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The Expanse |S1| Ubiquitous. Mendacious. Polyglottal. Like a couple of donkey balls.

firehawk12

Subete no aware
So I guess the show is finally back this week. I'm going to assume their odd strategy of trying to promote the show over Christmas didn't work though. :p
 
They should probably do a really extensive recap on things before people just walk in on it these coming weeks and going 'hey, why is this show's season over already?'. Either that or marathoning the shit out of it.
 

lt519

Member
They should probably do a really extensive recap on things before people just walk in on it these coming weeks and going 'hey, why is this show's season over already?'. Either that or marathoning the shit out of it.

I think they did a marathon this morning and next week they are doing all 5 episodes Monday morning. Assuming it's just to give people a chance to DVR all the episodes. Good chance for people to catch up and get the better quality versions than the streaming.

Didn't realize they only have 9 episodes for this series. Per the blog:

The Expanse will wrap its nine-episode first season on February 2, with Season 2 scheduled to commence in early 2017.

Bizarre considering most websites like IMDB have 10 episodes down.
 

mm04

Member
Just marathoned the 4 episodes I had on my DVR. Damn, I like it! I won't lie, I wasn't sure I was going to watch it until I read a second season was assured. I'm pretty excited to watch the rest of this season. The visuals are pretty good and I really like the cast as well. Good stuff.
 

Error

Jealous of the Glory that is Johnny Depp
So far, would people recommend this as a watch? And not a sliding scale of genre television.
Yep. Production values are very high, show looks nice as fuck.

Story and characters are interesting so far. Definitely a watch if you want some space opera in your life, and really who doesn't want some space opera?
 

JeffZero

Purple Drazi
Just marathoned the 4 episodes I had on my DVR. Damn, I like it! I won't lie, I wasn't sure I was going to watch it until I read a second season was assured. I'm pretty excited to watch the rest of this season. The visuals are pretty good and I really like the cast as well. Good stuff.

Glad you're into it! SyFy does two-season deals and then cancels after that sometimes, though, so spread the word that the show is legit.

So far, would people recommend this as a watch? And not a sliding scale of genre television.

Yeah. It is genuinely decent. Good, even.
 

mm04

Member
Well, if it makes you feel any better, I didn't know who was actually in this show going into it. Then was pleasantly surprised that I started recognizing folks here and there who I didn't outright hate.
 

DixieFlatline

Neo Member
I'm no astrophysicist so maybe I'm a bit off here but won't violent depressurization like a hull breach completely kill any human being exposed to it?
It's happened twice in the show and I don't understand how they've survived it.

Anyone out there smarter than me that can explain?
 

lt519

Member
They may be counting the two pilot episodes as one.

But counting to February 2nd is only 9 episodes with January 5 being the 5th episode and the second being the 9th (maybe a finale double header!)

Also would love an explanation on the depressurization. I always just assumed the ships have stabilization systems to combat it or its not as instant in a vacuum? Honestly no clue.

Just finished book 3. I liked it a lot. Some of the motives are a little unclear to me. Book 3 spoiler:
So what really happened when Holden hooked in to the station? The creators destroyed themselves to stop the station or the station killed the creators? Why would the station do that or why would the creators destroy themselves. Was the station what Venus created or did Venus only make the gate and the station had always been there? It wasn't entirely clear
. Other than that loved it.
 

AzureSky

Member
Some of the motives are a little unclear to me. Book 3 spoiler:
So what really happened when Holden hooked in to the station? The creators destroyed themselves to stop the station or the station killed the creators? Why would the station do that or why would the creators destroy themselves. Was the station what Venus created or did Venus only make the gate and the station had always been there? It wasn't entirely clear
. Other than that loved it.

dont remember exactly where book 3 ended, might be a slight spoiler for the next one:
Venus made the Gate, the station already existed. Creators didnt destroy the station, they are long gone by now (reason for that is still a mystery). Station was fully automated and reacted to new arrivals and agression they showed like to an attack, but Holden and Millers Ghost managed to shut it down.
 
I'm no astrophysicist so maybe I'm a bit off here but won't violent depressurization like a hull breach completely kill any human being exposed to it?
It's happened twice in the show and I don't understand how they've survived it.

Anyone out there smarter than me that can explain?
Takes a little while for the air to move out of the space if the hole is small enough. What's in the show is closer to reality than in movies, with people flying across rooms and being sucked through pinhole leaks in the hull.

The human body can survive in vacuum for a moment as well, though it's super unpleasant.
 
Interview from a few weeks ago:

- Fast Company: How Showrunner Naren Shankar is Engineering "The Expanse"

Anecdotes:
Naren Shankar had just completed a Ph.D. in electrical engineering and applied physics at Cornell University when he announced to his parents that he was heading to Hollywood to write for television. His mother cried.
More than overt high-tech gadgets and technospeak, The Expanse uses second-nature interactions with technology, grounding the production design in plausible reality by extrapolating today’s science into the future.

"The books themselves are very technically oriented. So they worked out things like thrust gravity vs. spin gravity, what kind of fusion drive would get you across the solar system," says Shankar. "But we are trying to use the reality of space, which tends not to be done in most science fiction. We don’t have hyperspace buttons, we’re not going faster than light, or jumping across the galaxy. There’s a transmission delay when you talk across the solar system. Sometimes we have people in zero gravity. So the technical elements come into play, and if we’re doing our jobs right, we can actually use them for dramatic effect."

One engineering conceit Shankar did bring to the production design sprang from his thesis work in display technology (specifically, liquid crystal fiber-optic switching).

"We always talk about where projection technology is going, like smart fabrics and embedded displays," he says. "One of the things we tried to do was have any surface be able to project an image, with universal interfaces, and everything being wireless. So, for example, our versions of smartphones—we call them hand terminals or palms—are able to project volumetric displays. People have fluid gestural interfaces with devices. Just nobody’s talking about them."

Despite such visual flourishes, "it’s not a technoporn type of show," he adds. "We’re not building a show around gadgets. It’s a blue-collar version of space; it’s just people doing a job out there. The technology is in the world, people use it, but they don’t sit around talking about it. We also talk about mining asteroids and ships going out to the asteroid belt, and that kind of stuff is very much in the news right now. We’re in the very early stirrings of a commercial, privatized space industry, so we’re projecting forward from the present day."
 

lt519

Member
That's one way to use a Ph.D.!

"My son is going to change the world!" "No Mom, I'm going to build worlds...fake worlds"

I love that Miller's Hand Terminal has a crack in it. I can see 50 years in the future having phones like that and people still waiting 2 years for their contracts to expire so they can trade in their cracked Hand Terminals. Little touches like this crack me up.

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How are you liking the show Cornballer? I'm not sure I've actually seen you post your opinion of it.

edit: oh God I hate myself for bolded
 

sammex

Member
I really enjoyed the first four episodes. I've read the books (except the latest) and it's a great adaptation - I'm so glad they gave it a decent budget.
 
How are you liking the show Cornballer? I'm not sure I've actually seen you post your opinion of it.

It's been a solid start for the show, though I agree with the complaints about the lack of convergence and thematic consistency within episodes. I understand that they have a lot of ground to cover but I wish it was a little better constructed in terms of the plotting. Much of this has been mitigated by the ability to watch all four episodes at once. Beyond that, the characters are fun (though a wee bit tropey and I'm hoping they branch out more), the world building is well done (particularly the detailed production design, as you've pointed out), and I'm looking forward to watching more as the series unfolds. It definitely scratches a certain itch for me, and I'm pleased to see SyFy doing sci-fi again.
What day of the week does this show come on? And when does this show go up on itunes
New episodes air on Tuesdays.
 
I ended up buying the first novel the other day. Only a few chapters in but I'm liking it a lot. I figure I'll be retreading the stuff I already saw on TV for a little bit, but I'm excited about getting to the new stuff.
 

RPS37

Member
I just watched episode 3 last night. I'm pleasantly surprised by this show and the fact it got picked up for a second season.
 

lt519

Member
It's been a solid start for the show, though I agree with the complaints about the lack of convergence and thematic consistency within episodes. I understand that they have a lot of ground to cover but I wish it was a little better constructed in terms of the plotting. Much of this has been mitigated by the ability to watch all four episodes at once. Beyond that, the characters are fun (though a wee bit tropey and I'm hoping they branch out more), the world building is well done (particularly the detailed production design, as you've pointed out), and I'm looking forward to watching more as the series unfolds. It definitely scratches a certain itch for me, and I'm pleased to see SyFy doing sci-fi again.

Awesome! Pretty spot on with my thoughts so far.

SyFy at CES

Thought this was a pretty cool initiative. Basically they've created SyFy Labs to keep exploring technology and how they can tie it into their shows. Specifically they have VR Apps coming for The Expanse and this cool tidbit:

More recently it has experimented with virtual reality for shows like The Expanse and worked with the Philips Hue Internet-connected lighting system to add features to the Syfy Sync app that change the lighting along with plot developments in shows like The Expanse and 12 Monkeys.

If that is reading how I think it is, having a TV show be able to control your lighting environment could be pretty cool! Having red flash in your own room while alarms are going off on a ship would be neat. Edit: Guess they've been doing this for a while, still pretty neat!

The Expanse is the best new science fiction series in years

Ars Technica gives the show high praise before Episode 5. Most other outlets have seemed to be mum for a while now. Good crowd to get involved. Also a decent recap of the landscape.
 

Crispy75

Member
Just got cuaght up to episode 4.

Well this just pushes all my buttons in very pleasureable ways :)

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Superb worldbuilding. Everything fits together and it's a totally believable world.
Near-faultless hard science in TV sci-fi. Is this a first? Liquids going sideways due to coriolis force, burning main engines to stop, delayed comms, Space War that's mostly sitting in windowless rooms watching dots on screens. Great stuff.
Intriguing plot. Mysteries! Murders! Escape! I want to know what happens next.
On a TV budget, this is a very impressive production. Ships and enviroments are movie-quality IMO. Even the zero-G shots don't look completely fake and ropey.

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The characters are rather roughly sketched Neither my wife or I can remember their names; they're Medic, Haircut, Muscle, Hero, Pilot, Earth Lady, Good Cop, Bad Cop etc.
The sound editor mixed the vocal track too low. Maybe it sounds better in 5.1?
There's sound in space :(

Very glad this has a 2nd series already, and I sincerely hope that word of mouth ensures its further success.
 

lt519

Member
Pretty slow episode for the crew; I still don't feel like they have distinct personalities.

Really like the Rocinante set though!

It was neat to see the Anderson Bay story, that was unexpected. The Mao investigation is starting to shape up too, although they don't really reiterate anything so it's tough to follow Millers line of thinking if you miss something. Even having read the books it's not easy to follow.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Only 4 more episodes? No way they can finish the book, right? I'm worried that they are going too slow, if there is a year gap till season 2 and the main plot hasn't kicked in yet will people still care?
 
I absolutely cannot take Tom Jane seriously with that Natalie Dormer haircut he's sporting

Just wait until later in the season when he has a three-way with Tommen and Ser Pounce.

Good episode. As a fan of the books I had a big dopey grin on my face when they were naming the Rocinante.
 

suzu

Member
They toned down the brutality of the events on Anderson Station, but am surprised they fit it in the show anyway. Not a super exciting episode, but it was nice seeing the crew slowly acclimating. Holden and his love for coffee~~

Non-specific book stuff:
Those random hints about some characters' pasts, hehe. :p Although I don't remember Alex having a kid.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
The set design for the ship is so cheap compared to the Ceres sets. I still have no idea how big the ship is supposed to be because all they have are a series of single rooms with grey ways and a generic looking hallway. From the inside, the ship could be as big as that Martian ship that blew up in episode 4.
 

lt519

Member
Yeah after last nights episode there is no way they are going to fit Book 1 into Season 1 but I can see where they'll break and I think that'll be fine.

I can't help but think that if this had a premium network backing it and they could do 52-55 minute episodes instead of 42 minute episodes the character development would benefit immensely. I've gotten a sense for who Miller is but they've barely scratched the surface of some of the Rocinante's crew members. They've been involved in so much action/captivity that besides the brief first episode with Holden we've barely had a few minutes with each character.
 

RS4-

Member
Yeah after last nights episode there is no way they are going to fit Book 1 into Season 1 but I can see where they'll break and I think that'll be fine.

I can't help but think that if this had a premium network backing it and they could do 52-55 minute episodes instead of 42 minute episodes the character development would benefit immensely. I've gotten a sense for who Miller is but they've barely scratched the surface of some of the Rocinante's crew members. They've been involved in so much action/captivity that besides the brief first episode with Holden we've barely had a few minutes with each character.

I think I know where they'll stop too. I might just read book 1 again. Last nights ep was fine, even with the extended Miller hair time.
 

Ledhead

Member
While ep 5 isn't as action packed as 4, it was great nonetheless. Having not read the books, the story and different plotlines are finally taking shape. I have a much better idea of what is going on now then I did in the earlier eps
 

obin_gam

Member
Just finished Ep5 and it was as good as the rest of them.
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JeffZero

Purple Drazi
Just finished Ep5 and it was as good as the rest of them.
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As a book reader I laughed so much at Holden's scenes with the coffee machine, glad they're embraced his obsessive love with it early on.

Episode was good, really digging how they're portraying both story lines especially Miller's.
 

sammex

Member
Just finished Ep5 and it was as good as the rest of them.
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So say we all!

This ep was a bit slower but I thought more time getting to know the characters better was needed. The story is set up nicely in the first four so I'm glad they will be taking their time with the remaining eps rather try to fit in all of the first book in s1. Dropping Arasavala for the time being is a good move.

Wish this season was 13 eps though.
 
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