pencil/magic trick
-Batman appearing in the joker questioning room and slamming his head into the table
-the truck flip
-"Debo" throwing out the bomb trigger
Just saw it this afternoon/night. I've got some questions.
-What was the point of the Scarecrow
-How did the Joker really get his scars
-Why was Harvey Dent known as Two-Face?
Even though I don't know how they'd do it, I would like a sequel. They just can't leave the Batman hanging like that. In that scene where Harvey says he's Batman, you could feel the hate the people had for Batman. I can't imagine how much worse that would be now that he's killed the city's great hope.
Most of the great moments have already been mentioned, but I'd like to mention the scene with Two-Face and Gordon's family. When he had the boy at gunpoint, I really thought he was going to do it, and you could see just how far he had fallen.
-What was the point of the Scarecrow
-How did the Joker really get his scars
-Why was Harvey Dent known as Two-Face?
Even though I don't know how they'd do it, I would like a sequel. They just can't leave the Batman hanging like that. In that scene where Harvey says he's Batman, you could feel the hate the people had for Batman. I can't imagine how much worse that would be now that he's killed the city's great hope.
Most of the great moments have already been mentioned, but I'd like to mention the scene with Two-Face and Gordon's family. When he had the boy at gunpoint, I really thought he was going to do it, and you could see just how far he had fallen.
This, and the kids pretending to blow up the cars are the only things that ticked me off about the film.PacoDG said:
MaritalWheat
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That movie was something else. Heath, why'd you have to go? 
First time I've heard people clapping at my theater.
First time I've heard people clapping at my theater.
WickedAngel
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SpeedingUptoStop said:
I'm certain of it.
The Joker made note of how smitten Batman appeared to be with Rachel when he commented on the dive out of the penthouse. He didn't know why Batman cared but Batman showed his hand and the Joker played it well. He knew that Batman, being flawed, wouldn't choose the greater good over the life of someone he cared about. As others have said, there was no wiggle room here; Harvey's fall from grace was the master plan all along.
The only aspect of the entire film that I had an issue with was Scarecrow. I expected a bigger role for him in the grand scheme (Even if it wasn't his movie).
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Fixed2BeBroken said:
I'd like to add the destruction of the hospital to that list. Ledger was GODLIKE as the Joker.
Edit: One of the times that Joker explained his scar the explanation sounded like it came straight out of the Killing Joke. Anyone notice this?
Guys I'm pretty sure when he's running for his vehicle after the interrogation room scene they yell something like "Where are you going" and he clearly says "Rachel!". He wanted to save her, and Joker got him for it.
Also, brilliant throughout, but the entire hospital performance was perfect. Him being the nurse, his chat (I'm just a dog chasing a car), the way he walked out of the hospital, his reaction to it not totally going, and how he shimmies off once the big fireworks do start. Perfect start to finish.
Also, brilliant throughout, but the entire hospital performance was perfect. Him being the nurse, his chat (I'm just a dog chasing a car), the way he walked out of the hospital, his reaction to it not totally going, and how he shimmies off once the big fireworks do start. Perfect start to finish.
I don't know if anybody else has mentioned this, but as far as Two Face's fate, I think he absolutely had to die. These Batman movies fit into a real world, and those wounds Two Face suffered had to be fatal. Even if he'd survived the fall, half of his face had burned off and he had exposed parts of his skull. He was dead. If he survived and came back as a villain for the next movie or ever again, it would have this air of something impossible in a series of movies otherwise based pretty firmly in a reality not entirely unlike our own.
Exactly. Let's but the kibosh on this crap right now. He was messed up but he was still perfectly recognizable as Harvey Dent, if there was the slightest chance anyone might see him again it would entirely destroy the symbol they turned him into.Dan said:
As far as the switching addresses thing, I'm still not sure if that's what happened. Batman didn't seem surprised, if he was expecting to find Rachel he would have ran right back out the door upon realizing it was Harvey. (Didn't he have a couple of cops flanking him as he busted the door open, too?) I think the theory that he put what was best for Gotham over what was best for himself might have some merit.
Shig said:
Batman wanted to save Rachel. The Joker said Harvey was at 250 52nd Street, and Gordon said that they were going to 250 52nd Street when Batman ran towards the door and said where he was going. Gordon went to the location opposite Batman, and ended up at 250 52nd Street (They return to the location later, with Harvey stating that's where his family died), while Batman went to the other location and found Harvey. He knew he only had time to save one of them, and couldn't hesitate to get Dent out.
Did they say it was that specific address when they returned?Archaix said:
If they went to both locations, why was Gordon's team not caught in the explosion at his point? Perhaps Batman told Gordon the opposite location to minimize casualties; If they had teams at both places, not only would Rachel or Dent die, their rescuers probably would have as well.
I don't remember clearly, but didn't Gordon witness the Rachel's location explode from a great distance away, and not while en route in his car? I remember a shot with the explosion happening a few blocks away and someone turning to look, but I don't remember if it was Gordon or not. If it was, there's no other explanation for him being on foot and that far away.
Nazgul_Hunter
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Shig said:
Batman didn't tell Gordon the address, they heard it through the speakers. Gordon just asks "where are you going?" and Batman says "Rachel"
obijkenobi
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Dent is dead. His chest wasn't moving when they had that talk in the end about Batman taking the fall. Also, Gordon and Bats never called for an ambulance. If Dent was still alive they woudln't have just left him there while having that talk.
Dan said:
Thank God you corrected that guy this way. Ugh... armchair directors.
One thing I didn't notice anyone talk about was all of the social commentary in this movie about the GOP use of fear to control the public, Alfred's very poignant remarks about Joker's motivations as well as those who follow him in relation to the rise of terror networks in the middle east, and the obvious reference to warrantless wiretapping with the cell phone sonar mapping.
This entire film was pretty remarkable, and Jesus, I have no idea how they could possibly craft another villain that could top the Joker or how the cops + mobsters hunting Batman could be as thrilling as the ruthlessly sinister Heath Ledger interpretation of Joker.
My biggest question is how much of the Joker we saw on the screen was penned. You just can't write something so magical. I haven't read much about the making of so this may be well known, but there is little doubt in my mind that a lot of the script was rewritten because of what Ledger brought to the role.
Also, everyone mentions the now classic pencil magic trick (where's the GIF dammit?) but an equally great part of that scene is where he just criticizes the hell out of them for being pushovers and mere shells of their former selves (a point he reiterates when he says Gotham deserves a better class of criminal) and then when the thugs try to make a move he opens his trenchcoat and toys with the grenade pin string.
Also, making the hostages at the bank hold grenades in the opening scene was BRILLIANT.
I'm still unraveling all of the individual bits of awesomeness that infect every frame of this film, so I'll probably have more comments later.
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I didn't say it was the absolute tops in terms of Pop Culture or Cebreberal Subtext, but it sure as hell is one of the most fantastic mixtures of the two.me so Grant said:
Hitokage said:
Ah....you were in my theater! I was on my way home and told my buddy that I had a bad joke, but that we could honestly tell people it was so good it sent people in to seizures. I followed that up by saying, "I am going straight to hell". He looked at me and said, "no, the guy that shushed is going straight to hell!"
Rapping Granny
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OOH MY God Ledger was fucking fantastic in that hospital scene. just fucking awesome.
and "Debo" throwing away the bomb out the boat got some applause from the audience, which was pretty cool.
and "Debo" throwing away the bomb out the boat got some applause from the audience, which was pretty cool.
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Harvey Dent is dead. The man fell a couple stories here, people. he was wearing a batsuit. He didn't have anything to break his fall (you never hear anything crack or break until he hits the ground). He's gone. Gotham needs their white knight and that's what they gave them. even if he was still alive, he'd be locked away forever. they couldn't let him out.
Rapping Granny
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I hated two face, very fucking annoying character, yeah we know your spouse got killed, move on fuck. I hated him throught the entire movie.
WickedAngel
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Snaku said:
It seems like that would be the logical progression to an endgame. Batman/Gordon hide Two Face away and the city recoups from the losses inflicted by the Joker. Batman tries to save Harvey but the Two Face persona continues to gain dominance while he heals. Eventually, Two Face escapes and destroys the city, psychologically and literally, by destroying the false idol and wreaking havoc within the city itself.
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