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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|
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Adam Scott Aukerman
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isamu said:
Pretty much no one gives a shit about North American motorsports outside of the US.
It's always a downer when the circus heads overseas. 10pm is pushing the boundaries of decency for F1 (unless we were talking about any of the European football leagues - then it's always the right time!)Shaneus said:
As long as you know it's all in good fun and you don't call for my banning
PS. Fuuuck it's back to the shit non-Pacific times for races now. Turkey is airing at 10pm Australian time for the race
RomanticHeroX
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The Chinese GP started for me at 3 AM. You don't get to complain about 10 PM for a start time.
Great race, if not a little confusing at times. The new tyres have made it pretty hard to estimate who is looking good or bad (Rosberg, Vettel, Webber).
Hamilton was a bully out there. We give him shit for being too aggressive when it goes wrong, but his lack of fear going for all or nothing is what makes him the most exciting driver on the grid.
Awesome comeback for Webber. Button must have been somewhat puzzled to see Webber come out of nowhere to take his position.
I think it shows the teams still don't understand much about the tyres. The season will be much decided on what teams that makes the best tyre decisions. It will be brutal when we get out first wet race.
Hamilton was a bully out there. We give him shit for being too aggressive when it goes wrong, but his lack of fear going for all or nothing is what makes him the most exciting driver on the grid.
Awesome comeback for Webber. Button must have been somewhat puzzled to see Webber come out of nowhere to take his position.
I think it shows the teams still don't understand much about the tyres. The season will be much decided on what teams that makes the best tyre decisions. It will be brutal when we get out first wet race.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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RomanticHeroX said:
Pretty much, this.
RomanticHeroX
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Canada and Brazil are pretty much the only reasonably timed GPs for US F1 fans. It's just something you have to get used to. I really don't mind the late late GPs as much as the ones that start at 6 or 7 AM, which is the case for most of the European races.
moojito
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All these people calling these races confusing obviously never saw the 94 japanese gp! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1994_Japanese_Grand_Prix
Now that was confusing.
Now that was confusing.
Guessing after Webber conquered Mt. Everybody, pretty sure everyone will fight to stay in the bottom ranks. Expect 5min+ laptimes!
Edit: Holy shit, that picture I posted of Hammy giving the finger wasn't the only time he did it!
:lol :lol :lol
Just epic. Hope Vettel saw that.
Edit: Holy shit, that picture I posted of Hammy giving the finger wasn't the only time he did it!
:lol :lol :lol
Just epic. Hope Vettel saw that.
Salacious Crumb
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Q1 will be like WRC, with everyone pulling over for a few seconds half way round the lap.
Psychotext
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On that subject, I'm always out at 1pm on a Sunday... I'm going to need to buy a portable TV or something.Juicy Bob said:
I suppose iplayer on a tablet is an option... though missing any of the race through connection issues would likely have me smashing the tablet through rage!
moojito
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This brings up the question again of why don't they reverse the qualifying grid order? The main response at the time seemed to be "it's too hard to overtake that many people". Webber proved that wrong. Maybe award more fresh tyres to the people qualifying higher up, etc. Every race could be like that!
Jinjo
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moojito said:
Then there's no incentive for the top runners to go all out. You could just as well not run, get P1 (because you're P10) and still have the fresh tyres. The only incentive that would make this possible is to distribute points for qualifying. But with RBR's current qualifying domination, let's not do that.
Also, after watching the forum I can't believe Coulthard didn't even think of the idea of KERS'ing before start/finish and then immediately KERS'ing again when you cross the start/finish line (when your KERS refills) to gain an advantage on the person in front of you.
Edmond Dantès
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I'm certainly looking forward to the European leg of the season starting. Far more reasonable.Ark said:Euro GAF has such a hard time with the European races, I mean we have to watch them at 1pm! What if I want to sleep through the afternoon?
Five years ago, we finally found the perfect qualifying format that everyone loved after about four different attempts with one-shot qualifying and the like. Now, we've finally seemed to find the perfect racing balance between on-track overtaking, strategy and fairness to all competing drivers. I really don't know why people want to change anything about the sport as it is right now. It's pretty much perfect from a spectacle and racing point of view now.
Edmond Dantès
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It'll be worth it.Ark said:
I have a feeling that this season will surpass 2010 in terms of entertainment. I mean we've already had one of the best races in years, at a track that hasn't traditionally produced great races.
Just imagine the GP at Montreal with this rule set. Drool.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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S. L. said:
But you'd just end up with the 'optimum' strategy being to design a car that's capable of reaching around 4th-5th both in qualifying and in the race. BOOOOORING.
SunhiLegend
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Yes, finally European races are here. Love watching the races in the afternoon on a sunday, compared to the early starts. Hopefully Ferrari sort out there issues.
Opus Angelorum
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Great race, but the DRS section should never have been reduced. It was ineffective.
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Salacious Crumb
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Also not a single safety car yet this season.
I think KERS is far more effective helping a car go from slow to fast, than it is at making a car go from fast to very fast. Using it as soon as you cross the line means you're screwed later on in the lap against guys who still have it to use out of a slow corner where it'd probably be a lot more useful. That's why you rarely see KERS being used as soon as the charge comes back unless they're still pressing the button by accident.Jinjo said:
About the race times in Australia, I think we have it pretty good for the most part. Asian races within a couple hours of local time, basically all the European races at 10pm, then only getting trouble with the American races being at 3am or something.
Oh and I think DRS worked perfectly in China. They had a few really good examples of it as well when they showed a battle down that long straight with both cars speeds displayed on the screen. When the chasing car opens up the wing it's like some F-Zero boosting ahah.
Opus Angelorum
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I disagree.
The opportunity to overtake rarely occurred. The chase car had only built enough speed to overtake just as the they got to the approach of turn 14.
What they should have done was allow DRS to be used out of turn 13 onto the straight. The chase car would have a better tow out of the corner and provided a genuine chance to move alongside the lead car.
I don't mind them restricting it to a portion of the very long straight, I just have issue with their placement.
The opportunity to overtake rarely occurred. The chase car had only built enough speed to overtake just as the they got to the approach of turn 14.
What they should have done was allow DRS to be used out of turn 13 onto the straight. The chase car would have a better tow out of the corner and provided a genuine chance to move alongside the lead car.
I don't mind them restricting it to a portion of the very long straight, I just have issue with their placement.
Jinjo
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vanty said:
I'm not saying you have to destroy your entire charge, but Hamilton showed in the overtake with Button that it can be very effective as he did that exact "trick". Coulthard was amazed by the fact that that was possible even though if you pay attention to the on screen telemetry you can see that drivers sometimes use it. It is offcourse dependant on the track, but in this case Hamilton was able to get a run on Button and overtake him in turn 1 as he had a major power advantage for about 4 seconds, instead of the normal 1 second he still had left after the final turn.
Another instance was were Hamilton normally would've KERS'd out of turn 3, he decided to save that charge to get Vettel in between turn 6 & 7. Offcourse saving some charge for the back straight. I loved how the drivers KERS'd the beginning of the backstraight and as soon as they ran out of juice they were able to deploy DRS if they were in that window, which created some nice situations down the hairpin.
Jinjo said:
This isn't really how KERS works though, they don't suddenly have full KERS once they cross the Start/Finish line, that diagram is there just to simplify things. If they used all their KERS up before crossing the line, they won't have any more until after braking into turn 1.
I think the length of the drs zone was just right in China. It doesn't need to allow the attacking car to get beside, it just needs to get the trailing car in the tow of the car in front to allow the driver a fighting chance of making the pass. It is a delicate balance because you don't want to make overtakes cheap maneuvers.
Finally watched the race tonight, holy crap it was amazing. There was some brilliant overtaking and Webber storming from 18th to a podium finish was just amazing. All the new tactics with the Pirelli's are brilliant, really bringing F1's back to real racing!
Even my housemate who doesn't follow the F1's was glued to the tele.
Bring on Turkey!
Even my housemate who doesn't follow the F1's was glued to the tele.
Bring on Turkey!
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