The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Fast - Tuesdays 8/7c

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Kabuki Waq said:
Wells doesnt really believe that whole dont mess with the past stuff. Look at how many people he has killed already.

Hell he isnt even supposed to meet Barry.
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He can control those changes. He knows who he can kill and which treat they pose to Barry, which is the only thing he wants to ensure: Barry surviving until 2024.
 
Wells complains about the fragility of the timespace continuum but he went back centuries in order to kill Barry Allen. I think preventing The Flash from existing would've changed the future a bit more than whatever Barry is doing now.

Besides, the future that Wells wants to go back to likely no longer exists as any minor changes would progressively worsen the further into the future (from the point of divergence) you go.
 
Wait...we still don't know Wells endgame right?

As in the reason he went back in time (if that was even on purpose) and tried to kill kid Barry in the first place?
 
Idde said:
So, the whole speech Wells gave about Iris, how some incident could be necessary to bring some deep emotions up, and overriding rational thought, could that be foreshadowing to not killing Cisco in the future? Wells also spoke to Cisco about how Cisco had to make a choice between people he loved, so he was not to blame.

In the previous episode Wells did the rational thing by killing Cisco, and thus saving what I assume is his son (grandson, whatever) Eddie. But what if Wells now thinks of Cisco as his son (jogged by Cisco leaving), so he'll make a different, less rational decision in the future?
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You're thinking too hard about it. Wells killed Cisco to protect his secret. Cisco doesn't find it out in this timeline, so there's no reason to kill him.

The "son" line is just a callback to Wells' speech in the previous timeline.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
Wells complains about the fragility of the timespace continuum but he went back centuries in order to kill Barry Allen. I think preventing The Flash from existing would've changed the future a bit more than whatever Barry is doing now.

Besides, the future that Wells wants to go back to likely no longer exists as any minor changes would progressively worsen the further into the future (from the point of divergence) you go.
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All he is trying to do is keep Barry away from time travel so his plan doesn't get fucked up
 
Green Slime said:
Eddie is not his son or grandson. Eddie is his ancestor. Probably great-great-great-great grandfather or something along those lines. Wells is from the future.
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Yes, Wells is from the future, and I'm apparently an idiot...

MHWilliams said:
You're thinking too hard about it. Wells killed Cisco to protect his secret. Cisco doesn't find it out in this timeline, so there's no reason to kill him.

The "son" line is just a callback to Wells' speech in the previous timeline.
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Yeah, probably overthinking it. It probably just shows how Wells does think of Cisco as his son, regardless of how he might need to kill him someday.
 
grendelrt said:
The felicity genius shit is fucking cringe worthy everytime. Fuck Intel, felicity built a custom processor in one day!
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that's way less crazy than Cisco being able to build two guns, one of which can reach absolute zero, and the other of which can reach Planck temperature, which is even MORE ridiculous.

Then he did it again on top of a damn table in some random house in one day.

Nothing Felicity has done has come close to that level of science bullshit.
 
Htown said:
that's way less crazy than Cisco being able to build two guns, one of which can reach absolute zero, and the other of which can reach Planck temperature, which is even MORE ridiculous.

Then he did it again on top of a damn table in some random house in one day.

Nothing Felicity has done has come close to that level of science bullshit.
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Queen Consolidated and Palmer Technologies are screwed when Smoak/Ramon goes public.
 
Htown said:
that's way less crazy than Cisco being able to build two guns, one of which can reach absolute zero, and the other of which can reach Planck temperature, which is even MORE ridiculous.

Then he did it again on top of a damn table in some random house in one day.

Nothing Felicity has done has come close to that level of science bullshit.
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I think both are stupid as hell and wish they would tone down both, but at least Cisco is an engineer. Felicity is a programmer and designed a processor lol.
 
Question for the comic folks. What's the deal with Captain Cold and crew? Do they eventually turn into good guys or something or at least is the scenario that happened last episode something that happens in the comics? Just wondering if we're seeing them evolve into something and will possibly pop up in other episodes.
 
Double D said:
Question for the comic folks. What's the deal with Captain Cold and crew? Do they eventually turn into good guys or something or at least is the scenario that happened last episode something that happens in the comics? Just wondering if we're seeing them evolve into something and will possibly pop up in other episodes.
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They've generally kept to a no kill rule throughout the comics. After the forever evil arc they were seen as heroes and Captain Cold is now a part of the Justice League thanks to Lex Luthor. Yeah, that's right... it got weird.

But I reckon they'll keep with the "villain with a no kill rule", at least when it comes to the Rogues.
 
I didn't really enjoy this episode, in part because of the ridiculous weapon-building. I know, comic books, but as has been frequently discussed, there are limits or rules to suspension of disbelief.

Pluses were: The former Jane Sterling is still super hot, and we finally got to meet Cisco's brother even though the relationship is pretty clichéd. Everything else: the Iris BS, the weird deal with Captain Cold, the magical weapons... It was too silly.
 
Htown said:
that's way less crazy than Cisco being able to build two guns, one of which can reach absolute zero, and the other of which can reach Planck temperature, which is even MORE ridiculous.

Then he did it again on top of a damn table in some random house in one day.

Nothing Felicity has done has come close to that level of science bullshit.
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Cisco built those guns in a random house with a box of scraps!
 
I both love and hate the ice and fire team. Love how cheesy they are and their obviously forced comically evil acting. But man do I hate little things. Like the fire dude can't ever stop making fire puns or thinking about fire. There are other things out there man.

Also captain cold using his fluffy jacket and putting the hood on in the middle of a building. I know I know show with costumes but it's a real article of clothing and I laughed.
 
Great, now I'm imagining the golden shower jokes/references. Golden Glider getting a new name...

So, just realized that with Arrow finally getting around
to using H.I.V.E. That might be what they use to explain
Caitlin
becoming KIller Frost since I guess they're responsible for it in the New 52 universe.
 
Idde said:
Yeah, probably overthinking it. It probably just shows how Wells does think of Cisco as his son, regardless of how he might need to kill him someday.
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Pretty much. The idea being that Wells actually does feel for the team, but he'll kill them to finish his plans.
 
liliththepale said:
Either way, it's still an alchemy gun and has no basis of existing in the Flash universe set up by the show. Especially following Wells last week saying Cisco's good, but not that good. Uh, apparently he is that good.
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In my mind I am just assuming it doesn't actually turn things into gold but rather covers them in some substance that is gold in color. It's easier for me to swallow that pill even if it's not supposed to work that way.

I thought this past episode was kind of meh
 
Htown said:
that's way less crazy than Cisco being able to build two guns, one of which can reach absolute zero, and the other of which can reach Planck temperature, which is even MORE ridiculous.

Then he did it again on top of a damn table in some random house in one day.

Nothing Felicity has done has come close to that level of science bullshit.
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With a box of scraps!

Edit: Also, I'm pretty sure the Gold Gun does not turn things into gold, ESPECIALLY with Linda saying "All that glitters..."

The entire saying is "All that glitters is not gold"
 
Terrible, just terrible, time travel really ruins everything. I did like Eddie's pitiful expression at Barry, such an awkward grin.
 
JDSN said:
Terrible, just terrible, time travel really ruins everything. I did like Eddie's pitiful expression at Barry, such an awkward grin.
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Time Travel has literally been a part of this show since the first five minutes.
 
morningbus said:
Time Travel has literally been a part of this show since the first five minutes.
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Time Travel stories are fine to me in the "if it has already happened, it will always happen" sense, but I've always found time travel as a way of undo-ing past events is the ultimate cop-out from a story telling perspective and removes the dramatic impact of anything that happened before time travel was used to "fix" everything.

For example, the episode before last was awesome and had a ton of awesome stuff happen (Cisco's death, the chief getting injured, Barry's step dad captured, the painfully awkward Barry/Iris relationship stuff finally resolved, and the entire city at risk by a massive tidal wave), but because of time travel, none of that mattered in the overall story. That awesome episode might as well not exist anymore except in Barry's head.

It's an interesting concept from a sci-fi perspective, but from a storytelling perspective it always ends up as a super lame deus ex machina or reset switch. I'm sure they'll pull a Back to the Future 2/Flashpoint later on when Barry tries to save his mom, but for the moment all they did was undo all of what made that episode great.
 
Rodney McKay said:
Time Travel stories are fine to me in the "if it has already happened, it will always happen" sense, but I've always found time travel as a way of undo-ing past events is the ultimate cop-out from a story telling perspective and removes the dramatic impact of anything that happened before time travel was used to "fix" everything.

For example, the episode before last was awesome and had a ton of awesome stuff happen (Cisco's death, the chief getting injured, Barry's step dad captured, the painfully awkward Barry/Iris relationship stuff finally resolved, and the entire city at risk by a massive tidal wave), but because of time travel, none of that mattered in the overall story. That awesome episode might as well not exist anymore except in Barry's head.

It's an interesting concept from a sci-fi perspective, but from a storytelling perspective it always ends up as a super lame deus ex machina or reset switch. I'm sure they'll pull a Back to the Future 2/Flashpoint later on when Barry tries to save his mom, but for the moment all they did was undo all of what made that episode great.
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Time travel is the only reason why that episode was even possible. And while those events were reset, we as the audience learned a lot of crucial info regarding Wells
 
Rodney McKay said:
Time Travel stories are fine to me in the "if it has already happened, it will always happen" sense, but I've always found time travel as a way of undo-ing past events is the ultimate cop-out from a story telling perspective and removes the dramatic impact of anything that happened before time travel was used to "fix" everything.

For example, the episode before last was awesome and had a ton of awesome stuff happen (Cisco's death, the chief getting injured, Barry's step dad captured, the painfully awkward Barry/Iris relationship stuff finally resolved, and the entire city at risk by a massive tidal wave), but because of time travel, none of that mattered in the overall story. That awesome episode might as well not exist anymore except in Barry's head.

It's an interesting concept from a sci-fi perspective, but from a storytelling perspective it always ends up as a super lame deus ex machina or reset switch. I'm sure they'll pull a Back to the Future 2/Flashpoint later on when Barry tries to save his mom, but for the moment all they did was undo all of what made that episode great.
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I agree, if they pull more episodes like that I'll probably get annoyed. I liked what happened with Barry and Iris, and Cisco's death meant something. To just hit the reset is kind of lame. (Although it did set up Barry knowing about Wells finally)
 
Rodney McKay said:
Time Travel stories are fine to me in the "if it has already happened, it will always happen" sense, but I've always found time travel as a way of undo-ing past events is the ultimate cop-out from a story telling perspective and removes the dramatic impact of anything that happened before time travel was used to "fix" everything.

For example, the episode before last was awesome and had a ton of awesome stuff happen (Cisco's death, the chief getting injured, Barry's step dad captured, the painfully awkward Barry/Iris relationship stuff finally resolved, and the entire city at risk by a massive tidal wave), but because of time travel, none of that mattered in the overall story. That awesome episode might as well not exist anymore except in Barry's head.

It's an interesting concept from a sci-fi perspective, but from a storytelling perspective it always ends up as a super lame deus ex machina or reset switch. I'm sure they'll pull a Back to the Future 2/Flashpoint later on when Barry tries to save his mom, but for the moment all they did was undo all of what made that episode great.
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Time travel stories can also be good in the 'road not traveled' sense.

mjc said:
I agree, if they pull more episodes like that I'll probably get annoyed. I liked what happened with Barry and Iris, and Cisco's death meant something. To just hit the reset is kind of lame. (Although it did set up Barry knowing about Wells finally)
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All those events are so aberrant to the status quo, that if this episode were to be played straight it would be extremely problematic.
 
I don't think time travel is exactly undoing everything.

Cisco reacted to Wells calling him the closest thing to a son...or was it a reaction cause it feels..familiar?


Also I like this

Wells: Whatever you do, don't tell me anything else

Barry: *Literally tells him everything else*
 
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