The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Fast - Tuesdays 8/7c

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When Cisco was first introduced to us on Arrow before The Flash had even aired I didn't like him but since then he's been fantastic. He can do the serious scenes well like the encounter with Wells but he's also great at the comic relief side of things.

Yeah, at the beginning I was convinced he was going to be the most annoying, stereotypical 'nerd' character. He is still the nerdy character, but thankfully not a one-trick pony so to speak. They really nail the balance for Cisco between silly jokes and the more serious side of him. He's become one of my characters on the show, really didn't expect that.
 
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Barry's destined for Iris like in the comics. Likewise, Caitlin's meant for Ronnie.
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Caitlin's gonna become Killer Frost anyway.

You mean like Ollie is destined for Black Canary and not Felicity, right? And how Felicity Smoak is Ronnie's step mom, like in the comics, right?
 
Yeah I'm all for them breaking the mold as to who is destined to end up with who. It was one of the things that made Lana completely superfluous in Smallville.
 
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Was that before or after the fanbase had clamoured for Ollicity? Because plans can change.
Fan bases clamor for a lot of things. Doesn't mean they'll get them or that they'll last of they do get them.

Ollie and Laurel will be back together before long, I guarantee.
 
Was that before or after the fanbase had clamoured for Ollicity? Because plans can change.

Before. They also said Laurel would end up being Black Canary. Then they made Sara Black Canary and the fans clamored for Sara to stay as BC and Laurel to be written off the show.

Plans can change, sure. The fanbase hasn't been shown to influence that so far though.
 
Before. They also said Laurel would end up being Black Canary. Then they made Sara Black Canary and the fans clamored for Sara to stay as BC and Laurel to be written off the show.

Plans can change, sure. The fanbase hasn't been shown to influence that so far though.

Except isn't Sara supposed to be in the new spin off show? So far they've been pretty in touch with what the fans have wanted, they've even been having conversations over Diggle becoming John Stewart because of the fanbase.
 
Except isn't Sara supposed to be in the new spin off show? So far they've been pretty in touch with what the fans have wanted, they've even been having conversations over Diggle becoming John Stewart because of the fanbase.

The actress is supposed to be in the show but we don't know what character they'll play. Half of Firestorm is supposed to be in the show too. In fact that entire premise of that show and how it relates to the current shows is pretty unknown. And Guggenheim has said Diggle is Diggle and that's it. He's his own character.

But this is getting a bit off track. It boils down to the the producers having set end game plans and goals for their characters. They may meander on the way there but they ultimately stick to the path.
 
I give Smallville and its show runners/writers a lot of shit since it ended but at least even they didn't give in and pander to shippers by hooking Clark and Chloe up or really do much with it beyond Chloe having some crush on him early on... Then again, they were enamored with Lana/Kristen Kreuk so I shouldn't give them much credit.


I'm ignoring the "Clex" ship because the storyline they came up with for that, as awful as it was, successfully killed that ship and kind of was "fuck you" to them too... And them running out of ideas..
 
I give Smallville and its show runners/writers a lot of shit since it ended but at least even they didn't give in and pander to shippers by hooking Clark and Chloe up or really do much with it beyond Chloe having some crush on him early on... Then again, they were enamored with Lana/Kristen Kreuk so I shouldn't give them much credit.


I'm ignoring the "Clex" ship because the storyline they came up with for that, as awful as it was, successfully killed that ship and kind of was "fuck you" to them too... And them running out of ideas..


Speaking of Smallville, they should bring Allison Mack in on Arrow next season to be a love interest for Ollie.
 
After Ray's chemistry with Cisco the other week and now Laurel being awesome around him, I am convinced that the secret sauce to the CW/DCverse is Cisco. Is he strong enough to be the lead of a show? No. But he makes nearly everything that comes into contact with him better, both for the laughs (Ray and Laurel), but also the drama ("You've been dead to me for centuries.").


On a different note, AV Club did a good write up about the original Flash show, with all the good and the bad.
 
AV club is wrong recommending only the two trickster eps. The finale Trickster ep is a bit too silly, not reflective of the show overall. Captain Cold was pretty good for the time. If only there had been a 2nd season.
 
The actress is supposed to be in the show but we don't know what character they'll play. Half of Firestorm is supposed to be in the show too. In fact that entire premise of that show and how it relates to the current shows is pretty unknown. And Guggenheim has said Diggle is Diggle and that's it. He's his own character.

But this is getting a bit off track. It boils down to the the producers having set end game plans and goals for their characters. They may meander on the way there but they ultimately stick to the path.

I still think the spinoff show will be Earth 2
 
I would say the Arrow and Flash crew are strong enough to break comic destiny and whatever original plans they may have had. They may misstep but ultimately they'll do what's best for the show. Bless Smallville for never going full Clark and Chloe though, I love Allison Mack but even she couldn't save the type of melodrama Felicity is going through.

HIMYM taught us how bad it is to stick with an ending that the show has long outgrown.
 
What are the odds the music meister shows up on the Flash?

I'd love for a Music Meister Musical Flash episode. It would be perfect, and with 23 eps a season they can totally afford to do one "filler" musical episode. I've always been a fan of musical eps of shows and in this case they have a perfect excuse with an already established villain. Doesn't have to be NPH reprising the role, but that would be cool too. We need people to suggest this at every con until it happens.
 
yes it does. hell throw him into Arrow to sing about marrying canary

It would be cool if he did it, but he's sort of a big name actor that might be "above" doing a CW show. There are plenty of other great actors out there who can sing. Just because he played the character in his only appearance thus far doesn't mean he has to play him again, or forever.

It'd still be cool if they got him, I just don't think it'd be the end of the world if they didn't. The important thing is the concept.
 
It would be cool if he did it, but he's sort of a big name actor that might be "above" doing a CW show. There are plenty of other great actors out there who can sing. Just because he played the character in his only appearance thus far doesn't mean he has to play him again, or forever.

It'd still be cool if they got him, I just don't think it'd be the end of the world if they didn't. The important thing is the concept.

Harris seems like the type to do it for the character. Otherwise I'm thinking Matthew Morrison, years of Glee have proven he can ham it up like the best.
 
I don't know why you guys keep going?

It's pretty obvious from what Wells said in the preview that Barry will die. So that's the end of the show. RIP Flash show and OT :(
 
I don't know why you guys keep going?

It's pretty obvious from what Wells said in the preview that Barry will die. So that's the end of the show. RIP Flash show and OT :(

They better not pull another fast one on us!
 
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and Ronnie becoming the...non-fire elemental version of Firestorm?


The wikis are pretty sparse on the details. Somebody who read Ostrander's run on Firestorm could probably elaborate, but Ronnie gained the power to become Classic Firestorm without Stein, and Stein became a version they refer to as Elemental Firestorm. It seems Ronnie became "science" Firestorm, while Stein was a force of nature similar to Swamp Thing
 
Something is almost certain to happen between Ronnie and Stein. Whether either of them keeps any powers or if Ronnie is going to stay in the Arrowverse, or be made a regular or die is up in the air.

It would be cool if he did it, but he's sort of a big name actor that might be "above" doing a CW show. There are plenty of other great actors out there who can sing. Just because he played the character in his only appearance thus far doesn't mean he has to play him again, or forever.

It'd still be cool if they got him, I just don't think it'd be the end of the world if they didn't. The important thing is the concept.

NPH did Glee. And Harold and Kumar. He does everything, it's probably a matter of scheduling more than anything.

I also just realized that fucking David Cassidy played Mirror Master in the original Flash series. They could totally get him to play Sam Scudder. And Alexis Denisof - who is a series regular on another show unfortunately - to play Evan McCulloch. How cool and meta would that shit be. I know Denisof played Scudder in the animated series but his powers were more in line with McCulloch and he could do the accent.
 
I've wanted David Cassidy to appear in Arrow or Flash for a while now, if it wasn't for Hamill being awesome I'd be disappointed they've already done the "old super villain and successor" routine.

ok im retarded. i cant believe i didn't notice..

now we just need gannicus and oenomaus!

edit: in my defense I just started watching Spartacus last week ;)

I need to get back to watching Spartacus.
 
It's somewhat off topic, but all that nonsense about Katie Cassidy getting a "chin implant" presumably came from people who never saw her dad has the exact same chin.

If David Cassidy does appear in some context, it would be fun if Laurel showed up somehow.
 
It's somewhat off topic, but all that nonsense about Katie Cassidy getting a "chin implant" presumably came from people who never saw her dad has the exact same chin.

If David Cassidy does appear in some context, it would be fun if Laurel showed up somehow.

The chin implant stuff came about because of how strikingly different she looked from season one to two, now it's clear it was just an effect of her losing weight and how that changed the shape of her face... It did go over board and get pretty mean spirited though.


EDIT:New comicfyied scene from the next episode. Don't wanna say called it but...

 
I do however think Felicity and Ray make a great couple and really work/look good together, hopefully the writers on Arrow don't split them up to quickly (though i recon they will).

I thought it would be at least be longer than 1 day (time between the Flash episode and the Arrow episode) :(.
 
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