The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Fast - Tuesdays 8/7c

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Neoxon said:
I believe that's how they're gonna change up the status quo for later seasons. With Wells & Caitlin gone, Barry & Cisco will probably have to hold down the fort (hopefully Joe is still there to help out). I'm guessing they'll at least have Firestorm on board to help, & maybe introduce Wally West by then.
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Have they even had a peep about Wally other than the West family existing?
 
Shahadan said:
Just watched the last episode, very close to drop it. I'm really sick of all the dumb stuff and this episode had a shitload of it.
Wasted potential too regarding the Ronnie/Stein character.
That said I'm still interested in the Wells storyline so I'll likey watch until the end of the season...sigh.
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Sho_Nuff82 said:
Like I said during the episode, this is what she did:
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I think I might have found the disconnect for me and people upset at Iris' behavior: I don't see her actions as being intentionally malicious.

The interaction between Lana and Iris literally goes like this (I went back and rewatched the conversation):

Lana: You and Barry are BFFs, right?
Iris: The BEST of BFFs!
...
Lana: What was his last girlfriend like?
Iris: You know, he hasn't really had a girlfriend in a while. I dunno, maybe he's just not ready yet.
Lana: What do you mean?
Iris: You know, he was into someone. An unrequited love thing. He had feelings for someone and they weren't really reciprocated. Yeah, maybe just give him time.
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I don't see this as Iris intentionally trying to get between Barry and a new love interest. She never even makes it really clear in any other way besides body language that she's the unrequited love. Lana was just smart enough to be able to infer that.

Further, from the character's perspective what Iris says actually appears to be true and correct to her. The only information she has to go off of is that Barry is acting like a flake around a woman who works fairly closely to the other woman he bared his damn soul to just a few weeks ago. She has no real way to know that Barry has really moved on or not. When presented with some bits of information, I think she makes a pretty safe assumption.

Iris is only really guilty of being sorta honest with Lana and, through that conversation, working through the conflicting feelings her sorta-Brother/BFF/pining secret love dumped at her feet.
 
So Flash comic readers, is there a chance that Dr Wells is actually Barry grown up and not reverse flash? And he can't use his powers in present day because he messes them up traveling through time? And that his "wife" doesnt exist or is Iris, who knows Barry's secret in the future?

Or am i just making things up in my head and trying to figure this out?
 
zychi said:
So Flash comic readers, is there a chance that Dr Wells is actually Barry grown up and not reverse flash? And he can't use his powers in present day because he messes them up traveling through time? And that his "wife" doesnt exist or is Iris, who knows Barry's secret in the future?

Or am i just making things up in my head and trying to figure this out?
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Honestly, anything could happen at this point.

The writers from the start of the show said that Wells was an original character but no one really believes them. However with a character named Eddie Thawne being in the show, the whole Reverse Flash storyline seems to have been thrown for a loop. There are a lot of similarities between Wells and Barry so anything could be possible at this point
 
Wells being Barry from the future doesn't make a lot of sense unless there is cosmetic surgery involved or something. It isn't like Barry is 15 and Wells is 80, they're both adults. Barry would already look like him. Yeah it is a TV show, but I would imagine they'd cast way older for Wells to make it more plausible if they planned on doing something like that.

Plus the story reasons behind it wouldn't play well for the Barry character. No matter how grim things got in the future, can you really see Barry threatening Joe and Iris for any reason? It just becomes Barry stopping himself from becoming an asshole in the future. But it sorta undermines the core of the character. Not to mention that Wells looks at the picture of Barry in the suit from the future. The article is about the Flash disappearing, which appears to be what Wells is trying to fix. If Wells is The Flash, that would make no sense.
 
zychi said:
So Flash comic readers, is there a chance that Dr Wells is actually Barry grown up and not reverse flash? And he can't use his powers in present day because he messes them up traveling through time? And that his "wife" doesnt exist or is Iris, who knows Barry's secret in the future?

Or am i just making things up in my head and trying to figure this out?
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My guess is that the timeline we are in is actually the Flashpoint timeline. While I haven't read the comics, I did see the movie. The two things that stick out are that inside the Flashpoint timeline, Flash

1) did not have his powers
2) had the Reverse-Flash in his possession

It could be that Wells went back and tried to save his mom from the Reverse Flash, but failed. The Reverse Flash dumped him in this timeline without his powers or his regular suit. This could also be used to explain:

That's why he's pushing Barry to get stronger, to beat the Reverse Flash.
That's why he took the power negating guy's blood, to weaken the Reverse Flash.
That's why he killed Simon Stagg, his death would be wiped out when the timeline reset.
That's why he was nice to Gorilla Grodd/named a different gorilla Grodd, he's always had a soft spot for his villians.
That's why he was so upset with Cisco and the freeze gun, he could have stopped Cold from becoming a Rogue.
That's why he recruited Caitlin, Ronnie, Cisco and the Pied Piper, he wanted to bring them into the fold to stop Reverse Flash.

The thing I feel helps this theory out the most was actually the last episode. When Wells picks up the gun, he starts rubbing the back of his neck. A scar has appeared on the back of Wells' neck the episode after Barry got shot in the back of the neck.

But this is just speculation.
 
JDMC13 said:
The thing I feel helps this theory out the most was actually the last episode. When Wells picks up the gun, he starts rubbing the back of his neck. A scar has appeared on the back of Wells' neck the episode after Barry got shot in the back of the neck.

But this is just speculation.
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I just watched the scene you were talking about and I didn't see a scar. There's only a faint red outline from the pressure of his hand. I think they used that body language/camera angle to show unease at the choice he's making (and to show off the ring he's wearing).
 
Grizzlyjin said:
Wells being Barry from the future doesn't make a lot of sense unless there is cosmetic surgery involved or something. It isn't like Barry is 15 and Wells is 80, they're both adults. Barry would already look like him. Yeah it is a TV show, but I would imagine they'd cast way older for Wells to make it more plausible if they planned on doing something like that.

Plus the story reasons behind it wouldn't play well for the Barry character. No matter how grim things got in the future, can you really see Barry threatening Joe and Iris for any reason? It just becomes Barry stopping himself from becoming an asshole in the future. But it sorta undermines the core of the character. Not to mention that Wells looks at the picture of Barry in the suit from the future. The article is about the Flash disappearing, which appears to be what Wells is trying to fix. If Wells is The Flash, that would make no sense.
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Its just a threat, if he knows the future, he knows he wint actually hurt them.
 
Lana: You and Barry are BFFs, right?
Iris: The BEST of BFFs!
...
Lana: What was his last girlfriend like?
Iris: You know, he hasn't really had a girlfriend in a while. I dunno, maybe he's just not ready yet.
Lana: What do you mean?
Iris: You know, he was into someone. An unrequited love thing. He had feelings for someone and they weren't really reciprocated. Yeah, maybe just give him time.
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morningbus said:
I don't see this as Iris intentionally trying to get between Barry and a new love interest. She never even makes it really clear in any other way besides body language that she's the unrequited love. Lana was just smart enough to be able to infer that.

Further, from the character's perspective what Iris says actually appears to be true and correct to her. The only information she has to go off of is that Barry is acting like a flake around a woman who works fairly closely to the other woman he bared his damn soul to just a few weeks ago. She has no real way to know that Barry has really moved on or not. When presented with some bits of information, I think she makes a pretty safe assumption.

Iris is only really guilty of being sorta honest with Lana and, through that conversation, working through the conflicting feelings her sorta-Brother/BFF/pining secret love dumped at her feet.
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That is straight up sabotage. Linda reads between the lines straight away, because Iris said it in a way that it would make Linda have doubts about being with Barry. If you wanted your to help your friend why even bother mentioning his shitty romantic past?
 
"You know when he's with you? Yeah...he's thinking about someone else."

That's essentially what Iris said. Does it even matter that Iris just happens to be that "someone else"? Not really.
 
yeah Iris was clearly trying to throw up red flags to wedge between Linda & Barry

move on Iris... i don't even like the Iris / Barry relationship inevitability. it seems too much like incest.
 
anyone knows where can i watch the first episode online? free? CW has the latest episodes to watch free but the ones before episode 9 are MIA on their site
 
Vizantir said:
Damn! Linda!

*Obamasweatinggif*

Lol, she seems like the type that would want a ring on it eventually, though.

Barry hop on that! :o
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well i think most women want a ring on it "eventually" but that.... was not what i got out of that episode at all
 
Knowing what these show runners have said in the past about comic relationships translating.. I have no doubt we'll see the show eventually pair up people as they are in the comics.. but brushing that aside to speculate...

I think we need to see more of Linda's personality. From what we've seen so far I think she's too assertive and independent for Barry's personality as it is currently. Barry being more on the sensitive/reserved side in addition to the secrecy involved in being Flash seems like it would leave her dissatisfied. So unless she has a softer side that's more forgiving and empathetic, I see her moving on fairly quickly.
 
Skux said:
That is straight up sabotage. Linda reads between the lines straight away, because Iris said it in a way that it would make Linda have doubts about being with Barry. If you wanted your to help your friend why even bother mentioning his shitty romantic past?
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I don't doubt the effect it had. Obviously Linda was able to figure it out.

What I'm arguing is whether Iris did this out of intentional malice. I think by the way she was almost forcing herself to say it to Linda, she herself was just figuring out what all this meant.

Sometimes it is hard to know what is going on unless you remove yourself as a participant. Iris did this finally while talking to Linda.
 
With the time travel thing I'm pretty sure I've said it a couple times here but I'm going to quote a post a made a couple months ago on another site.

PHOENIXZERO said:
I'm skipping over posts but my "theory" on it is basically taking how things happened with Barry's story in the comics pre-Crisis and after he came back.

Prime Timeline: Barry's mother isn't murdered, still becomes the Flash through the same circumstances except he's not infused with the Speed Force immediately or have such great access to it so soon, has a generally happy trauma free life, gets involved with Iris early on and things happen as they do. No Caitlin, no Cisco, no Wells, Barry's progress is much slower. Zoom/Whatever you want to call him goes back and kills Barry's mother and you can pretty much gleam most of what happened in this timeline from the comics.

Now, either you could have...

Time Split A: Nora is murdered, Henry goes to prison, young Barry was late getting home and much of the rebooted Barry Allen story happens, everything happens as it's still destined to, Barry gets his powers again with out the particle accelerator "accident" and again no STAR Labs team. Everything happens though as it still should, including Iris and Barry getting together and so on, the Crisis happens and whatever. Eventually Barry chases Professor Zoom who perhaps has decided that more needs to be done to Barry. Barry discovers it was Professor Zoom who murdered his mom they fight around Nora but this time it happened later so Barry is , hell Flash Point could've come from this instance and we'll never see it. Things are changed again.

Time Split B: The new timeline that we're currently watching. Barry is home this time with Nora's murder happening at night things happen similarly to TSA but Future Barry shows up and fights with PZ but Barry realizing that due to Professor Zoom's previous time traveling shenanigans Barry can't save his mother and instead spares his younger self from witnessing Nora's murder. Professor Zoom decides he's going to need to do more to make Barry "better", perhaps with some help, goes back but doing so gets stuck in the past as his suit loses power. Establishes himself as Harrison Wells and uses his knowledge of the future. Wells main goal is to make TSB Barry all that he can been and sooner for his own insane interest in making the Flash the best hero he can be along with some other goal that we don't know about yet. I should probably include Eddie in TSA though that seems like something Wells could've put into motion as well, I think Wells has also learned this time from first hand observation is that Barry was always going to be a hero without the loss of those close to him and pushing himself and it could've been channeled differently or something.

Always possible that RF/PZ went back further and screwed with things even more than we already know. They've left themselves a big out for if they want to change the show up or have a need to tone Barry's powers down eventually. I do think Barry would've been the Flash regardless of his mother dying, just like they've been hammering home with the "lightning chose you Barry" thing, it was his destiny to be the Flash. Nora was a casualty of Professor Zoom wanting to ruin Barry's life.

It's late, I probably should've waited until I slept to write this and of course Time Split A could be what we're watching now. I'm kinda sorta mixing Zoom/Professor Zoom on purpose because I do think they're going to do the same for the most part. :\:\
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I could go through and change a couple things, maybe update with episodes that have aired since but I'm too tired to bother now. I think it's possible we could be on timeline three with the show.


Neoxon said:
And like that, the SnowBarry ship goes down like the Titanic. In other news,
it looks like the build-up towards Killer Frost is starting.
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Good, the less ship fulfilling the better, especially when it gets to pandering as Arrow has done this season.
 
Neoxon said:
I believe that's how they're gonna change up the status quo for later seasons. With Wells & Caitlin gone, Barry & Cisco will probably have to hold down the fort (hopefully Joe is still there to help out). I'm guessing they'll at least have Firestorm on board to help, & maybe introduce Wally West by then.
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Since you compared it to the Scooby Gang, that made me think:

Anyone seen Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Y'all remember Willow's arc? Y'all remember what happened in season six?

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That's my bet for what they do with Ms. Snow.
OdysseusVA said:
Oh dear
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She is, though. Maybe not the most useful, but it's hard to deny that a) she kept Team Arrow together b) Primarily calls the shots when Ollie isn't around and c) she gud wit computers.

She's useful. Even if it seems ridiculous, the writers make her useful.
 
Y'all need to lay off of Iris. She didn't say anything wrong. It was either feign ignornace, which Linda would've seen straight through, or give a reasonable response to the question without inferring too much or making any definitive statements. She chose the latter.
 
I was watching The Goldbergs this week, dude gave his HS gf a Green Lantern ring for Valentine's Day; she decided to stay with him over a guy a foot taller. We all wish we had game that strong.
 
Sho_Nuff82 said:
I was watching The Goldbergs this week, dude gave his HS gf a Green Lantern ring for Valentine's Day; she decided to stay with him over a guy a foot taller. We all wish we had game that strong.
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She never considered leaving him though, it was just in his insecure head. She also, like him isn't in high school yet, she's just getting HS attention.

More importantly though, The Goldbergs OT.
 
Iris has always been the worst character on the show and she proved it once again in this episode. Why is it so hard to write good female characters?

And Firestorm looks still ridiculous. It's not bad by any means, but it somehow looks wrong to me. Somehow not really convincing.

Other than that it was another really fun episode.
 
brotkasten said:
Iris has always been the worst character on the show and she proved it once again in this episode. Why is it so hard to write good female characters?

And Firestorm looks still ridiculous. It's not bad by any means, but it somehow looks wrong to me. Somehow not really convincing.

Other than that it was another really fun episode.
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I don't think it is that hard.

I think it's more a matter of people having an unnatural bias against female characters.

That being said, I'll agree that she's the worst character on the show, only because it feels like she's not doing much. She's still not even that bad.
 
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