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[PedroLumpy]

We're talking about a videogame ffs, not a rollercoaster ride or horror movie.
There's no fun to be had from tension if all it leads up to is a big disappointment at the end of some scumbags looking to steal your loot.

Well, the more that's at stake, the bigger the rush.

Really though, I suspect the issue is gear. The game is a lot different when you're in a bunch of random greens, fighting people in purples, rather than the other way around. If you were 'late' to the gear grind, you're probably dealing with people who have twice your health and DPS, and have nothing else to do but shoot people.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Are there longer beards in the final game ?

 

[squidyj]

They need to do something about turrets turning you rogue. shit's infuriating.
Having some more granularity in matchmaking would be nice, it'd be nice to be able to put together a group of people who want to go rogue or a group of people who want to farm chests,
comparing mods in stores to mods on equipped weapons would be nice.

 

[Kwansu Dudes]

We're talking about a videogame ffs, not a rollercoaster ride or horror movie.
There's no fun to be had from tension if all it leads up to is a big disappointment at the end of some scumbags looking to steal your loot.

After it happens a few times, it gets old very fast and you end up waiting for people to turn rogue and kill them at extraction zones. This'll probably change once the full game is out and you actually get good items.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

Do you really want to nerf moments like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr6dZ_0BRWs&feature=youtu.be

I'm not saying they should remove it entirely. Just maybe nerf rogue status like they did manhunt status.

 

[Trouble]

When you're succesful it's more enjoyable because of the risk.

ffs it isn't rocket science. It's higer risk/reward, but all games have risk/reward.

Doesn't make up for it.

I'm really concerned that this game is going to become a ghost town once everyone burns through the single player content.

 

[ironcreed]

Doesn't make up for it.

I'm really concerned that this game is going to become a ghost town once everyone burns through the single player content.

Nah, most people actually love loot hunts and a challenge with PVP elements.

 

[Smokey_Run]

Damage mitigation. If you go to your character stats and scroll down, you'll end up on "armor" and will show how much you're mitigating

If I do 25% mitigation, it more or less means that all incoming damage (ie, a bullet) is only doing 75% of its full potential against me? So it can matter and not matter as much depending of your build?

 

[Tecnniqe]

How would you even nerf rogue without breaking it?

 

[WonkyPanda]

I'm not saying they should remove it entirely. Just maybe nerf rogue status like they did manhunt status.

The rewards of manhunt and rogue are already paltry. What else would you propose? ~500dz credits for manhunt survival is a joke. Plus, you drop MORE loot when you're rogue.

 

[EMBee99]

For some reason, I want a Batman-style class that can move fast and use hand-to-hand techniques to take out folks.

I know it's not possible with the level design and all, but man, sneaking into a mob or group of PvP rogues and knocking them sideways sounds fun.

Maybe it's the Dark Knight Rises vibe I get from the game.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

Really though, I suspect the issue is gear. The game is a lot different when you're in a bunch of random greens, fighting people in purples, rather than the other way around. If you were 'late' to the gear grind, you're probably dealing with people who have twice your health and DPS, and have nothing else to do but shoot people.

I could see this becoming an issue as well since they're nothing stopping a high level player in the 30's bracket zones going to 8-9 bracket zones.

Then again, the mode is supposed to be anarchy. But it would be frustrating for new players.

 

[N° 2048]

Not sure if i get the game.
After an hour or 2 I finished all the quests there were on the map so there was nothing else to do it seems. Do you have to grind to a specific level to unlock extra sidemissions?

Then I entered the darkzone. Not sure if it's a European thing but I had like no people at all shooting at me when I extracted gear. Everyone waited neatly until the chopper arrived and helped if they saw me struggling with some enemies. I played a couple of hours in the DZ and only saw 1 or 2 rogue people.

enemies are also extremely rare it seems. There were times I sprinted for 5 minutes without seeing 1 other player or enemy AI.

Exact same experience here.

Cancelled the pre-order so fast. Not getting burned again after Destiny.

 

[TheSeks]

I'm guessing armor will be a valuable stat at max level.

Wow, that's a hot appearance loadout. What clothes are you wearing?

 

[Trouble]

Nah, most people actually love loot hunts and a challenge with PVP elements.

Most people do not like finding loot only to have it taken away by some dickhead. They will stop playing.

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

I'm struggling to come up with things I would do to improve the Dark Zone, but I can't really think of anything. It's only going to get better come release, too.

 

[Heysoos]

Most of my experience in dark zone so far is a group of 3 or 4 killing a player or two then running away to a zone that only has one entrance. Either a ladder up or a long alleyway that gives them clear field of vision but no protection for anyone trying to kill them. Meh.

 

[PedroLumpy]

I could see this becoming an issue as well since they're nothing stopping a high level player in the 30's bracket zones going to 8-9 bracket zones.

Then again, the mode is supposed to be anarchy. But it would be frustrating for new players.

Hmm? No a level 30 player would be in the level 30 bracket. Still though, you're right about it being frustrating for new players. Even at the same level, the difference between good and bad gear is huge.

 

[OdysseusVA]

Purple M1A GET!

 

[Saucycarpdog]

I'm struggling to come up with things I would do to improve the Dark Zone, but I can't really think of anything. It's only going to get better come release, too.

Give players more to do than just camping NPC spawns?

 

[Lima]

Most people do not like finding loot only to have it taken away by some dickhead. They will stop playing.

Good. Don't need those players filling up servers anyway.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Purple M1A GET!

YOU STILL GOT A FEW HOURS TO USE IT ON PEOPLE!

GOGOGOGO

 

[arhra]

I could see this becoming an issue as well since they're nothing stopping a high level player in the 30's bracket zones going to 8-9 bracket zones.

At max level you enter a completely different instance to lower-level players (which is all re-populated and balanced for level 30).

I'd expect the lower-level versions to be bracketed by player level to some extent as well, to prevent level 29 twinks griefing lowbies, but it's hard to say for certain as the beta has it's own specific setup due to the limitations in place in terms of player level (it has a 1-7 bracket, which due to the starting level is actually really 4-7, plus a max-beta-level bracket for level 8 players).

Gear balancing might well be an issue in the max-level DZ, with fresh 30s getting annihilated by veterans, but in the full game the DZ won't be the only source of high-end loot, so you'll be able to gear up more effectively before going in.

 

[WonkyPanda]

Give players more to do than just camping NPC spawns?

They've already said the DZ will house event-based objectives.

 

[mosdl]

Best thing to do when at the extraction zone with other group is to assign 2 people to protect everyone else and not try to bunch up since there are only 4 slots. Just wait for multiple extractions.


Also honestly after a certain point I don't know why I cared about extracting. The better weapons were from the vendors, never drops.

Perhaps crafting materials after you disassemble loot?

 

[Saucycarpdog]

Hmm? No a level 30 player would be in the level 30 bracket. Still though, you're right about it being frustrating for new players. Even at the same level, the difference between good and bad gear is huge.

I mean the zones in the Dark zone that are marked by a players DZ level. There's a 8-9 zone, 10-16 zone etc.

At least that's how I think it works.

 

[Simo]

Then I entered the darkzone. Not sure if it's a European thing but I had like no people at all shooting at me when I extracted gear. Everyone waited neatly until the chopper arrived and helped if they saw me struggling with some enemies. I played a couple of hours in the DZ and only saw 1 or 2 rogue people.

I had some examples like this but we had more rogues coming after us though. Like a straight on Manhunt of 4 actively chasing me down and myself having to find cover, hide and flank them to get the drop and wipe them out.

Awesome fucking moments like that and with your buddies meant I've spent the majority of the open beta in DZ.

enemies are also extremely rare it seems. There were times I sprinted for 5 minutes without seeing 1 other player or enemy AI.

Yeah but as I just found out last night, enemies respawn after sometime at the various landmarks like Koreatown, Gas station, the construction tower and sports store etc. along with a named "boss". We friended another group who told us this and so 7 of us basically would hit each landmark to wipe out the enemies, move on to the next landmark, rinse and repeat until you come back to the start or your stash is completely full. lol

Perhaps you weren't seeing many enemies because other players already wiped out the landmark. lol

 

[Lima]

I mean the zones in the Dark zone that are marked. There's a 8-9 zone, 10-16 zone etc.

At least that's how I think it works.

That is just the level of the NPCs.

 

[WonkyPanda]

I mean the zones in the Dark zone that are marked by a players DZ level. There's a 8-9 zone, 10-16 zone etc.

At least that's how I think it works.

Not how it works.

 

[Sn4ke_911]

YOU STILL GOT A FEW HOURS TO USE IT ON PEOPLE!

GOGOGOGO

HOW MANY HOURS CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK??

 

[Tecnniqe]

HOW MANY HOURS CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK??

FOURTEEN

Spoiler

I THINK

 

[ryanofcall]

Are there longer beards in the final game ?

I was wondering about that, too. Also longer hair in general.
We don't know. It's been said, that there will be a lot more options in the final release

 

[Xamtheking]

EVERYONE NEEDS A NICKNAME

 

[Sn4ke_911]

14

Spoiler

I think

Nice, thanks.

Edit: HA, TOO LATE FOR THAT EDIT!

 

[Calcium]

I'd really like to see a Public Event system in the Dark Zones. It'd give players an objective to focus on and it'd be fun to see Rogue Agents trying to interfere with it. It'd beat just wandering around aimlessly looking for stuff to do.

 

[ironcreed]

Most people do not like finding loot only to have it taken away by some dickhead. They will stop playing.

Or keep playing until they succeed and maybe even take some away themselves.

 

[T.O.P]

Do you really want to nerf moments like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr6dZ_0BRWs&feature=youtu.be

That one dude turning Rogue by mistake and getting killed is me in every gun fight in the DZ

 

[deoee]

WHY IS THIS GAME NOT OUT YET

 

[Xamtheking]

WHY IS THIS GAME NOT OUT YET

IT'S A LEAP YEAR

 

[OdysseusVA]

My precious

 

[Zank Frappa]

It's with the Open Beta that I realized the game might severely lack replayability and with that, content. I am getting Destiny year 1 vibes from it, and add to this the disappointment that is the size of the final map - which is a mere fraction of the city and does not include any type of greenery (so no Central Park, great.) I will definitely wait the first month out and see if there's any burnout of content and if the Darkzone is actually balanced and not the clusterfuck it is right now.

 

[Tecnniqe]

Nice, thanks.

Edit: HA, TOO LATE FOR THAT EDIT!

 

[WonkyPanda]

That one dude turning Rogue by mistake and getting killed is me in every gun fight in the DZ

Die a hero or live long enough to become a rogue.

 

[Glass Shark]

Considering it's supposed to be a huge draw for this game, Dark Zone seems pretty devoid of stuff to do. Basically just wander around and hope that you run into one of the 3-4 random mob spawns?

 

[Saucycarpdog]

That is just the level of the NPCs.

Ah. I see.

Anyway I understand the plight of those new low level players getting killed by level 30 players. That's what I'm trying to say.

 

[WonkyPanda]

Ah. I see.

Anyway I understand the plight of those new low level players getting killed by level 30 players. That's what I'm trying to say.

The DZ servers will be broken into brackets. Similar to how the beta is 4-7 and 8. There's no way a level 30 will be preying on Sub-20s

 

[Tecnniqe]

Die a hero or live long enough to become a manhunt.

Perfect

 

[deoee]

Considering it's supposed to be a huge draw for this game, Dark Zone seems pretty devoid of stuff to do. Basically just wander around and hope that you run into one of the 3-4 random mob spawns?

full release more npc.

 

[Matush]

Did Massive say anything about fixing texture streaming for launch? It is still very visible.

 

[PedroLumpy]

I mean the zones in the Dark zone that are marked by a players DZ level. There's a 8-9 zone, 10-16 zone etc.

At least that's how I think it works.

So the level bracket dictates which players can play together. The DZ level assigned to an area indicates the level of the AI enemies.

Thus the beta has 2 brackets, 1-7 and 8-8. So no matter where you are in the DZ, you're still only with players in your level bracket.