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The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion |OT|
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demi said:
I felt/feel the same way... I beat "everything" (read: all 1000 achievement points) and it took me about 45 hours (25ish for the mainquest and 20 for the auxiliary "achievement" questlines)... When I told my friends (some of whom have spent 100+ hours on the game without finishing the main quest) they couldn't believe how fast I ripped through it... So, yeah, I stuck strictly to getting the objectives done and, personally, I ended up loving the game (objectively, it clearly had its shit together from the get-go).
Like I said, if I ended up only playing on PC I never would have finished. It wasn't until I made a point of going through the achievements (main quest first) that I had a ball with the game. But, again, either way, even if I ended up not liking it, it was still obvious to see why RPG fans like this game. Naw Meen?
Kung Fu Jedi
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Demi: If it's such a struggle to find the game enjoyable, and you have a bunch of other things to play, then just don't play. Seriously, you clearly can't appreciate the game, and as I said in an earlier post, the wide-open, exploration style of play is certainly not for everyone. JRPG's tend to be very linear, and a lot of people who play them, and love them, can't grasp a game like the Elder Scrolls, which are not linear at all, encourage you to explore, and offer up complete freedom to play the game the way you want to.
Clearly, this isn't a game for you. Sell it now, cut your losses, and play Enchant Arms. You'll probably enjoy it much more.
Clearly, this isn't a game for you. Sell it now, cut your losses, and play Enchant Arms. You'll probably enjoy it much more.
Kung Fu Jedi
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mysticstylez said:
As bengraven has already stated, the Thieves Guild is probably worth your time. It's my second favorite questline of the Guild Quests, behind the Dark Brotherhood. Fighters Guild is the worst imho, and if it bores you, don't drag yourself through it, but if you want all the achievements you'll have to slog through.
Ok maybe I'm not coming in clear
I'm simply saying that I can't get into the game as much as certain LARPers can like GhaleonEB, or even you -- feel free to post your cosplay photos, btw. But I can play the game just fine. I said I am forcing myself to play it for the achievement points (i am an addict) -- but I also said I wasn't hating it. To me, it's just a game. To you, it's a fanfiction come reality. Like I said, I enjoy Kings Field, that's probably why I can tolerate the game.
Better?
AND FYI Enchanted Arms is on its way from GamezNFlix, so nyah.
I'm simply saying that I can't get into the game as much as certain LARPers can like GhaleonEB, or even you -- feel free to post your cosplay photos, btw. But I can play the game just fine. I said I am forcing myself to play it for the achievement points (i am an addict) -- but I also said I wasn't hating it. To me, it's just a game. To you, it's a fanfiction come reality. Like I said, I enjoy Kings Field, that's probably why I can tolerate the game.
Better?
AND FYI Enchanted Arms is on its way from GamezNFlix, so nyah.
mysticstylez
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demi said:
Demi, I know how you feel, at first I was forcing myself to play it. However once I started the Dark Brotherhood questline, I fell in love.
I have the attention span of a twig, and I never put more than 10 hours into any RPG before Oblivion. Once you get a hold of a good quest in this game you then get sucked in. If not for the actual gamplay itself, but just that there are so many little storylines woven into the whole game, that give Oblivion such great ambiance.
Give it some more time, start doing the Dark Brothehood quests, if you don't like it then, I would stop playing.
Kung Fu Jedi
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demi said:
WTF? Why the hell are you going on about LARPing and fanfiction to me exactly? Neither of them have a thing to do with this game, this discussion, or anything I personally have an interest in.
I just don't understand why you would "force yourself" to play a game just for the achievements. You're right, you didn't say you hate it, but you clearly aren't having all that much fun with it, and why play a game at all if you aren't getting enjoyment out of it? Achievements, for me, is not a good enough answer. If I'm not having much fun with a game, that I'm not going to subject myself to 40+ hours of play just to get some achievements. And that's about what you're going to need to collect them all.
AND FYI, I'll probably play Enchant Arms as well eventually. That wasn't a slam on that game at all. It just seems more suited for your type of game play and style. So nyah back at ya'.
Kung Fu Jedi
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demi said:
I've read it. I can understan why someone would read his GIANT post and feel that way. I'm just not really sure what it has to do with me exactly.
Kung Fu Jedi
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demi said:
Great. But when you get a chance, and you return to this thread, be sure to let me know what the whole LARPing/Fan fiction thing has to do with me, and the fact that I enjoy playing Oblivion. I didn't write that large post earlier. I won't even touch the whole cosplay comment.
And for the record, there is probably a lot more fan fiction out their for the JRPG's that you play than there is for Oblivion. the fans of Final Fantasy alone have created plenty of odd crap to fill up the Internet.
Kung Fu Jedi
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demi said:
Thanks...now I'll never get that, along with your general avatar images, out of my brain.
Great Rumbler
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demi said:
You should be able to get that fixed at the local temple.
By the way, I was doing some travelling along the eastern edge of the map, what I came across a secluded little cave called "Lost Boys Cavern". It was full of necromances and skeletons, as well as a few liches. There's a few bits of reading material that give you some backstory to read as you go along and a ton of treasure throughout. Might be worth a look see for anyone that's looking for something to do.
It was an odd post. I wanted to do a number of things:Kung Fu Jedi said:
1) State that I'm done playing for now
2) Sum up my feelings on the game (I never did post a "review")
3) Describe a really fun rampage I did to wrap things up
Bear in mind it was 2am in the morning when I was done, so it got a little weird. But I also wanted to illustrate that Bethesda's goal of letting me "live another life, in another world" was fully realized. I made up my own quests, went my own way and really invested myself in the character. It's like the game was made just for me. Ever had that feeling with a game, Mr. Advent Rising?
I remember when I was a kid and Tie Fighter came out on the PC. We had a 386 with 4 megs of RAM, no sound card and a monochrome monitor. I had to turn off all the effects, make the view window small and imagine my own sound effects and soundtrack. I did that, and I loved the game, nerfed to hell and all.
With Oblivion, I similarly used my imagination. I didn't limit the stories being told to the ones written into the game. I took up certain quests and goals that were utterly informal and up to me. I imagined a backstory for my character, which dictated how I equipped her and what her fighting style was. I used my imagination to fill in the blanks.
What can I say? I really, really love this game. I'm just not sure how to sum it up effectively.
-Rogue5- said:
Wow, my current character is at like 83 hours and I've only completed the Arena and the Thieves Guild. I'm only about 3/4th through the Mages Guild and the Dark Brotherhood. I'm very close to beating the main quest though. I've only done handful of non-guild related quests.
And that's WITH fast traveling just about everywhere.
I like fast travel, and the pointers to locations isn't a terrible thing, but having pointers telling you where specific people are is a bit much. There are several quests that are like "You must find so and so and blah blah blah." Well, that's not too exciting because the damn map tells me exactly where that person is. That should only allowed at easy difficulty levels or something.
Nah, I like the pointers. Looking for people is just boring and taking away the pointers would just make it longer. Btw, am I the only one who wants a little map somewhere on the HUD? The compass is great and all, but I find mysef looking at the map quite often, especially in dungeons.Yusaku said:
And hey, I'm 83 hours in, too.
ZombieSupaStar
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EH if you dont like it demi, you dont like it
The reasons its better than morrowind to me is:
Combat
In morrowind you could be 2 inches from a guy and *miss* *miss* *miss* *miss* *!!hit!!*. it was all stats based in hit chance which annoying as all **** in a REALTIME combat engine
Questing
In morrowind the quests were so retarded to keep track of (the journal in oblivion is a godsend by comparison), in morrowind the "journal" is little more than a console that records events, out of order, as you came across them, so if you had a quest you had to flip page after page after page to piece together wtf you were supposed to do next.
Graphics
While in oblivion may be a matter of taste (face models are still kinda off), in morrowind they were 2 things, fugly and brown.
The reasons its better than morrowind to me is:
Combat
In morrowind you could be 2 inches from a guy and *miss* *miss* *miss* *miss* *!!hit!!*. it was all stats based in hit chance which annoying as all **** in a REALTIME combat engine
Questing
In morrowind the quests were so retarded to keep track of (the journal in oblivion is a godsend by comparison), in morrowind the "journal" is little more than a console that records events, out of order, as you came across them, so if you had a quest you had to flip page after page after page to piece together wtf you were supposed to do next.
Graphics
While in oblivion may be a matter of taste (face models are still kinda off), in morrowind they were 2 things, fugly and brown.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Gahleon: You don't need to explain your post to anyone. Everyone who has been in this thread knows you love the game, and playing 300+ hours is more than proof enough. I just took objection with Demi accusing me of writing fan fiction and LARPing, I guess because I've been in this thread since day one.
ZombieSupaStar
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Kung Fu Jedi said:
dude its demi *wink*
Kung Fu Jedi
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ZombieSupaStar said:
Yeah, I'm figuring that out.
And I agree with your comparison of Morrowind and Oblivion. I love both games, but Oblivion has done some things that make it much more approachable and easy to stay on task. If Demi doesn't enjoy Oblivion, he'd probably absoulutely hate Morrowind.
I sort of ended my love affair with this game. I may have overdosed a bit.
I didn't think the Thieve's Guild was all that great. "HEY MAN. WE GOT SOME STUFF YOU OTTA GO GET. GO UNLOCK SOME DOORS. DON'T LET NOBODY CU K? THX" ad infiitum. There's some fun stuff along the way and it's a nice tour of the world, but it's just not that interesting. And the Wizard's Tower quest was long and grueling and not thief-ly.
And what's up with the BLIND PRIESTS being able to SEE ME!? It sounded like a cool quest. Dark Brotherhood is cool, the arena was fun (But the reward was balls!) and I got booted out of the mages guild for "stealing". Whatever.
I haven't touched the main quest in awhile, though I enjoyed it when I did. Nice 'n epic. But I can see what the haterz are saying- It's a beautiful game with a lot to offer, but there's only so much variety a controller can offer. Still, I'll probably pick this one up when I'm done with Hitman. Battlefield sucks, so I doubt I'm headed back into that mess.
And Demi, stop with the achievement pts! Oblivion is the only game I have more than you in. Well. That and Outpost Kaloki X.
I didn't think the Thieve's Guild was all that great. "HEY MAN. WE GOT SOME STUFF YOU OTTA GO GET. GO UNLOCK SOME DOORS. DON'T LET NOBODY CU K? THX" ad infiitum. There's some fun stuff along the way and it's a nice tour of the world, but it's just not that interesting. And the Wizard's Tower quest was long and grueling and not thief-ly.
And what's up with the BLIND PRIESTS being able to SEE ME!? It sounded like a cool quest. Dark Brotherhood is cool, the arena was fun (But the reward was balls!) and I got booted out of the mages guild for "stealing". Whatever.
I haven't touched the main quest in awhile, though I enjoyed it when I did. Nice 'n epic. But I can see what the haterz are saying- It's a beautiful game with a lot to offer, but there's only so much variety a controller can offer. Still, I'll probably pick this one up when I'm done with Hitman. Battlefield sucks, so I doubt I'm headed back into that mess.
And Demi, stop with the achievement pts! Oblivion is the only game I have more than you in. Well. That and Outpost Kaloki X.
Kung Fu Jedi
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GilloD said:
The Blind Priests don't see you, and as long as you don't make any noise, they won't know you are there. But if you do make noise, they will be all over you. They have enhanced hearing to compensate for their in ability to see. They were cool enemies that could have been played up, and used even more.
As for getting booted from the Mage Guild, if you don't get caught stealing, you won't get booted. I finished the Mage Guild Questline before I started the Thieves Guild, and I never ran into any issues.
But, as a huge fan of the Thief games, I do agree with you that I would have loved to have some missions that felt more like that game. Of course we're comparing a huge, free form RPG, with a fairly straight forward action game, but still, we can always dream.
Great Rumbler
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I loved Morrowind to death and put hour upon hours into and even beat the main quest after wandering around for a LONG time, but you're right on about that. The oppresive fog and the dark brown colors were something that really needed to be fixed.
Kung Fu Jedi said:The Blind Priests don't see you, and as long as you don't make any noise, they won't know you are there. But if you do make noise, they will be all over you. They have enhanced hearing to compensate for their in ability to see. They were cool enemies that could have been played up, and used even more.
As for getting booted from the Mage Guild, if you don't get caught stealing, you won't get booted. I finished the Mage Guild Questline before I started the Thieves Guild, and I never ran into any issues.
But, as a huge fan of the Thief games, I do agree with you that I would have loved to have some missions that felt more like that game. Of course we're comparing a huge, free form RPG, with a fairly straight forward action game, but still, we can always dream.
Unless you steal FROM a member of the Mage's Guild. That they mind.
civilstrife
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I find the best way to break out of the JRPG mentality is to be "evil" in Oblivion. Don't follow the rules of the world. (Something you are generally forced to do in JRPGs). See an item you want in a shop? Stalk the owner after closing hours, pickpocket his keys off of him, break into his shop at night and voila. Loot his house and kill him and his family in their sleep while you're at it.
AlanHemberger
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QFTcivilstrife said:
That's what helped me. It's just a totally different feeling from JRPG's.
Nameless
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I've always been a big time JRPG fanatic, but I've never had any problems enjoying western RPGs. I didn't really get into series like Baulders Gate and Diablo, but Morrowind, KOTOR, and Oblivion are among my favorite RPGs of all-time.
I like the contrast that is offered by playing both Eastern and western RPGs.
I like the contrast that is offered by playing both Eastern and western RPGs.
Kung Fu Jedi
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GilloD said:
Very true. But again, don't get caught!
And no, you can't just rejoin. You have to go on a long quest and collect a lot of flowers, to get back in.demi said:
You make me sad.
siamesedreamer
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Alright, so Moribel's painted horse finally died by the paws of a Mountain Lion (?). Horseless, I spent the 4000 gold on a black horse and I
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Is there any way to sell a house that you have bought?
bought the horse armor :lol
Is there any way to sell a house that you have bought?
If I had known that I would've gotten Traven's quarters, then I wouldn't have bought the house in Anvil.
Kung Fu Jedi
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siamesedreamer said:
Noooooo!!! Not horse armor!!
And no, you can't sell the houses once you've bought one.
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