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I wonder if we will see Barry break the speed of light this season? I'm not well versed enough in the Flash outside of the DCAU to know what part of the character is Barry and what is Wally, so with this show I can't always tell what they are drawing from.

I know that if he reaches a peak in speed, its likely a mental block like Wally had. I've never read Flash comics, so allI know is the amalgam Barry-Wally we see in the DCAU and its related properties/derivatives (Injustice, the animated films, etc).
 
They could have as many shows a they want in a shared universe without issue, so long as it isn't a crossover episode every other week. The shows only need the bare minimum interaction.

They why bother with the burden of a shared universe?

One of the features of classic DC comics was the fact the books were mostly self-contained, and they didn't worry about cross-title continuity. If they made all the shows in the same universe, internet nerds would be pointing out problems all the time.

Better to just keep them separate.
 
Amell's thoughts on WB announcing Flash Movie.
If the WB made any mistake at all, it was sending Johns to talk with Amell after the announcement instead of before. This came as a surprise to Amell but not Gustin. Amell's a team-player who will tow the company line as long as they give him a vision and keep him in the loop with fair warning.

I've seen DC's announcement compared to proposing on someone else's wedding day, but that doesn't take into account the relative scope of the announcements.

One is the sophomore episode numbers for a weekly TV show (where everyone already knew the approximate numbers prior to the official morning announcement), the other is a slate of films which investors had been clamoring for in which $2 billion a year, for a total of $12 billion, is going to be invested in marketing alone and a combined production budget of at least $2 billion in the largest single announcement of multiple films in cinematic history. One is routine weekly business, the other is literally history in the making during a pre-planned annual investors meeting. Moreover, this is a third party, complaining on behalf of someone who isn't even complaining.

So a more apt illustration (and appropriately absurd, for this non-issue)...

Grant's been showing we've all celebrated the announcement of the pregnancy. He's planning to find out the sex of the baby on Saturday and announce it on Sunday. Sunday is the same day Ken is marrying DeeCee after years of courting, the invitations went out months ago. Sometime prior to the wedding day, Ken reaches out to Grant and confirms some rumors that have been circulating (even gossip columnist Nikki Finke caught wind) that DeeCee has billions that's going to affect their whole family- including Grant- and they're planning to have a kid named after him.

Saturday comes, Grant finds out the sex of the baby and there's rejoicing even before the formal Sunday announcement. Sunday, Ken and DeeCee get married and there's much rejoicing, moreover, they reveal DeeCee's loaded and they're planning on kids.

Weeks later, Cousin Stephen- not Grant- grumbles that Ken should have moved his wedding day for Grant's Sunday announcement, or if they were going to say they were having ten kids, they shouldn't have said they were naming one after Grant since it takes away from Grant's baby. Nevermind the fact, this is all the same family, that it's in Grant's honor because the name is so good, and that Grant has no problem with it.

That's how ridiculous this is.

If we want to get even more granular, Johns already announced months in advance of The Flash's debut that the TV and Cinematic worlds were not merging and a Flash movie was all but inevitable... like if "Grant" was a traditional family name that someone was going to name their kid after eventually and everyone knows it.

Bottom line, Amell's probably speaking more out of his own hurt of being kept out of the loop than Gustin's... which tends to be the case when people take up offenses for others.
 
I wonder if we will see Barry break the speed of light this season?
Lightspeed is a useful benchmark just because everyone "knows" nothing is faster than light. However, for practical storytelling, there's galaxies of speed to explore before even coming to a tenth of lightspeed. The show has fluffy science, though, so they may eventually cross it, just because.

In the DCU, the time barrier comes after the lightspeed barrier if that's any kind of indication or benchmark that you'd want to use.

As far as psychic limiters, they've been using them all season so far, I see no reason they wouldn't continue to.
 
Grant has nothing to worry about, he's owning the role of Flash. It'll be Miller who has to win people over when the time comes, which is still years away and gives Grant a heck of a lot more time to further establish himself as the superior Flash.
 
It would be too obvious if Wells is Zoom now. Holding out for a two Wells running around theory, one villain and one flash fan. Also, what are the chances Wells uses the wheel chair because he can't walk without running at super speed after getting hit by the particle accelerator post-having super speed already?
 
It would be too obvious if Wells is Zoom now. Holding out for a two Wells running around theory, one villain and one flash fan. Also, what are the chances Wells uses the wheel chair because he can't walk without running at super speed after getting hit by the particle accelerator post-having super speed already?

Except haven't we seen him walk after getting out of the wheelchair during one of the scenes where he is in the room with the future stuff and when he killed that guy in episode 2?

Having two Wells could be interesting.
 
Grant Gustin was in Glee, & Jesse L. Martin was in Rent.

Am I the only one who wants the two to do a duet song from Rent? Bonus Content for the Season 1 Blu-Ray, perhaps?
 
Grant Gustin was in Glee, & Jesse L. Martin was in Rent.

Am I the only one who wants the two to do a duet song from Rent? Bonus Content for the Season 1 Blu-Ray, perhaps?

My friend pointed that out to me a few weeks ago... and suggested a musical episode.

I mean they do have the Music Meister in their wings...
 
We have 6 main supporting cast members.

Iris West
Caitlin Snow
Eddie Thawne
Cisco Ramon
Harrison Wells
Joe West

It's kind of crazy if you apply all the fan theories out there... Joe is going to die, Caitlin is going to turn into Killer Frost, Eddie and Harrison are villains, and Cisco spins off into Vibe. Obliterating your cast!

If only for the impact on cast chemistry, the only one on that list that seems remotely and permissibly "disposable" is Eddie. Sorry guy, you've shown no indication of being bad, too!
 
We have 6 main supporting cast members.

Iris West
Caitlin Snow
Eddie Thawne
Cisco Ramon
Harrison Wells
Joe West

It's kind of crazy if you apply all the fan theories out there... Joe is going to die, Caitlin is going to turn into Killer Frost, Eddie and Harrison are villains, and Cisco spins off into Vibe. Obliterating your cast!

If only for the impact on cast chemistry, the only one on that list that seems remotely and permissibly "disposable" is Eddie. Sorry guy, you've shown no indication of being bad, too!
That's the beauty of it.
 
We have 6 main supporting cast members.

Iris West
Caitlin Snow
Eddie Thawne
Cisco Ramon
Harrison Wells
Joe West

It's kind of crazy if you apply all the fan theories out there... Joe is going to die, Caitlin is going to turn into Killer Frost, Eddie and Harrison are villains, and Cisco spins off into Vibe. Obliterating your cast!

If only for the impact on cast chemistry, the only one on that list that seems remotely and permissibly "disposable" is Eddie. Sorry guy, you've shown no indication of being bad, too!

They have said that a character's fate in the comics won't necessarily be their fate in the show. Personally, I can see Cisco becoming Vibe but Caitlin either not becoming Killer Frost or getting her powers reversed after one episode, with Crystal Frost or Louise Linclon being the true Killer Frost. Or there being no Killer Frost, since that would steal Captain Cold's gimmick.
 
They have said that a character's fate in the comics won't necessarily be their fate in the show. Personally, I can see Cisco becoming Vibe but Caitlin either not becoming Killer Frost or getting her powers reversed after one episode, with Crystal Frost or Louise Linclon being the true Killer Frost. Or there being no Killer Frost, since that would steal Captain Cold's gimmick.
They could have made Captain Cold a metahuman like in the New 52, instead they gave him the Cold Gun (pre-New 52). My guess is that they gave him the Cold Gun so he wouldn't conflict with Killer Frost, a metahuman who has ice powers.
 
There would be no problem with Killerfrost and Captain Cold in one show. Killerfrost has this little problem of heat. She could hang with the rogues, just to be near heatwave until we get a Firestorm.
 
They could have made Captain Cold a metahuman like in the New 52, instead they gave him the Cold Gun (pre-New 52).
Just a New 52 FYI, I believe Johns had Deathstorm (Earth 3 Firestorm) decouple the Rogues from having their abilities intrinsically.

I don't know how I feel about that kind of overt flag planting but whatever....
 
Yeah, but why?

And I really hope they don't do time traveling bullshit with this one.
They kind of have too now. Flash and Yellow (ProfZoom/Zoom/Reverse Flash, whichever they use) already traveled in time from a future that Wells has a newspaper from. Something about a crisis, Flashpoint maybe. The time travel line has already been crossed.



Also, Wells is Thawne from the future or his descendent. Calling it now.
 
Yeah, but why?

And I really hope they don't do time traveling bullshit with this one.

They already started. There's the newspaper at the end of episode 1, Wells CONSTANTLY talking in secret about how he knows things that haven't happened yet, and
the tornado that killed Barry's mom was Flash and Zoom fighting. You can count on that.
 
Just a New 52 FYI, I believe Johns had Deathstorm (Earth 3 Firestorm) decouple the Rogues from having their abilities intrinsically.

I don't know how I feel about that kind of overt flag planting but whatever....
I like them more as normal dudes with technology than just meta humans. Like Dalek they became stronger through their enemy that is by far stronger than they are initially.
 
Obviously the whole point of the time travel thing is that Barry was supposed to die that night, but his mom did by accident (Flash saved himself) and now he has to live with the thought of causing his own mom's death.

I don't like to overthink about shows though cause I'm almost always wrong lol. Just like to enjoy the ride.
 
Obviously the whole point of the time travel thing is that Barry was supposed to die that night, but his mom did by accident (Flash saved himself) and now he has to live with the thought of causing his own mom's death.

I don't like to overthink about shows though cause I'm almost always wrong lol. Just like to enjoy the ride.

I can most assuredly tell you that your record of being wrong about TV shows continues untarnished.
 
Obviously the whole point of the time travel thing is that Barry was supposed to die that night, but his mom did by accident (Flash saved himself) and now he has to live with the thought of causing his own mom's death.

I don't like to overthink about shows though cause I'm almost always wrong lol. Just like to enjoy the ride.

I'm not sure about that. If you watch the pilot you can see a yellow blur take kid Barry outside of the house.
 
I'm not sure about that. If you watch the pilot you can see a yellow blur take kid Barry outside of the house.

The blurs are sometimes the accent colors. I lot of Flash shots are yellow blurs, and Reverse Flash/Zoom/Whomever seems to have a lot of red in his blur. Check that last scene where he intimidates Joe.
 
Theory- Wells and Thawne are working together but Thawne is actually the one in the Reverse Flash suit. Wells is the brains.

I had this crazy idea last night that Wells is Thawne is Zoom, and he's using his time-altering powers to change his appearance and spend more time guiding Barry & Iris.

Obviously whomever Zoom is has some kind of use for Barry in the future, otherwise he could have killed him when he killed his mother, killed Joe just this ep, or killed Barry/Iris whenever he pleased. Wells has been shown (with the newspaper clipping a few other scenes) to have a vested interested in Barry surviving well into the future. And didn't he murder that other scientist from the Multiplex episode with a knife? I think Eddie's obvious name drop is a red herring.
 
I had this crazy idea last night that Wells is Thawne is Zoom, and he's using his time-altering powers to change his appearance and spend more time guiding Barry & Iris.
In the comic "The Return of Barry Allen" (1993) ending spoilers
the Barry that returns is actually super-fan Thawne who used future cosmetic surgery to make himself look like Barry
it seems cosmetic surgery in the future is effective... no need for it to be a power-specific ability.
 
I don't think Wells is Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom

I think he is Hunter Zolomon aka Zoom. A different character from Reverse Flash.

In the comics Zoom travels through time to kill Linda Park to ensure that Wally West becomes a better hero, since he thinks that a personal tragedy will propel West to become the hero he should be.

Wells motives are kind of similar to Zoom in the comics.
 
There is still the possibility, however remote, that Wells is Flash from the future or potentially Impulse.

Though I'd expect them to use a more iconic villain like Zoom/Reverse Flash for the first season
 
I don't think Wells is Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom

I think he is Hunter Zolomon aka Zoom. A different character from Reverse Flash.

In the comics Zoom travels through time to kill Linda Park to ensure that Wally West becomes a better hero, since he thinks that a personal tragedy will propel West to become the hero he should be.

Wells motives are kind of similar to Zoom in the comics.
I like this, a lot.
 
If Yellow Suit time traveled to the present to confront Barry, he should be way the hell faster than Barry is. It would be cool if the fight starts off in sonic speeds, and then Yellow goes so fast that he appears like The Flash to The Flash.
 
is "colossus" also an actual DC villain? if so who?
 
So basically we are all in agreement that the reverse flash is the culprit and is either the professor or has some sort of connection with him. This is similar to the flash story of yester year and to a extent rebirth where Thawne was basically a huge time paradox within himself.

I also mentioned earlier

The possibility that the man in the Yellow suit is actually Barry. There was a time I think where Thawne took Barry's suit to ruin his name. So both of these scenarios are definitely plausible in my opinion.

What say you DC Gaf?
 
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