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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|
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P Driver Team Time Laps Note
1 S. Vettel Red Bull 1:19.815 15 Season Best¹
2 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:19.978 16 Season Best¹
3 J. Button McLaren 1:20.024 12 11th q3
4 F. Massa Ferrari 1:20.350 15 11th q3
5 F. Alonso Ferrari 1:20.365 14 Season Worst¹
6 M. Webber Red Bull 1:20.474 15 10th q3
7 N. Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:21.098 12 11th q3
8 A. Sutil Force India 1:21.445 17 Season Best¹
9 M. Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:21.907 19 7th q3
10 S. Perez Sauber no time 16 2nd q3
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11 P. Resta Force India 1:22.256 13 9th no q3
12 V. Petrov Renault 1:22.284 14 4th no q3
13 K. Kobayashi Sauber 1:22.435 16 8th no q3
14 N. Heidfeld Renault 1:22.470 14 7th no q3
15 R. Barrichello Williams 1:22.684 16 10th q2
16 J. Alguersuari STR 1:22.979 10 6th q2
17 P. Maldonado Williams no time 9 8th no q3
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18 S. Buemi STR 1:24.070 9 2nd no q2
19 H. Kovalainen Lotus 1:24.362 8 9th no q2
20 J. Trulli Lotus 1:24.534 7 10th no q2
21 V. Liuzzi HRT 1:26.232 11 Season Best¹
22 T. Glock Virgin 1:26.294 10 Season Worst¹
23 D. Ricciardo HRT 1:26.479 11 Season Best¹
24 J. d'Ambrosio Virgin 1:26.510 8 Season Worst¹
107% time is 1:27.288, ¹ matches previously best/worst result
http://formula1news.com/article/851/Results-Qualifying-Vettel-back-on-pole
1 S. Vettel Red Bull 1:19.815 15 Season Best¹
2 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:19.978 16 Season Best¹
3 J. Button McLaren 1:20.024 12 11th q3
4 F. Massa Ferrari 1:20.350 15 11th q3
5 F. Alonso Ferrari 1:20.365 14 Season Worst¹
6 M. Webber Red Bull 1:20.474 15 10th q3
7 N. Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:21.098 12 11th q3
8 A. Sutil Force India 1:21.445 17 Season Best¹
9 M. Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:21.907 19 7th q3
10 S. Perez Sauber no time 16 2nd q3
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11 P. Resta Force India 1:22.256 13 9th no q3
12 V. Petrov Renault 1:22.284 14 4th no q3
13 K. Kobayashi Sauber 1:22.435 16 8th no q3
14 N. Heidfeld Renault 1:22.470 14 7th no q3
15 R. Barrichello Williams 1:22.684 16 10th q2
16 J. Alguersuari STR 1:22.979 10 6th q2
17 P. Maldonado Williams no time 9 8th no q3
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18 S. Buemi STR 1:24.070 9 2nd no q2
19 H. Kovalainen Lotus 1:24.362 8 9th no q2
20 J. Trulli Lotus 1:24.534 7 10th no q2
21 V. Liuzzi HRT 1:26.232 11 Season Best¹
22 T. Glock Virgin 1:26.294 10 Season Worst¹
23 D. Ricciardo HRT 1:26.479 11 Season Best¹
24 J. d'Ambrosio Virgin 1:26.510 8 Season Worst¹
107% time is 1:27.288, ¹ matches previously best/worst result
http://formula1news.com/article/851/Results-Qualifying-Vettel-back-on-pole
SunhiLegend
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I think Hamilton has to be aggressive at the start, Button is in a better position in third and unless Button has a poor start he would have the advantage into turn one.
PdotMichael
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brotkasten said:
Vettel is world champion and last year he was 2th, he knows his business thoroughly.
PdotMichael
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Ark said:
you are happy, if Vettel win tomorrow you can still say "buuhhh... he can only win if he has pole"
Psychotext
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Watching that pole lap I'd say the Red Bull has a bit more to give. That wasn't clean, at all.
PdotMichael said:
What is your problem? Just because not everyone is a massive Vettel fan doesn't mean you have to take stabs at everyone. I haven't said anything regarding Vettel today, his lap today was a great lap and a deserved pole.
Stop poking around at other people and just enjoy the sport.
brotkasten
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He needs to defend his crushArk said:
slothmeister
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so, was it just me or did they not mention the sky deal at all?
Psychotext
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Not directly, but did you hear Brundle's comment about being in the dole queue next year?slothmeister said:
SunhiLegend
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I thought they would have done a piece on that but they didn't say anything about it. Which is a good thing IMO, they should just forget about that for now and just go through the rest of the season without mentioning it.slothmeister said:
SunhiLegend
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Oh No, not the Webber vs Vettel debate again please.
PdotMichael
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Ark said:That's why I said most of 2010
we know it, Vettel is the world champion in history
vettel is only successful because of luck and team orders
brotkasten
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You finally got it. Took you long enough, but at least we can move on now.PdotMichael said:
Psychotext
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I shall not.Leonsito said:
Leonsito said:
Not going to happen. Sorry! Massa is more likely to get on the podium.
Omiee said:
STOP WITH BAITING PEOPLE WITH THE VETTEL ARGUMENTS.
Seriously, it made this thread shit. Enough!
Anyway, the result today will hopefully make, at the very least, an exciting start with Hammy desperate to get past Vettel. I honestly can see Button heading into T1 in the lead however - then we will have a race on our hands.
Risk Breaker
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SunhiLegend said:
I hope so, man, I hope so. That factor alone can make the race either a shitty snoozefest or an epic megaton-filled heart-attack-inducing GP.
zomgbbqftw
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http://en.mclarenf-1.com/index.php?page=results&gp=859&s=6883&p=3
The sector times are incredibly competitive between Hamilton and Vettel! Only 0.019s between them!
The sector times are incredibly competitive between Hamilton and Vettel! Only 0.019s between them!
Psychotext
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Without wanting to bring it back to 2010, the argument caught my interest so I went through the season results to see exactly what had happened. I came out with the following:
Vettel places higher: 9 (BAR, MAL, CHN, CAN, ITA, SIN, JPN, BRA, ABU)
Webber places higher: 5 (ESP, MON, CAN, HUN, BEL)
(Not including races where one / both cars retired or had mechanical issues)
Vettel mechanical issue: 3 (AUS, BRI, KOR)
Webber mechanical issue: 1 (GER)
Vettel's fault crash: 2 (TUR, BEL)
Webber's fault crash: 3 (AUS, EUR, KOR)
Not seeing where Webber's dominance is in those figures.
Vettel places higher: 9 (BAR, MAL, CHN, CAN, ITA, SIN, JPN, BRA, ABU)
Webber places higher: 5 (ESP, MON, CAN, HUN, BEL)
(Not including races where one / both cars retired or had mechanical issues)
Vettel mechanical issue: 3 (AUS, BRI, KOR)
Webber mechanical issue: 1 (GER)
Vettel's fault crash: 2 (TUR, BEL)
Webber's fault crash: 3 (AUS, EUR, KOR)
Not seeing where Webber's dominance is in those figures.
zomgbbqftw
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Noooooooooooo, don't do it! No more 2010 arguments!
Psychotext
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Arghh, don't quote it, I'm still putting in info.
Edit - Thanks.
Edit - Thanks.
Psychotext
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Ok, finished editing now. Had to change a couple of the figures (the ones quoted above aren't right).
SunhiLegend
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Omiee said:
2011 doesn't even come close to 2010. Last year we had everyone of the top 5 fighting it out for the lead in the championship every race. As a fan of the sport and looking at it unbiasedly it will be very hard to top 2010 even in the future, it will go down as one of the greatest seasons in the history of F1
PdotMichael
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Psychotext said:
you forgot one thing:
Vettel 256 Points
Alonso 252 Points
Weber 242 Points
that is what is important.
zomgbbqftw
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SunhiLegend said:
Yes, but the races were very, very boring. This time around the racing has been fantastic. That's what makes the BBC decision such a kick in the balls, next season could have seen a continuation of a great racing and a super competitive WDC.
zomgbbqftw
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Lewis down 0.15s in the middle sector.
SunhiLegend
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Thats true some of the races were boring last year, but this season is already over in terms of the WDC. Plus if your a huge fan following a particular driver or team in the top 3 every race is intense until the checkered flag.Omiee said:
Psychotext
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Are they the best sector times for each, or taken from their best lap?zomgbbqftw said:
zomgbbqftw
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Psychotext said:
Best sector times overall, not just the best laps.
So the current pace of the McLaren can't just be down to low temperatures or the characteristics of the tracks. McLaren put some gizmo on the car and it seems to work. Cute how they played all confused in Silverstone.
Red Bull lacking their edge probably means Vettel will be pressured right from the start. Should be a great fight.
Red Bull lacking their edge probably means Vettel will be pressured right from the start. Should be a great fight.
I love Vettel vs Hamilton starts.John_B said:
Just coming in to say WTF Webber. Though a half a second off the pace isn't terribly tragic, just so happens that it's an incredibly tight top order. He's done better from worse before, so hopefully he can still podium the fucker.
zomgbbqftw
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John_B said:
Yes, I think McLaren will be faster in the race which will give Vettel a lot of trouble. The only problem I see is if Button gets ahead at T1 in which case Hamilton will lose time and Vettel will storm ahead while they fight each other.
zomgbbqftw
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On the qualifying itself. I was really, really impressed with Vettel today. He got on pole probably with the second fastest car on the day, the lap was excellent. The rest of the season will be interesting now, I think McLaren still have some more development to come and Lewis could start catching Vettel in the WDC tomorrow by undercutting on his set new option tyres.
His performance with the primes is also way faster than everybody else so he could make quite a few opportunities vs Vettel at the end of the race if the RB struggles to get heat into the primes.
The race is going to be awesome tomorrow!
His performance with the primes is also way faster than everybody else so he could make quite a few opportunities vs Vettel at the end of the race if the RB struggles to get heat into the primes.
The race is going to be awesome tomorrow!
zomgbbqftw
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93523
Article implies that Webber feels like he is being treated second best at RBR. The gap implies that the curfew break was for Vettel's car and not for Webber's. Webber has the same pace in his car as FP1/2 while Vettel is miles ahead.
Article implies that Webber feels like he is being treated second best at RBR. The gap implies that the curfew break was for Vettel's car and not for Webber's. Webber has the same pace in his car as FP1/2 while Vettel is miles ahead.
zomgbbqftw
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Shaneus said:
He doesn't come outright and say it, but it's clear he's not impressed that he is so far behind.
"but in the end the 1m19s is a different zone to me so... It's strange, really bizarre"
With that and I saw him in the pits before Q1 looking very, very unimpressed it is now looking like Vettel is being treated as No.1 at RBR. Somehow both drivers are off the pace at FP1 and 2, RB break the curfew and Vettel's car is now on the pace but Webber's isn't.
PdotMichael
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zomgbbqftw said:
although Webber used newer diffuser parts compared to Vettel
RomanticHeroX
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At this point it'd be insane not to favor Vettel in these matters. With McLaren and Ferrari threatening Red Bull has to back the driver most likely to secure the championship, and right now it's not even close in the team. I can understand Webber feeling bitter if he's not treated equally, but more than halfway through a season isn't the time to be complaining about it.
Before Formula 1 takes a three week break for the summer, the cars will battle it out at the Hungaroring. Perhaps not the most exciting track for a race, DRS and KERS systems have helped stem some of the boredom from previous tracks known for procession like racing, so we hope to see the same effect here. With Red Bull losing the last two races, this may be the turning point of the season, where the other top teams will begin to claw their way back from a 77-point deficit and fight for the championship.
2010 Race Summary
Several drivers predicted that "up to seventy percent" of the final race result would be settled in the first corner, owning to the tight and twisty nature of the Hungaroring circuit. Despite the pace of the Red Bulls in qualifying, the third-placed Fernando Alonso was able to muscle his way into second position ahead of Mark Webber by the first turn. The other big movers were Vitaly Petrov, who passed Lewis Hamilton for fifth at the first corner - though he conceded the place to the 2008 World Champion the next lap when he found he could not get heat into his tyres - and Kamui Kobayashi, who surged from 23rd on the grid to 16th. Jaime Alguersuari's race was over after just one lap, with the Ferrari engine in his Toro Rosso spewing coolant fluid across the first sector of the circuit without warning.
Sebastian Vettel streaked away from Alonso and Webber at a rate of almost a second a lap, at least partially confirming suspicions that the team would have an incredibly easy race. But anarchy struck on lap fifteen when Vitantonio Liuzzi made contact with an unidentified driver and lost his front wing at turn eleven. This prompted the deployment of the safety car and a string of pit stops. Vettel very nearly missed the pit entry alogether, but managed to duck in at the last moment, but problems began further down the order when Nico Rosberg left his garage with a loose right-rear tyre. The tyre came free almost straight away and bounced down the pit lane through the Williams pit box, and striking a mechanic, who was unhurt save for a few bruises. Renault were able to pit Vitaly Petrov and release him to the circuit in sequence, but the Renault lollipop man released Robert Kubica too early and into the path of Adrian Sutil, who at the time was attempting to enter his own pit box directly in front of Renault. The collision was enough to end Sutil's race. Renault themselves were fined US$50,000 for an unsafe pit release, and Kubica was served with a ten second stop-go penalty for causing an avoidable accident in pit lane.
While most of the leaders pitted in the three laps the safety car was on the circuit, Webber remained a notable exception. Having passed Vettel when the German was in the pits, Webber was now the first on the road. Red Bull began formulating a strategy so that the Australian could pit and rejoin the circuit ahead of Alonso. Vettel was later issued a drive-through penalty after violating Article 40.9 of the Sporting Regulations. Vettel fell more than ten car lengths behind the safety car, and he was penalised. Like the controversial penalty given to Lewis Hamilton in Valencia, the rule - designed to stop teams from manipulating the field for strategy purposes under safety car conditions - has rarely been broken in the modern era of the sport, and Vettel was visibly angry about being penalised for it, feeling that it had cost him certain victory. He rejoined the circuit behind Alonso in third, and would spend the rest of the race trying to find his way around the Ferrari.
At the front of the field, Webber introduced a very simple strategy of driving as fast as he could for as long as he could, intending to dial out enough of a lead over Alonso so that he could pit without risking his position. His strategy, originally designed to secure second place for him was now offering him the very real chance of victory. Elsewhere, Renault elected to retire Kubica's car with suspected damage from the collision with Sutil so as to preserve its physical condition, whilst Lewis Hamilton retired from fourth place with a gearbox problem on the same lap. As the final retirement of the race, Hamilton's exit meant that for the first time in 2010, all three new teams would see both their cars finish the race. Lotus would once again take line honours, with Kovalainen and Trulli finishing ahead of Timo Glock, and the second Virgin of Lucas di Grassi finished between the Hispanias of Senna and Yamamoto.
Vettel caught Alonso and the pair battled over second while Webber continued to extend his lead. The Australian's task was made much more difficult by the presence of backmarkers on the short, tight circuit, but when he pitted on lap 42, he emerged five seconds ahead of Alonso. The only other major position change came when Rubens Barrichello - the second front-running driver who did not pit as a response to Liuzzi's safety car - made his compulsory stop from fifth position. Williams had been attempting a similar strategy to BMW Sauber with Kamui Kobayashi in Valencia by having Barrichello pit late and charge back up through the field on super-soft tyres. Unlike Webber, Barrichello was unable to preserve his position and slipped down the order to eleventh behind Schumacher. He then attempted to glide through the field with ease, but quickly became trapped behind his former team-mate. Things came to a head late in the race when Barrichello was able to get close enough to pass Schumacher on the main straight, but Schumacher attempted to pin Barrichello to the wall and force him to back off. However, Schumacher's move came too late, and Barrichello was already alongside him when the Mercedes driver moved over. Barrichello very nearly made contact with the concrete pit wall and was forced across the pit exit, but took the place from Schumacher, who was placed under investigation by the stewards for dangerous driving. He was later issued a ten-place grid penalty for his actions, to be taken at the next race in Belgium.
With Webber so far in front, he was able to coast to victory by nearly twenty seconds. Vettel could not find a way past Fernando Alonso and had to settle for third, whilst Felipe Massa was fourth for Ferrari. Petrov and Nico Hülkenberg took their career-best finishes to date with fifth and sixth places respectively, whilst Pedro de la Rosa and Kobayashi in the BMW Saubers were split by a recovering Jenson Button, all a lap down. Barrichello's late move on Schumacher netted tenth and the final points-scoring place for the Brazilian, whilst Schumacher's eleventh meant that Mercedes GP failed to score for the first time in 2010.
Circuit Info
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Laps
70
Circuit length4.381 km (2.722 mi)
Race length306.663 km (190.560 mi)
Lap RecordMichael Schumacher - Ferrari - 2004 - 1:19.071
Most Wins (Drivers)Michael Shumacher (4)
Most Wins (Constructors)McLaren (9)
Changes from 2010
-At Turns 3, 8 and 9, gravel run-offs have been replaced by asphalt with new kerbing, for a significant improvement in safety.
GP Facts
-The Hungaroring is one of the lowest-grip circuits on the Formula One calendar, resulting in lower-than-average tyre wear. Its tight and twisting layout requires a high-downforce chassis set up combined with soft rear suspension settings, to help maximise traction from its numerous low-speed corners.
-At the 1995 Hungarian GP, Japanese Footwork driver Taki Inoue had the unfortunate distinction of being run over by a marshals car. Inoues Footwork-Hart FA16 had retired on lap 14 with engine failure and it began smoking after Inoue exited his car. He ran to fetch a fire extinguisher from a marshals post and was hit by the errant rescue vehicle as he returned to his own car. He suffered a minor leg fracture.
-Jenson Button, who this weekend celebrates his 200th Formula One start, took his first F1 victory at the 2006 Hungarian GP his 113th grand prix. The win was also Hondas first since returning to the sport as a full works team earlier that season. Hondas only previous F1 works wins were at the 1965 Mexican Grand Prix and the 1967 Italian Grand Prix.
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