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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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Psychotext

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mclaren777 said:
A great look at radio stats...

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/08/17/radio-broadcasts/

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Poor lonely Perez.
 
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S. L.

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It should be mentioned that those stats are based on radio messages that were played on the TV feed!
They don't really tell us anything
 
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navanman

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OT news, sorta:
Seems Tony Fernandez of Team Lotus, Caterham & Air Asia is buying QPR football club from Bernie.
 
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Ark

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navanman said:
OT news, sorta:
Seems Tony Fernandez of Team Lotus, Caterham & Air Asia is buying QPR football club from Bernie.
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Didn't Flavio own part of QPR as well? Or did he sell that off before? I don't remember.
 
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i need F1, i walk around thinking something i missing =(



EDIT: man amazing work from leunam.
Awesome that i got the opening word.
but nice nice nice work.
 
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Kubica update from Autosport Magazine:

- The doctors expect Kubica to be ready for a simulator try-out by the end of September

- Insiders close to Robert say the recovery process has slowed down recently, but should pick up again after the last major operation scheduled this month is expected to 'unlock' the mobility of the elbow. Some reckon the recovery could still take a full year once the final operation is completed

- At present he can close some of the fingers and pick up bulky objects

- The nerves are rebuilding on schedule

- He hasn't and won't appear in public or give proper interviews until he's able to speak precisely about his plans
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mclaren777 said:
If Robert ever enters another F1 race I'll be quite shocked.
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Sadly I agree. Nannini never returned to F1 and while he did sever his arm, the litany of RK's injuries I think will just add up. He might return in a lesser category, but I imagine he will become one of the great unfulfilled talents in F1.
 
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DrM

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I think that we won't see Robert even in the next season.

Also, Auto, Motor und Sport reported that Mclaren solved huge tyre wear in hot weather with help of former Bridgestone chief engineer. He now works for Mclaren.
 
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DrM said:
Also, Auto, Motor und Sport reported that Mclaren solved huge tyre wear in hot weather with help of former Bridgestone chief engineer. He now works for Mclaren.
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Excellent :lol

I have high hopes for Kubica coming back, it would be a major injustice if he doesn't return to the sport.
 
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Everyone should follow Webs on Twitter. Doesn't say a heck of a lot, but it's usually fairly interesting (in a stalkerish kinda way). Cool to read that he went bike riding with Prost during his time off.

Fingers crossed he comes back from his break with a fresh taste for P1 blood.
 
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McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh says his squad will be reinvigorated for the world title fight when the Formula 1 season resumes at Spa at the end of the month.

Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button's triumphs in Germany and Hungary respectively have raised hopes that McLaren might be able to at least delay Sebastian Vettel and Red Bull's title celebrations, although the Woking team remains 103 points adrift of RBR in the constructors' standings at present.

"This final stretch of European races will break the back of the calendar, so it's important that we hit them aggressively and confidently before pushing on into the final flyaways," said Whitmarsh.

"The whole team has returned to work feeling refreshed, relaxed and recharged, and I'm confident that we'll see the benefit of that at the racetrack: our engineers and strategists are hungry to get back to business, and our mechanics are fit and ready to continue the excellent progress they have been making all season with fast and reliable work in the garage and the pitlane."

He said McLaren's recent success had given it even stronger motivation and that it had a lot more room and hunger for improvement despite winning the last two races.

"Despite winning three of the last five grands prix, we are still hugely determined to be stronger than before," Whitmarsh vowed. "Time and time again, Vodafone McLaren Mercedes has proved its resilience and determination, particularly at this crucial stage of the world championship.

"We are more than ready for this fight and relishing every race."

Hamilton said McLaren's upgrades in the past few grands prix had given both drivers huge faith in the car.

"I think we go into the race weekend in a pretty good place - we've won the last two grands prix and the car feels strong; we've worked hard to improve the set-up, so it's really inspiring confidence at the moment, which means you can push it that little bit further, particularly in qualifying," he said.

Button echoed Hamilton's comments, and added that while his win in Hungary had been achieved in mixed weather conditions, he was sure the car had the pace to win in any situation now.

"It felt great to go into the summer break off the back of the win in Hungary," said Button. "That was a race I think we could just as well have won in the dry as in the damp – which will be worth bearing in mind in Spa, as it'll probably be wet and dry – and everything in between – at some point during the weekend.

"Once again, our aim will be to put pressure on the championship frontrunners, particularly Red Bull. Our car definitely feels really driveable right now, so I don't think this weekend's tyre compound selection will affect us too much. We learnt a lot about the Pirelli medium after the race in Valencia, and I think we've moved on quite a bit since then."
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I know I'm clutching at straws, but could you imagine the uproar that would be caused if McLaren won every single remaining race of the year, where both drivers finished in the top 3 each race with Vettel lingering around 3rd/4th/5th? I'm not going to bother doing the maths but I'm fairly certain if Button or Hamilton won a vast majority of the final races they'd be a contender for the title, provided Vettel has just an inch of bad luck.

Has anyone ever come back from a points deficit like this to win the title before? If that happens...at least Sky will have damned difficult job to beat the BBC, more so than already.
 
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Xun

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Ark said:
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I know I'm clutching at straws, but could you imagine the uproar that would be caused if McLaren won every single remaining race of the year, where both drivers finished in the top 3 each race with Vettel lingering around 3rd/4th/5th? I'm not going to bother doing the maths but I'm fairly certain if Button or Hamilton won a vast majority of the final races they'd be a contender for the title, provided Vettel has just an inch of bad luck.

Has anyone ever come back from a points deficit like this to win the title before? If that happens...at least Sky will have damned difficult job to beat the BBC, more so than already.
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I highly doubt it, but that would be absolutely epic.
 
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Edmond Dantès

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Ark said:
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I know I'm clutching at straws, but could you imagine the uproar that would be caused if McLaren won every single remaining race of the year, where both drivers finished in the top 3 each race with Vettel lingering around 3rd/4th/5th? I'm not going to bother doing the maths but I'm fairly certain if Button or Hamilton won a vast majority of the final races they'd be a contender for the title, provided Vettel has just an inch of bad luck.

Has anyone ever come back from a points deficit like this to win the title before? If that happens...at least Sky will have damned difficult job to beat the BBC, more so than already.
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That would go down as one of the greatest comebacks in the history of F1 and cement 2011's place as one of the great seasons. Highly unlikely, but one can dream.
 
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Edmond Dantès said:
That would go down as one of the greatest comebacks in the history of F1 and cement 2011's place as one of the great seasons. Highly unlikely, but one can dream.
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McLaren at least have a good chance of winning Spa & Monza, so I guess we'll see by Singapore.
 
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The only realistic way Vettel could have his title threatened is if he has lots of DNFs. Finishing down the order isn't much of a problem since his competition eat away at eachother's points more than they do at his lead. Besides, he has a lead that's very nearly insurmountable. He could sit out the next three races and still be guaranteed to be leading the championship. If Vettel doesn't claim the title this year it would be amongst the most improbable things to ever happen in sports.
 
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f0rk

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RomanticHeroX said:
The only realistic way Vettel could have his title threatened is if he has lots of DNFs. Finishing down the order isn't much of a problem since his competition eat away at eachother's points more than they do at his lead. Besides, he has a lead that's very nearly insurmountable. He could sit out the next three races and still be guaranteed to be leading the championship. If Vettel doesn't claim the title this year it would be amongst the most improbable things to ever happen in sports.
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Yeah Vettel just needs to finish in reasonable points like he has in the last few races. So basically Massa just needs to take him out a few times as he has nothing to lose.
 
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RomanticHeroX said:
The only realistic way Vettel could have his title threatened is if he has lots of DNFs. Finishing down the order isn't much of a problem since his competition eat away at eachother's points more than they do at his lead. Besides, he has a lead that's very nearly insurmountable. He could sit out the next three races and still be guaranteed to be leading the championship. If Vettel doesn't claim the title this year it would be amongst the most improbable things to ever happen in sports.
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Exactly. As far as finishing goes, I think he's only not finished on the podium once. Amazing effort.
 
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Shaneus

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Hey, if I'd have known he was going to be this dominant I would've bought tickets to Melbourne and pulled a Tonya Harding on him. If anyone here lives near Spa... you know what to do.
 
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How about: if you get pole you get the option to start from the back of the grid with your tyre allotment for the weekend restored and you score double points. That would be awesome. In the stock car racing I watch the winner of the final gets the option of starting the final race from the very front (of a normally reversed grid) but a lap down and gets double points if they win, and it's really exciting.

a pic of stock car racing if anyone was interested, the f2 class in particular!

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moojito said:
How about: if you get pole you get the option to start from the back of the grid with your tyre allotment for the weekend restored and you score double points. That would be awesome.
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Webber WDC.
 
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What's with this Tilke guy designing so many tracks? I was looking up information on the US Grand Prix about getting tickets since I live in the US and it looks like a mash up of a bunch of existing tracks, and sure enough, "...draws from several European Formula One circuits, including a recreation of Silverstone's Maggotts-Becketts-Chapel sequence, Hockenheim's arena bends and a replica of Istanbul's Turn Eight." Not that these are bad by themselves, but the best this dude can do is combine parts of other tracks? Looking up more tracks that this guy has designed, and I hate racing on over half of them in F1 2010. Shanghai sucks, Yas Marina kinda sucks, Bahrain kinda sucks, Yeongam sucks.
 
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InertiaXr said:
What's with this Tilke guy designing so many tracks? I was looking up information on the US Grand Prix about getting tickets since I live in the US and it looks like a mash up of a bunch of existing tracks, and sure enough, "...draws from several European Formula One circuits, including a recreation of Silverstone's Maggotts-Becketts-Chapel sequence, Hockenheim's arena bends and a replica of Istanbul's Turn Eight." Not that these are bad by themselves, but the best this dude can do is combine parts of other tracks? Looking up more tracks that this guy has designed, and I hate racing on over half of them in F1 2010. Shanghai sucks, Yas Marina kinda sucks, Bahrain kinda sucks, Yeongam sucks.
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He's the go to F1 circuit designer in this era of Formula One and much maligned for his designs and butchering of classic tracks. He has designed some decent tracks, but the FIA constraints that are imposed on him really nullify his creative talents.
 
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Edmond Dantès said:
He's the go to F1 circuit designer in this era of Formula One and much maligned for his designs and butchering of classic tracks. He has designed some decent tracks but the FIA constraints that are imposed on him really nullify his creative talents.
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I'm intrigued, what kind of constraints could or should be imposed for track design? I'm assuming to try and avoid seemingly dangerous corners/tracks, like Monaco in general and the huge hill at the 1st turn of Spa, and the general overall speed of Monza, but otherwise why would the FIA care what he or any designer does? I think it'd even be cool if they were looking to design/build a new track and gave the fans the basic constraints they are having to work with, like size of the land and elevation changes etc, and let people enter their own designs and have people vote on their favorites.
 
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InertiaXr said:
I'm intrigued, what kind of constraints could or should be imposed for track design? I'm assuming to try and avoid seemingly dangerous corners/tracks, like Monaco in general and the huge hill at the 1st turn of Spa, and the general overall speed of Monza, but otherwise why would the FIA care what he or any designer does? I think it'd even be cool if they were looking to design/build a new track and gave the fans the basic constraints they are having to work with, like size of the land and elevation changes etc, and let people enter their own designs and have people vote on their favorites.
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There is all kinds of regulations the track has to meet. From a quick search these are the only regs I've found regarding circuit design.

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/D2162D1A054A333AC12578100053ECC3/$FILE/11.01.06_Annexe%20O_%202011.pdf

To hold an F1 race the circuit has to hold a Grade 1 certification from the FIA though. I have no idea how these grades are given, I'd imagine they are given on a case by case basis though as it will be too difficult to write a definitive set of rules on it.

http://www.fpak.pt/homologacoes/2011/CIRCUITOS LICENCIADOS FIA.pdf
 
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Edmond Dantès

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InertiaXr said:
I'm intrigued, what kind of constraints could or should be imposed for track design? I'm assuming to try and avoid seemingly dangerous corners/tracks, like Monaco in general and the huge hill at the 1st turn of Spa, and the general overall speed of Monza, but otherwise why would the FIA care what he or any designer does? I think it'd even be cool if they were looking to design/build a new track and gave the fans the basic constraints they are having to work with, like size of the land and elevation changes etc, and let people enter their own designs and have people vote on their favorites.
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Safety regulations have move on a lot since the classic tracks were designed, so those have to be taken into account when designing new circuits.

The regulations;

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/0311B5A442CB0EB6C12577FC004CD946/$FILE/D%C3%A9cembre%202010_Annexe%20O%202010_Modifications%20en%20cours%20d%27ann%C3%A9e%202010%20en%20rouge%20.pdf

A couple of examples of the complexity of the regulations.
Width
When planning new permanent circuits, the track width foreseen should be at least 12 m. Where the track width changes, the transition should be made as gradually as possible, at a rate not greater than 1 m in 20 m total width. The width of the starting grid should be at least 15 m; this width must be maintained through to the exit of the fi rst corner (as indicated by the racing line). Existing circuits requesting international recognition but which are narrower, may be approved if national events have regularly
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Longitudinal profile
Any change in gradient should be effected using a minimum vertical radius calculated by the formula:

R = V²
K

Where R is the radius in metres, V is the speed in kph and K is a constant equal to 20 in the case of a concave profi le or to 15 in the case of a convex profi le. The value of R should be adequately increased along approach, release, braking and curved sections.
Wherever possible, changes in gradient should be avoided altogether in these sections.
The gradient of the start/fi nish straight should not exceed 2%.
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mclaren777

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Ark said:
Has anyone ever come back from a points deficit like this to win the title before?
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Lewis had an amazing comeback in the second half of the 2009 championship, outscoring everybody including the two Brawn drivers.
 
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