The Flash |OT| Gotta Go Fast - Tuesdays 8/7c

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I'm actually warning up to Iris quite a bit. She's super-likable, even if the show has put her in a weird corner.

Also, I sorta want her to find out that Barry is the Flash the same way she did in the comics.
Barry talks in his sleep.
But I also want her to find out sooner rather than later.
 
They really shouldn't have introduced Iris from the start, they should have waited a few seasons.

Like with Louis in Smallville.
 
It only took 6 episodes for the correct comic book name to be used for the hero, 3 season into Arrow and we are still waiting - the makers of Arrow could learn a thing or 2 from the makers of The Flash - ohh wait :(

Good episode, looking forward to the next version of that punch being the proper injustice super (around the globe :D).
 
Man, what a great episode.

Wells and Joe's interactions are some of the best scenes of this show so far. You can just see how well the too play off each other especially in the bar scene.

Iris is actually impressing more and more with each episode and I'm glad she got the finishing punch on the villain this week. The blog part of her character is still pretty iffy on me but I definitely think she's has been given less stupid lines to say which makes her as a character much better.

Barry and Thawne have a really cool dynamic going on as well and I like how the writers are actually making him an appreciative character rather than just the boyfriend in the way of Barry for Iris.

I also enjoyed Girder more as a villain than I thought I would. Having previous history with Barry as a bully and continuing to act like one even at his age made for a great antagonist for Barry to overcome and he was surprisingly smarter than I thought he would've been. Plus that supersonic punch was awesome as Cisco stated.

The teases at the end also keep getting better and better.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
All I want to know right now is if Clark Kent exists in the Arrow/Flash verse and if so, how old is he.
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ActuallyHulk said:
Bruce Wayne exists so Clark might as well. I know the two aren't bound by the hip but it's a sign that they're allowed to place these characters in their universe in some small way.
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I think the general public's reaction to the Flash in-universe kind of precludes the current or prior existence of Superman. I imagine that if there was an alien flying around, shooting beams out of his eyes, and running fast, a guy who can just run really fast wouldn't be that amazing. He may not have outed himself yet, but who knows at that point.

Batman is a different story, I think. You can explain him away with the fact that he operates in the shadows and does a much, much better job of it than Oliver.
 
morningbus said:
I think the general public's reaction to the Flash in-universe kind of precludes the current or prior existence of Superman. I imagine that if there was an alien flying around, shooting beams out of his eyes, and running fast, a guy who can just run really fast wouldn't be that amazing. He may not have outed himself yet, but who knows at that point.

Batman is a different story, I think. You can explain him away with the fact that he operates in the shadows and does a much, much better job of it than Oliver.
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Actually I think an argument could be made for it being both Pre-Superman AND Pre-Batman since there are no reports of either another city with a vigilante nor a flying hero. Clark and Wayne most likely exist but just haven't actually taken on their heroic roles.
 
ActuallyHulk said:
Bruce Wayne exists so Clark might as well. I know the two aren't bound by the hip but it's a sign that they're allowed to place these characters in their universe in some small way.
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I wouldn't get my hopes up too high here

They may technically "exist" but its clear that there is no desire to implement them in any meaningful way

Considering how DC is undermining the TV world with the new movie announcements and all.

Then again maybe they just want to run two separate Universes simultaneously. I personally like Marvel MCU approach but whatever
 
The Light said:
If the tv and movie universe are separate I don't understand why they cannot use characters like Batman and Superman.
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I personally don't really want them to use those specific characters because they loom too large. I prefer Flash and Arrow being the Superman and Batman of this universe.

Though it would be amazing to have a Batman crossover episode where he just straight-up clowns Oliver.
 
DrROBschiz said:
I wouldn't get my hopes up too high here

They may technically "exist" but its clear that there is no desire to implement them in any meaningful way

Considering how DC is undermining the TV world with the new movie announcements and all.

Then again maybe they just want to run two separate Universes simultaneously. I personally like Marvel MCU approach but whatever
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Yeah I'm not expecting any sort of an appearance by the two of them if Clark even does exist, unless they decide to go full COIE in the actual series finale. To me it's basically just them saying "Yes this character exists but this is not their story." Putting them in would very likely overshadow the characters the shows are actually about. Also I subscribe to the whole theory that they're just not active yet.
 
Jarrod38 said:
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That and the scene where he's chasing the guy with Officer Handsome were poorly composed.

I'm rapidly losing interest in this show. Sometimes it seems like Jesse L. Martin is in a good show while everyone else is in a bad show. He rises above the lackluster writing. The scenes with him and Ed were great.
 
Geoff Johns has said already that there is absolutely zero plans for Batman or Superman to be used in the TV Universe at all. I can't even recall if Bruce is ever mentioned by name, so much as Wayne Enterprises is mentioned.

So yeah.. don't expect either of the characters to show up. The most we'll get is some of their Rogues, if anything.
 
Jest Chillin said:
Geoff Johns has said already that there is absolutely zero plans for Batman or Superman to be used in the TV Universe at all. I can't even recall if Bruce is ever mentioned by name, so much as Wayne Enterprises is mentioned.

So yeah.. don't expect either of the characters to show up. The most we'll get is some of their Rogues, if anything.
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Batman lore will most probably go to Titans on TNT. It is rumored that Nightwing will be main character there.

Because of the corporate ties, there is a chance of Titans being connected to Arrowverse [and CBS's Supergirl show].
 
Jest Chillin said:
Geoff Johns has said already that there is absolutely zero plans for Batman or Superman to be used in the TV Universe at all. I can't even recall if Bruce is ever mentioned by name, so much as Wayne Enterprises is mentioned.

So yeah.. don't expect either of the characters to show up. The most we'll get is some of their Rogues, if anything.
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Yeah, we not even have Gotham mentioned. Blüdhaven is the next best thing.
 
Jest Chillin said:
Geoff Johns has said already that there is absolutely zero plans for Batman or Superman to be used in the TV Universe at all. I can't even recall if Bruce is ever mentioned by name, so much as Wayne Enterprises is mentioned.

So yeah.. don't expect either of the characters to show up. The most we'll get is some of their Rogues, if anything.
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Why would you even need Batman and Superman in the TV universe when TV Oliver is already pretty much Bruce Wayne and Flash is pretty clearly filling the boots of what superman is to the comic universes (an icon of meta-humanness who is a symbol of hope to the people.)

In fact, I'd go as far as to say I vastly prefer the relationship between Ollie and Barry in the TV universe over all the Batman VS Superman crap that's been so popular ever since Dark Knight Returns. That they can be so different, but still turn to each other for advice and appreciate how the other does things is awesome to me. Looking forward to inevitable team-up crossover finales.
 
Holy quote train Bat..err... Ollie!

DieH@rd said:
Batman lore will most probably go to Titans on TNT. It is rumored that Nightwing will be main character there.

Because of the corporate ties, there is a chance of Titans being connected to Arrowverse [and CBS's Supergirl show].
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I'm less inclined to believe that Teen Titans will be connected to the Arrow/Flash-verse. Corporate ties or not, if you look at previous tie-ins between tv shows there's usually a more direct connection at the creative level. Arrow and Flash are Berlanti projects. Buffy and Angel were Whedon projects. TVD and The Originals have Julie Plec in common and so on.

That's not to say it isn't possible but it does become a bit harder to be meaningfully connected if the people in charge of the day to day stuff don't already have a connection to the other stuff. That's why I think the Supergirl project is much more likely to tie into Arrow and Flash. It's also a Berlanti project and Supergirl herself isn't related to Superman in that concept, so they're still in the clear on that front.

Ophelion said:
Why would you even need Batman and Superman in the TV universe when TV Oliver is already pretty much Bruce Wayne and Flash is pretty clearly filling the boots of what superman is to the comic universes (an icon of meta-humanness who is a symbol of hope to the people.)

In fact, I'd go as far as to say I vastly prefer the relationship between Ollie and Barry in the TV universe over all the Batman VS Superman crap that's been so popular ever since Dark Knight Returns. That they can be so different, but still turn to each other for advice and appreciate how the other does things is awesome to me. Looking forward to inevitable team-up crossover finales.
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Oh you don't need them. But people will naturally wonder about them given GA and Flash's connections to them. It definitely does seem that they're using Arrow and Flash as this universes versions of them. And if what I theorized above comes to fruition and they DO connect Supergirl.. that results in a Arrow, Flash, and Supergirl trio to take the place of Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.
 
With the amount of forums reading the Arrow writers clearly do (everyone on salmon ladder, Roy flips) I fully expect Diggle to be Green Lantern by season 4.
 
-Cade said:
With the amount of forums reading the Arrow writers clearly do (everyone on salmon ladder, Roy flips) I fully expect Diggle to be Green Lantern by season 4.
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Diggle; Oliver, I have to tell you something. I haven't always been in Afghanistan...

Oliver: How can you keep a secret from me?

Diggle: ...
 
Fun episode again. Liked the reference to the Man of Steel, I practically went giddy when I heard that :lol

Iris is fine (and hot), her cheerfulness is a bit annoying but think about what you'd be like in her situation with the Flash. Wouldn't you be excited as her?

And YES they're calling Barry the Flash now! hnnng
 
I just hate being teased with references to certain characters when they're not going to be in the show. I actually prefer arrow and flash standing in for bats and supes.
Anyways what are the chances of a character like black lightning appearing on flash?
 
Emarv said:
So Iris is just Lois Lane now?
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Iris has always kinda been Lois Lane. At least until
- she marries Barry
- ends up being a refugee sent as a baby from the 30th century
- gets killed
- turns out to have been saved by her parents in the 30th century
- sires twin speedster offspring

But yeah, basically Lois at first.
 
The Cowboy said:
It only took 6 episodes for the correct comic book name to be used for the hero, 3 season into Arrow and we are still waiting - the makers of Arrow could learn a thing or 2 from the makers of The Flash - ohh wait :(
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Eh, not really comparable. Oliver Queen on Arrow isn't that much like the comic-book version yet. Not socially invested, not political etc. His end-game is becoming Green Arrow. Whereas Barry Allen is The Flash from the first episode onwards in every conceivable way.
 
-Cade said:
With the amount of forums reading the Arrow writers clearly do (everyone on salmon ladder, Roy flips) I fully expect Diggle to be Green Lantern by season 4.
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jon bones said:
arrow series finale NEEDS to include Diggle stumbling upon an alien ship glowing green
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Mandatory cross quote of Chariot from the Arrow thread.

Chariot said:
In brightest day, in blackest night,
No signals and signs shall escape my sight
Let those who worship traffic law scorn
Beware my power--Black Driver's horn!
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It would be nice if this is a universe where the Waynes aren't killed. Bruce Wayne exists, but he has no reason to become Batman. They could tease it even by introducing Thomas Wayne and letting him tell Oliver Ollie reminds him of his son. Dick Grayson never becomes Robin, but immediately becomes a more violent superhero styled after Arrow. Clark Kent doesn't exist either, but his role is taken over by Supergirl who needs to get up because meta-humans spilling over from Central.

And I really hope they connect both Supergirl and Titans to this universe. It needs to happen. It would be just plain stupid for them to be separate universes. They don't need to have continous cross-overs, just one big one to make the connection.
 
Jarrod38 said:
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Earlier in the show he breaks his hand trying to punch him but apparently traveling at mach 1 gives him adamantium bones? Would it have been so hard to have him use something like that flagpole instead of his hand, you know, since we've already established that Flash doesn't have super strength.

Other than that I thought the episode was great, but that one scene was just really annoying.
 
-Deimos said:
Earlier in the show he breaks his hand trying to punch him but apparently traveling at mach 1 gives him adamantium bones? Would it have been so hard to have him use something like that flagpole instead of his hand, you know, since we've already established that Flash doesn't have super strength.
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He still breaks quite a bit of bones looking at the conversations afterwards.
 
-Deimos said:
Earlier in the show he breaks his hand trying to punch him but apparently traveling at mach 1 gives him adamantium bones? Would it have been so hard to have him use something like that flagpole instead of his hand, you know, since we've already established that Flash doesn't have super strength.

Other than that I thought the episode was great, but that one scene was just really annoying.
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I wanted him to carry a bowling ball and lob it at him at mach 1. But if they did that, they'd be establishing that tactic for future use, and Cannon-Flash would be silly looking.
 
Yet another fantastic episode.

Special mention has to go the effects for the super sonic punch. Still blows me away how good they look at times, but I still can't shake the feeling that the rug will be pulled eventually and we'll end up some really weak looking special effects.

Too many years of Smallville have conditioned me to expect the worst...
 
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