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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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S. L.

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speculation is RBR will be hurt the most, by how much and if it makes a difference in the overall picture nobody knows
 
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navanman

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anonnumber6 said:
Renault and Red Bull are the two most think will lose the most performance.
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Here is Peter Windsor & Craig Scarborough discussing the upcoming.
http://smibs.tv/the-flying-lap/canadian-grand-prix-2011
He speculates that it will not directly effect Red Bull as much as some teams but will have a secondary effect on the amount of rake Red Bull can run which gives them better downforce from front wing.
 
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ANDY_098

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Is the blown diffuser ban going to provide a noticeable difference?
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In a word: yes.

Currently a lot of teams use an extreme engine map which keep the throttle wide open and so produce exhaust gasses when the driver is off throttle. This gives a lot more downforce at a penalty of much higher fuel consumption. For this reason, they do not use these engine maps in the race, where less extreme modes are used giving less downforce but also (more importantly) lower fuel consumption so they can reach the end of the race.

This ban doesn't physically outlaw blown diffusers, but it does ban the use of engine modes which keep the throttle more than 10% open when the driver is off throttle. So it will greatly reduce the amount of downforce gained from the effect.

The cars which use these modes now will be be slowed considerably. A cars maximum downforce in qualifying will be reduced to a little less than it currently is in the race. The cars will also have very similar qualifying and race performance, where currently they are much faster in qualifying.

This should give McLaren a boost; on current race pace they are much closer to (if not ahead of) Red Bull than they are in qualifying. Some teams also use more advanced modes than others, such as Red Bull who started using them last season, who are likely to lose more performance compared to other teams. The ban will also close the gap between the cars who do and don't currently use these modes, tightening the midfield pack.
 
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DrM

Redmond's Baby
Canadian adventures of De La Rosa (translated by Frozen from Autosport forum)
Friday, Montreal Circuit. At 10 minutes from the start of the second free practice of the Canadian GP I'm calmy seated in McLaren's motorhome finishing my lunch with Martin Whitmarsh, McLaren's Team Principal. Suddenly someone touches my shoulder, I turn my head and with great surprise I see they are Monisha Kaltenborn, Sauber CEO, and Joseph Leberer, the physiotherapist. They look startled and they ask me right away if I can replace their driver Sergio Perez. "What? Sergio? Sure, sure..." I reply without hesitating and surprised "But when?" "Right now Pedro, Sergio is not feeling okay!!" I look to Martin Whitmarsh who was seated with me and I ask him: "Martin, would you let me do it?" Martin takes a look to his watch and tells me, "Pedro, if I were you I would rush to the Sauber box right now!"

And there I go, but first I take my utensils from McLaren (helmet, overalls, boots, Hans...) which we got packed in a suitcase for this kind of emergency situations (emergency situations within McLaren of course) and I ran to the Sauber box. Known faces, mechanics that are trying to salute me and I exchange my first words as there are people which don't know exactly what I'm doing there. Some of them look at me with a scared face, of course, they don't know yet I'm going to replace Sergio, they don't even know that he's not feeling well, but they focus on his work when they see their Team Manager with me and this is getting serious. We want to salute, it has been a year without contact, without working together. With some of them we did not even had the chance to say goodbye at the end of last season. I have to admit that the situation is a bit comic, because if we had not the chance to say goodbye before, now we don't have the time to say hello, there's no time for that. "We will hug later, we need to be able to go out at the end of the session. Let's try it out, even 1 lap at the end is going to be a lot." That's all I said to them.

The truth is that there was no time for much, just for trying to go out. So, after trying to fit into Sergio's overalls without being able to put my legs inside, we decided to go out in the second free practice with my McLaren overalls along with my boots and helmet. The important thing was to do few laps to start familiarize with everything to prepare for Saturday and Sunday. What normally is a process we take in pre-season, during one full month at minimum, now we had to do it in 1 hour in the middle of a Grand Prix. Jeezzzzz, I think the level of stress I had to cope in the following 24 hours were the highest I had to endure ever. There's nothing worse, (nor better!) than jumping in a F1 car in the middle of a World Championship to fight against the best drivers in the world with empty pockets...But with everyone's efforts, we made it. On Friday I was able to do 8 laps, and then on Saturday I could do the full practice session before qualyfing. Well, not the full session, because I hit the wall in the last lap in the second chicane. That's what you take when you can't look for the limits with plenty of time available, there was no time and I had to see how hard I could take those kerbs in that chicane so I could go to qualyfing with a clearer picture. From then on a new race started, one more, for all the mechanics crew because the car was quite damaged, broken rear suspension and gearbox... But at this stage everything looked even easy, nothing was impossible and the mechanics replaced the rear end (suspensions and gearbox) in just 1 hour.

Meanwhile, I was already full dressed up ready to go to the stage with, at last, the team's overall, this team of course. It was from a mechanic, the only one we found with my size. They were homologated and weighted 1 kilo more than a driver's overall, but it was perfect. There was only one additional problem, I needed fireproof and clean underwear. I called to McLaren and they told me that Button had a spare set of long underpants and socks, the upper part was the one wich was dirty, but there was no time for stupid things. From now on I have to admit that the fun started and I was able to really enjoy it.

The best moment of the weekend and one I'll never forget was when I was leaving the garage in the pitlane, alone and relaxed in the cockpit I put my visor down, it clicks when I close it, I feel deeply happy, relieved, at ease. I can't avoid a smile under my helmet, I even start to laugh my ass off. I floor on the throttle and I tell to the car, "alone at last, you and me. Let's see what we are able of. He does not reply but his engine screams while we are reaching turn-2."

Yes, probably one of my best and craziest moments of all my sporting career.
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Jinjo

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Scarbs has an excellent explanation of the off-throttle exhaust diffusion here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq5LrHiaKBQ&feature=player_embedded#at=16

He explains how Red Bull uses it gain such a significant advantage in qualifying and why they lose a lot of that during the race. The basic jist of it is: exhaust blowing costs 10% more fuel. So it's only of significant advantage during qualifying. In a race distance the amount of extra fuel needed negates its advantage.

De La Rosa's story made me smile.
 
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Wes

venison crêpe
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Shaneus

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Yeah, that was awesome. Holy shit you needed some massive balls back then.

Also weird that at the end of the video, Stewart in his cap somewhat resembles Nando.
 
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ANDY_098

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I remember reading this a while ago, but found it again just now.

The Renault engine uses an off throttle engine mode (though not injecting fuel i.e. "cold blowing") to cool the valves. No idea how much they keep the throttle open to do this, but limiting the throttle opening to 10% when the driver is off the accelerator could cause the valves to overheat and potentially fail. A few Vettel DNFs would tighten the championship up nicely!

Also, heard yesterday that there will be some restriction to engine mode usage in Valencia. The teams must use the same off throttle mode in qualifying and the race. McLaren on pole in Valencia?
 
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TylerD

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Ark said:
Not sure if this has been linked before, but I thought this was pretty awesome.
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That is pure madness.

I just finished watching Senna. It was so good, I am pretty much speechless at this point. It is definitely a must see. His competitive fire, passion, and immense skill with a Formula 1 car was so strong that it is no wonder that he was so loved.

Not going to lie, there were some tears of sadness and joy shed. The accidents were very hard to watch. The
description of and then video of the coffin on the back of the fire truck driving through the city streets with all the people along the route
was incredibly moving.
 
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Deadman

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It also says f1 only gets 2-4mil viewers, which is wrong. This year has seen some of the highest viewing numbers in recent times for f1, with spain and monaco and canada all being over 6million, with canada still being over 5 million even after the delay.
 
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Ark

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Copied and pasted from Digital Spy.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1465431&page=110
“In short: The newspaper is pro-Tory. It’s F1 editor is openly wanting F1 to go to Sky. Hence, the article is best ignored as it is inaccurate throughout.”
1) “Its contract to screen F1 for five seasons until 2013 will cost £300m.
- incorrect. It is well known that the contract costs BBC about £200m over 5 years, with the next contract increased to £235m. I guess that may factor in production costs, but as far as I know they are minimal and definitely would not amount to an extra £20m per year.
2) “At about £3m per race, it is the most expensive BBC programme being broadcast.”
- incorrect. As the first point of £300m is wrong, the second point is also wrong. At 19 races, each race costs BBC about £2.1m. In my book, that is not £3m. The point “it is the most expensive BBC programme being broadcast” is factually incorrect. You cannot compare 5 hours of programming on BBC1 at £3m with a drama at 9pm on BBC1 which typically costs about £600,000. In fact, going on the £2.1m figure, F1 costs BBC about £420,000 per hour. I’ve even excluded things like the F1 Forum and Practice with that figure and all the other stuff they do, in reality the figure will be lower than that. Some dramas on BBC1 only get 4.5m viewers and cost £600,000, whereas with F1 you get you’re hard to reach 16 to 34 audience, it doesn’t cost much and you get at least 4.5m viewers on average per race. Everyone wins.
3) “An insider said the cost of covering 19 F1 races was more than the entire budget of BBC4.”
- again depends on whether the £60m per year figure is correct, because its the first time I’ve seen it. BBC4 costs £55m per year, so if the £60m per year figure for F1 is wrong, then the entire article is spouted with inaccuracy and riddles.
4) “The source said the BBC did not intend to rebid for the F1 contract when it expired in November 2013.”
- in which case, why did you have a scaremongering title saying ‘BBC AXES FORMULA ONE’. Axes suggests you’re terminating the contract early. No early termination is being seeked hear if you are to believe the article. Besides, they would not rebid for a contract an entire one and a half years before you would even begin discussing it.
5) “It has emerged that F1 costs £1 a head for every viewer, compared with the average 7p an hour broadcast cost for BBC1 and BBC2.”
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets…rts_rights.pdf ; page 35
- Formula 1 2009 – hit in every category, only one of two events to do this.
- as a said at the time (page 36) : “[✂ Redacted] is the outstanding success, significantly exceeding all of its reach, average audience and cost per viewer hour targets” – is almost certainly referring to F1
- hence this on Page 4: “Formula 1 has been a significant success in 2009/10, exceeding all of its reach, average audience and cost per viewer hour target”
- report was done earlier this year into the process of acquiring sports rights
- see page 33: “Formula 1 and Premier League highlights attract a younger (16-34) male audience that is otherwise hard to reach….”
6) “Apart from the British Grand Prix, most races attract between 2m and 4m viewers.”
- http://forums.autosport.com/index.php?showtopic=112436 – enough said at this point
- only one race has dipped under 4m, and that was because it was against a Ford Super Sunday triple header on Sky Sports
7) “It costs more for each hour than even the most expensive dramas such as South Riding, Cranford and Doctor Who.”
- again, this depends on whether the £60m figure is actually true. I mean, why have we only just heard about this now? They’ve had the rights for 2 and a half years, yet we’ve only just heard about the £60m figure despite numerous source saying £40m.
“The proposal to dump F1 will be among a package of measures to be put to the BBC Trust in the Autumn.”
- so only towards the end of the article do you actually tell us that they haven’t axed it, despite the headline saying to the contrary?
In short: The newspaper is pro-Tory. It’s F1 editor is openly wanting F1 to go to Sky. Hence, the article is best ignored as it is inaccurate throughout.
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Stolen from the comments section of the F1Fanatic article.

I would honestly be surprised if the BBC dropped F1, I don't think I could stand it going back to ITV, and if it went to Sky I'd end up shooting someone.
 
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navanman

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Psychotext said:
Might be worth considering that the Sunday Times is a Murdoch paper (i.e. Owner of Sky).
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True, probably looking to see if its worth it for Sky to get F1 TV rights for UK in 2013 and also its parent company News Corp to have its joint bid with Ferrari go through for control of the sport from CVC.

Like Ark said Sky coverage would be horrid, ads everywhere again.
 
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Edmond Dantès

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Ark said:
Stolen from the comments section of the F1Fanatic article.

I would honestly be surprised if the BBC dropped F1, I don't think I could stand it going back to ITV, and if it went to Sky I'd end up shooting someone.
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That certainly explains a lot.
 
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navanman

Crown Prince of Custom Firmware
Its unlikely but unless News Corp get control of F1 rights it won't happen.

If you look at the TV viewership figures in the UK for the last 2 years (1999-2009, the BBC has around 30% of the market share, ITV with 15% and Sky Sports with 2-3% for all its channels.
http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weeklyViewingSummary

Viewing figures would plummet & its reach and rising popularity would fall back again to a niche sport.
 
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Mecha_Infantry

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Depending on what channel Sky put it on, the viewing figures will remain strong. If it's on on of the freeview/digital channels Sky allow people to have then within the next 3 years it'll still be widely watched

But then again the production values would drop, nothing more than the program will be shown (outside of interviews) and of course you can't watch on iPlayer!

Fuck Sky
 
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Dead Man

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Ark said:
Stolen from the comments section of the F1Fanatic article.

I would honestly be surprised if the BBC dropped F1, I don't think I could stand it going back to ITV, and if it went to Sky I'd end up shooting someone.
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That puts my mind at ease a bit. Thanks fir sharing that.
 
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Sage00

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Mecha_Infantry said:
Depending on what channel Sky put it on, the viewing figures will remain strong. If it's on on of the freeview/digital channels Sky allow people to have then within the next 3 years it'll still be widely watched

But then again the production values would drop, nothing more than the program will be shown (outside of interviews) and of course you can't watch on iPlayer!

Fuck Sky
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If Sky buy it it's going straight to Sky Sports and they won't give a shit how much it drops as long as their subscriptions increase by a decent amount.
 
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anonnumber6

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It always seemed to me that Bernie likes to sell to terrestrial TV channels to get greater exposure for the sponsors, unless ITV pick it up I can only imagine Sky buying the rights especially if CVC sell to News Corp. Production team that was once ITV then BBC will probably be doing the Sky broadcast as well.
 
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zomgbbqftw

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Edmond Dantès said:
BBC to drop F1 coverage

From the Sunday Times.

http://twitpic.com/5ditbp
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Until we hear it from the BBC, I don't believe it. BBC Formula 1 has won countless broadcasting awards and the coverage has improved the standing of the sport in the UK. Going back to ITV would be terrible for the sport unless ITV could guarantee advert free coverage.

Also, the newspaper could just be pushing the Sky agenda and creating an environment of FUD around the BBC's coverage so Sky can swoop in with a £500m deal.

The problem for Formula 1 is that it is not on the government's so called 'A-List' of sports that requires it to be on free to air TV. So far, FOTA and Bernie have kept it on free to air because they know if Sky got the rights Formula 1 would fall way, way down the agenda to just a few hundred thousand motor racing enthusiasts watching regularly. I haven't seen a change in this policy from Bernie or FOTA, free to air is the only way the UK will remain interested in Formula 1. Cricket has suffered massively when it moved from C4 to Sky, and I think that has scared off a lot of support for the Formula 1 to Sky bandwagon, and honestly, Forumula 1 is a much smaller sport than Cricket, it would suffer even more than Cricket did.
 
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CrunchinJelly

formerly cjelly
Mr. Sam said:
ITV always cutting to adverts nearly killed me. I can't go back. I won't go back.
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They could do it ad-free if they really wanted.

They could even do pop-up ads like some US channels do, but the problem is getting something like that past Ofcom who are still living in the stone age.
 
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CrunchinJelly

formerly cjelly
zomgbbqftw said:
Cricket has suffered massively when it moved from C4 to Sky, and I think that has scared off a lot of support for the Formula 1 to Sky bandwagon, and honestly, Forumula 1 is a much smaller sport than Cricket, it would suffer even more than Cricket did.
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'suffered massively'? How exactly?

Were it not for Sky the ECB would likely be up shit creek without a paddle.
 
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Ark

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cjelly said:
They could even do pop-up ads like some US channels do, but the problem is getting something like that past Ofcom who are still living in the stone age.
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I actually wouldn't mind pop-up ads, I could live with those.
 
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zomgbbqftw

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cjelly said:
'suffered massively'? How exactly?

Were it not for Sky the ECB would likely be up shit creek without a paddle.
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Massively in terms of exposure. It was a quick fix to the problem. You will see new problems arise in 10-15 years when England has a dearth of young cricketers. The move to Sky killed all of the enthusiasm for cricket in England, so sure the short term funding issues were fixed, but it is going to bring long term problems (incidentally, just like the ones England football has now).

You seem very pro-Sky by your last two posts, I don't get it, but would mid explaining your position? I want to understand the defence...
 
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Edmond Dantès

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Bernie wants F1 to stay on the BBC.
"We want Formula One to stay free to viewers," Ecclestone said. "That is 100%. The BBC have done a great job for us and we like their shows and the people obviously like it because so many are watching.

"They did warn me that they were facing problems but, so far, nothing more has been said. I hope they want to keep us because it is such a success and I will do my best to keep Formula One on the BBC."
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http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/52012.html
 
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