symphonask
Member
hmm.. I couldn't tell you for sure, but the shotgun crosshair is much larger than the pistol's but also seemed more steady? So that could be tied to weight I think.
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THE EVIL WITHIN is the real deal! (UK Demo impressions)
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hmm.. I couldn't tell you for sure, but the shotgun crosshair is much larger than the pistol's but also seemed more steady? So that could be tied to weight I think.
Novum_Veritas
Member
When a game is so good, you have to find SOMETHING to pick apart right? *theoretically of course!*
Sure "theoretically"
Naughty_Doge
Member
C'mon, guys it's not like we're not going to buy the game just because of a shitty animation.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Yeah, that will be interesting to see how it all works out mechanically and with different weapons. If it is affected via weight, that's pretty awesome, but I won't get my hopes up.
Sanctuary
Member
This is only true in magic unicorn land. Unless you live in Poland and have everyone cramped next to each other in a dilapidated working environment, where their "payment" is in the form of a promissory note. Games cost money. The more people you have working on a project, the more money required. The more time allocated, the more it costs. Even if you have a much more talented group of people working on a project, they are not going to be doing it for free after a specific amount of time. Games need more time and creative freedom, with the resources to match.
The whole issue with the XX million dollar titles is that they are brute forcing their way through the project, as well as advertising costs.
AsfaeksBR
Member
When a game is so good, you have to find SOMETHING to pick apart right? *theoretically of course!
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Any word on how the inventory works in this? Is it like RE4?
I hope those annoying storage bins aren't going to be in this.
I hope those annoying storage bins aren't going to be in this.
I'm saying that I think modern AAA projects are too large and too many people have their hands in the creation. They could stand to be scaled back. Quite a bit, really.
That's why you have devs like MachineGames, who break off from their previous studio solely because they felt like the overbudgeting ruined the creative freedom they felt necessary to make the kind of game they want.
And we got GOTY so far this year because of it.
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
Really i cancelled my preorder because of it
AsfaeksBR
Member
The game has a circular style menu for the inventory and weapons. You can also quick select items that have been assigned to the d-pad on the controller.
SlasherJPC
Banned
This is the EXACT reason RE6 came off the way it did. Too many hands in the cookie jar, and no focus. It showed....big time and I say that as a person that enjoyed it.
Sanctuary
Member
It's just a huge misallocation of funds. That's why I said they are brute forcing their way through projects. Got a problem? Don't spend less money using better programmers, just throw three times as many at it! Pretty much anyone who has a real budget has to answer to corporate suits who care very little about the day to day affairs with the products they are trying to profit off of. Which means the inevitable deadline.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I've thought it every time I've seen footage. It's the main goddamn character. He's ALWAYS on the screen. His animation should be extremely well crafted. It's clearly not.
I'm still looking forward to the game a lot and I'm sure the animation won't ruin my enjoyment but it's baffling to me that he looks so bad while everything else looks very solid.
AsfaeksBR
Member
This is kind of the reason The Bureau: XCOM Declassified isn't that great.
Too many people from around the world worked on it, and it looks like they made the game without talking to each other.
There is a mission where they tell you to do one thing in the beginning. Then at the end, the cutscene shows you doing the exact opposite and NO ONE noticed it. The story kept going without even saying that you did the wrong thing.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Yeah but in that games defense, it should have been much worse then it turned out to be as the game was in dev hell for a long time. RE6 wasn't as far as we know. I think what will make TEW stand out is that Shinji has been guiding the team for his vision of survival horror.
Novum_Veritas
Member
I trust Shinji on this one, so far he never disappointed in the Survival Horror aspect.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
It's right in front of the player's face, constantly. It's not nitpicking to criticize it.
And for the record, as if it matters, I've thought it looked bad from the very beginning and I know I saw plenty of other people criticize it in early footage as well. It's not good animation. Objectively. Deal with it.
-MD-
Member
SlasherJPC
Banned
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
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The truth hurts when you've already made up your mind about a game before playing it.
I'll assume that you can't help but agree with my point that it's not nitpicking.
-MD-
Member
I love this lol
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Do you think it's good animation? It sounds like you do.
-MD-
Member
Do I think it's a good animation? Not particularly.
Am I bitching about something that probably won't change 3 weeks before the game comes out? Nope, definitely not.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
You're the player. You've always had a slow step. It's a natural feeling to being in control of someone else. Ever follow the camera when you're backing up without reversing the camera? To me it's the same thing. Running at angles can do that, especially if they're in the opposite way. Uncharted and AC must of spoiled everyone.
Fancy Clown
Member
The running animation doesn't bother me or stand out as being particularly bad or anything. It's ok
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
If we didn't bitch about things we couldn't change, GAF would be a blank web page.
I already said I was looking forward to the game, despite the animation, in order to soothe the more sensitive fans. So I don't know what else I can do to make my criticism more palatable. I'm obviously a big fan of Mikami's previous work and would like very much for TEW to be a masterpiece. I'm just genuinely confused about why the basic run animation looks like it's from a budget game.
SlasherJPC
Banned
The fact you even assume I've already made up my mind about the game before playing it is pretty silly of you. I just don't have a issue with the animations at all. I don't know why I have to "deal with it" I've already said the load times suck if they stay that way. So I cherry pick my issues now I suppose? Come on now. You don't like the animations that's fine, but when people tell others to deal with it, I just can't help but think it's a way of saying "I'm right, your wrong" and I don't think anyone is right or wrong in this situation personally. It's obviously going to be on a case by case basis per person on what they think of said animation.
Sanctuary
Member
Animations in RE6 are...weird. Especially when you play in co-op and look at your partner. Let's not forget that award-winning thumbs up animation from Leon either!
Some of the animations are stiff, clunky, weird. It's also something I'm going to get used to in literally 5 minutes. So I'm not worried.
No, let's not.
My favorite thing about that GIF is how the smile on the guy next to Conan completely goes away as soon as the animation happens.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I've read your posts in threads about the game. Is it really silly that I perceived extreme optimism and positivity? Did you not make what was basically a promotional video for the game out of the goodness of your heart? You aren't going to dislike this game no matter how it turns out.
Anyway, it's subjective that you're not bothered by the run animations and I don't have a problem with that, and I never said anything disparaging about people who weren't bothered by them. But, it's objective that they aren't good. They aren't good in a vacuum, they aren't good in the context of the game's serious tone and otherwise well-crafted visuals, and they aren't good compared to movement animations in most third person games with reasonably large budgets. All I claimed was that they aren't good. So, in this very particular case, I am right. Aren't I?
Sanctuary
Member
No. While I agree that the animation looks way off (and I'll probably just forget about it after 30 minutes of acclimation), all of this is an opinion tinged with bias, so it's not objective at all.
But hey, if the only thing anyone can really complain about so far is the jog animation, then there's probably not too much to worry about overall right? I'm not counting the loading times, because I'm part of the master race.
Demon Lizardman
Banned
The previews make it look quite challenging and tense at times. I wonder if this game is going to have a good amount of different enemies and boss fights throughout the game.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
I know it's because of the engine, but it still really sucks to see textures load in in such an advanced build of the game. Also, what's with that item box appearing out of nowhere at the start of the video?
SlasherJPC
Banned
Just remember how the last few weeks/ months have been for optimizing.I know they were aimed at getting the load times better.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Yeah I know, I'm not too worried about the load times. It's the slow loading textures that I don't like, and sadly I think they might be unavoidable.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Yeah sadly. Hope if it happens, it is extremely minor.
AsfaeksBR
Member
Fixed? Doubt it, that's an IdTech 5 thing.
But from the videos, it's not so frequent so... It appears to be better than Wolfenstein and RAGE's problem
Net_Wrecker
Member
I'm pretty sure I mentioned his animations being weirdly jank a long time ago. Like when that cabin footage leaked.
The RE6 and Shadows of The Damned run/sprint animations are similarly "off", so it's not like I'm picking on TEW. I just like good looking animations. It can be the best part of 3rd person games, but can also harm the experience if it isn't natural looking. Won't make or break my purchase though.
AsfaeksBR
Member
Or maybe the shotgun has a steadyer aim because it's supported against Sebastian's shoulder. I don't know how to say it in english actually, but just think of a person aiming with a shotgun. Now with a pistol. Can you imagine the difference and why it has a firmer grip?
Coming from a shooting background, shotguns and rifles are much easier to aim and shoot than pistols.
AsfaeksBR
Member
I remember reading that Sebastian can shoot without aiming, and people especulated that it would be probably to escape large crowds.
But watching the Pete Hines gameplay and seeing how hard it is to aim a good Headshot when the enemy is too near (he takes lots of damage a few times because of it), I think it'll probably be used as a way to escape these kind of situations without getting damaged.
But watching the Pete Hines gameplay and seeing how hard it is to aim a good Headshot when the enemy is too near (he takes lots of damage a few times because of it), I think it'll probably be used as a way to escape these kind of situations without getting damaged.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I didn't really notice much about the run animation when playing, but that might be because on level 1 stamina Sebastian can only run 5-7 seconds before getting tired and the animation changes when he has about a third of stamina left. Also changes based on what weapon you're carrying, and if you're jogging just whenever or it if an enemy see's you and is chasing you.
The reticle on the shotgun is bigger than the handgun. I mentioned this before, the reticle 'square' is actually where you may hit when you shoot, somewhere in that square. Sebastian lower-leveled steadiness will not hit dead-center and can hit anywhere in that square. The shotgun spreads, so the square shows the spread area, and is much bigger.
The reticle on the shotgun is bigger than the handgun. I mentioned this before, the reticle 'square' is actually where you may hit when you shoot, somewhere in that square. Sebastian lower-leveled steadiness will not hit dead-center and can hit anywhere in that square. The shotgun spreads, so the square shows the spread area, and is much bigger.
SlasherJPC
Banned
So there is def changes based on what your carrying at the time. I find that pretty cool. Trying to think of other games that factor that in as well.