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[Foliorum Viridum]

Care to explain why? Ignoring Schumacher's Ferrari years, and Alonso's stint at McLaren, they're both pretty likeable guys now imo.

Schumacher sure can still be a dick at times on the track, but off the track it's like he has a whole different personality compared to 5 years ago. And I fail to see how Alonso is a cunt, especially off the track, IIRC he's never blamed the team.

But then of course, it could just be the standard F1 bandwagon hate

How can you ignore his years at Ferrari? Just last year he nearly forced Ruebens into a fucking wall, so it's not just that, anyway.

Alonso just seems like a bad sport to me. Bitching about Hamilton on the radio, being a dick to Petrov just because he wasn't good enough to overtake him in the last race last year, etc etc. Massively unlikeable.

I'm too young to judge Senna. I've seen that clip of him ramming his main rival off the track though which is pretty cuntish in my books.

To call it "bandwagon" hate is ridiculous.

 

[Ark]

How can you ignore his years at Ferrari? Just last year he nearly forced Ruebens into a fucking wall, so it's not just that, anyway.

Alonso just seems like a bad sport to me. Bitching about Hamilton on the radio, being a dick to Petrov just because he wasn't good enough to overtake him in the last race last year, etc etc. Massively unlikeable.

I'm too young to judge Senna. I've seen that clip of him ramming his main rival off the track though which is pretty cuntish in my books.

To call it "bandwagon" hate is ridiculous.

We can ignore Schumacher's Ferrari years, and anything pre-2010 because he left the sport for 3 years and clearly came back, personality wise, what looks like a much calmer and respectable man.

Alonso bitching about Hamilton is just the remains of their 2007 hatred, the Hamilton/Alonso rivalry is probably the biggest since Senna/Prost. It's all fair game though. Look at their small dual in Malaysia a couple of weeks ago, that was some nice clean professional racing between two champions (until they collided ..).

I find it thoroughly ironic that you were going on about making F1 more eventful, but now you've said you'd love to see two of the most eventful guys on the grid out of the sport!

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Yes ramming a man into a wall is a lot more respectable. He still has that smug arrogance whenever he talks and you know he thinks he's still the best there is. He's the same old Michael through and through.

Alonso and Michael very rarely entertain me other than when they don't perform well or crash. I wouldn't find the sport less boring without them, and whoever moves to Ferarri is always going to be competitive so they would fill the Alonos gap.

 

[Ark]

Yes ramming a man into a wall is a lot more respectable. He still has that smug arrogance whenever he talks and you know he thinks he's still the best there is. He's the same old Michael through and through.

If you're going to judge someones respectability on a single move, then I guess so (and lets be honest now, you're about to overtaken by a guy you totally dominated for 5 years, you aren't going to just let him breeze past). I wouldn't say he thinks he's the best, but to be fair he holds a shit tonne of records now

and whoever moves to Ferarri is always going to be competitive so they would fill the Alonos gap.

Luca Badoer
Fisichella
Massa '10

Just for arguments sake

 

[brotkasten]

Yes ramming a man into a wall is a lot more respectable. He still has that smug arrogance whenever he talks and you know he thinks he's still the best there is. He's the same old Michael through and through.

Alonso and Michael very rarely entertain me other than when they don't perform well or crash. I wouldn't find the sport less boring without them, and whoever moves to Ferarri is always going to be competitive so they would fill the Alonos gap.

Maybe you need to be an arrogant cunt to be successful in F1. At least on the track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNmqn3heGgE

 

[ashk]

Maybe you need to be an arrogant cunt to be successful in F1. At least on the track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNmqn3heGgE

I don't think it's necessary, but it helps. I remember reading stuff about Niki Lauda which make him seem like an asshole, and IIRC Piquet also had a bit of a reputation. I guess selfishness (to put it mildly) is a prerequisite for greatness in F1.

 

[DD]

I have the same oppinion than Foliorum Viridum. I do think Alonso is a very fast driver, but he doesn't give a show on track like Hamilton usually do. And I think he is a jerk too. Remember when he stayed too long on the pits just to take Hamilton's chance to make a better lap in qualy in Hungary 2007? I read that after that incident, he tryed to convince the team to put less fuel on Hamilton's car. He wanted McLaren working only for him, and the team refused to do that, so he tryed to blackmail the team, because he knew that McLaren had stolen Ferrari's project. The team refused again to give him privileges, so he fucked everyone out, reporting to the FIA ​​about that.

At Renault in 2008 and 2009 he had the team working only for him. Even so, he accepted and participated of the plan for Piquet to crash in Shangai, and he won the race because of that, fucking Piquet's carrer and (more or less) Massa's title.

In 2010, he was yelling at the team's radio because Massa was in front of him in Germany, and so the team ordered Massa to give him the first place. He did the same thing with Petrov in the last race. Is it so hard for a two titles driver to overtake a supposed slower driver?

So, yes, I do think Alonso is a jerk.

I just reminded the video that the drivers made for Kubica, sending best regards, making jokes, and wishing a fast recovery, and Alonso said "you're like me. We are in the Formula 1 to win, not to make friends". LOL.

About Schumacher, Barrichello once said that he faked his friendship with him just not to destroy the team's mood. Barrichello said that Schumacher is the type of guy who who literally do anything to win. Anything. In Austria 2001 they were far from the half of the championship, and even so, the team ordered him to give his first place to Schumacher, and so he did in the final meters of the race. He raced with a car internally called "nona" ("grandma", in intalian) by the team, and in a race weekend when Barrichello's car was faster than Schumy's, they forced him to change cars. I'll never forget that manouver when Schumacher almost took Barrichello's life in Hungary last year, pushing him to the wall at 300 KM/h. I also remember when Schumacher stoped his car in Monte Carlo just to mess Alonso's flying lap.

They may be winners in life and in the sport, but don't convince me as nice guys.

 

[Ark]

Crash-gate was in Singapore, not Shanghai.

F1 would be boring without villains

 

[S. L.]

Regardless, it's not like the rest of the grid are all perfect.

i don't get why people are so worked up about that one.
Sure it was close, but Baricello didn't crash or anything, there was enough space - it was perfectly fine

 

[DD]

Crash-gate was in Singapore, not Shanghai.

F1 would be boring without villains

Oops, you're right. Mea culpa.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Crash-gate was in Singapore, not Shanghai.

F1 would be boring without villains

Life would be boring without villains.

 

[DD]

i don't get why people are so worked up about that one.
Sure it was close, but Baricello didn't crash or anything, there was enough space - it was perfectly fine

Seriously?!

http://coffeepoweredracing.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/schumacherbarrichello.jpg

What if there was a car coming out of the pits?

And look at the grass 20 meters ahead.

Barrichello had to push Schumacher after the pits exit.

http://f1girlsonline.files.wordpres...arrichello-and-michael-schumacher_2483052.jpg

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Breaking news: News corp in potential F1 bid.

 

[anonnumber6]

I have the same oppinion than Foliorum Viridum. I do think Alonso is a very fast driver, but he doesn't give a show on track like Hamilton usually do. And I think he is a jerk too. Remember when he stayed too long on the pits just to take Hamilton's chance to make a better lap in qualy in Hungary 2007? I read that after that incident, he tryed to convince the team to put less fuel on Hamilton's car. He wanted McLaren working only for him, and the team refused to do that, so he tryed to blackmail the team, because he knew that McLaren had stolen Ferrari's project. The team refused again to give him privileges, so he fucked everyone out, reporting to the FIA ​​about that.

At Renault in 2008 and 2009 he had the team working only for him. Even so, he accepted and participated of the plan for Piquet to crash in Shangai, and he won the race because of that, fucking Piquet's carrer and (more or less) Massa's title.

In 2010, he was yelling at the team's radio because Massa was in front of him in Germany, and so the team ordered Massa to give him the first place. He did the same thing with Petrov in the last race. Is it so hard for a two titles driver to overtake a supposed slower driver?

So, yes, I do think Alonso is a jerk.

I just reminded the video that the drivers made for Kubica, sending best regards, making jokes, and wishing a fast recovery, and Alonso said "you're like me. We are in the Formula 1 to win, not to make friends". LOL.

About Schumacher, Barrichello once said that he faked his friendship with him just not to destroy the team's mood. Barrichello said that Schumacher is the type of guy who who literally do anything to win. Anything. In Austria 2001 they were far from the half of the championship, and even so, the team ordered him to give his first place to Schumacher, and so he did in the final meters of the race. He raced with a car internally called "nona" ("grandma", in intalian) by the team, and in a race weekend when Barrichello's car was faster than Schumy's, they forced him to change cars. I'll never forget that manouver when Schumacher almost took Barrichello's life in Hungary last year, pushing him to the wall at 300 KM/h. I also remember when Schumacher stoped his car in Monte Carlo just to mess Alonso's flying lap.

They may be winners in life and in the sport, but don't convince me as nice guys.

In Hungary Alonso was angry because during the fuel burning phase Hamilton was meant to be behind Alonso but he raced off into the distance. After Alonso waited in the pits Hamilton's father went to the FIA to complain even though it was an internal affair that McLaren themselves could have dealt with. Now do you honestly believe when Alonso signed up to drive for McLaren he thought he would not be the number one driver especially as it looked like a rookie driver would be his teammate, you have to remember Alonso was leaving a team that was built around him and thought he would get the same treatment at McLaren. It wasn't until Monaco when Hamilton threw his toys out of the pram that the rivalry started and even during that season Alosno narrowly missed out on the championship even without the support of his team principal for half of the season.

His knowledge of the stolen data is indefensible, as was everyone in McLaren connected to it(including Ron Dennis). But I'm glad he didn't lie to the FIA because McLaren didn't deserve anything that season.

Singapore had nothing to do with Alonso and the WMSC cleared him of any involvement and he was still awarded the race win.

At Hockenheim Ferrari's decision was legitimate, Massa had been struggling for quite a while and Alonso was their only shot at the WDC so unless you want to bring up the team orders debate again it isn't really worth discussing.

Also Alonso is Kubica's closest friend off the track so I don't get why you mentioned him.

 

[Lucius86]

Alonso is a tosser - just a damn talented tosser.

 

[Dilly]

Alonso and Kubica are indeed close friends, he went to see him at the hospital shortly after his crash.

About that, seems like he's recovering good, he won't have to stay in the hospital for much longer.

 

[Massa]

Alonso finally overtook Petrov in Shangai, hehe.

I'm too young to judge Senna. I've seen that clip of him ramming his main rival off the track though which is pretty cuntish in my books.

That was a pretty dangerous move, but there's more to that story than that. The FIA president at the time committed one of the biggest shams of F1 the year before, and was on the way to do that again to guarantee another Prost title in 1990. Senna was pretty thick and decided he would have none of that.

 

[Ark]

Seriously?!

http://coffeepoweredracing.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/schumacherbarrichello.jpg

What if there was a car coming out of the pits?

And look at the grass 20 meters ahead.

Barrichello had to push Schumacher after the pits exit.

http://f1girlsonline.files.wordpres...arrichello-and-michael-schumacher_2483052.jpg

The move wasn't 'fine', but it wasn't as deadly as people make it out to be. I doubt the crash would have injured either driver, look at Kubica's crash at Montreal in 2008 (iirc), he only got a broken leg from that.

 

[DD]

I know that Alonso is Kubica's friend. I'm only pointing that while everyone was playing jokes to cheer the guy up, he was the only "serious business" one.

About McLaren's contract, he had the same conditions as his team mate, and even Hamilton beeing a rookie, he almost gained the title over the "almighty" Alonso.

And I'm not saying that he stole the Ferrari's project. I'm saying that he was the one who exposed his own team. I know that McLaren should be punished for that, but it's not like Alonso was playing the hero. He was just blackmailing his own team to gain privileges.

About Singapore, only a fool would start in 15th place short on fuel, and we all know that Alonso is not a fool. He could gain some places at the start, but would lose a lot of places refueling while all the cars were close on the race start. It just don't make any sense. He knew about it all, he was part of the plan. Oh, and the father Piquet blackmailed Briatori too because of that, by the way.

About Hockeheim, Ferrari's position wasn't legitimate because team orders were not allowed by that time. They even got to the court for that. If Alonso was faster tham Massa, why didn't he overtake? Is that so hard for a twice world champion? It seems so...

 

[Leunam]

What drivers do you like and what you dislike for any reason?

Among the drivers that I like, one of them is Kamui Kobayashi.

It's kind of an odd reason, but given that F1 is a worldwide sport, it makes sense that there would be a Japanese presence, beyond just a track and a team. I'd support an American driver for the same reason.

Of course, it helps that Koba is also a really entertaining driver. Even though he didn't have the best start last year, he was pretty solid later on. Especially at Suzuka where he divebombed at the hairpin and passed people constantly.

 

[Nolan.]

I know that Alonso is Kubica's friend. I'm only pointing that while everyone was playing jokes to cheer the guy up, he was the only "serious business" one.

About McLaren's contract, he had the same conditions as his team mate, and even Hamilton beeing a rookie, he almost gained the title over the "almighty" Alonso.

And I'm not saying that he stole the Ferrari's project. I'm saying that he was the one who exposed his own team. I know that McLaren should be punished for that, but it's not like Alonso was playing the hero. He was just blackmailing his own team to gain privileges.

About Singapore, only a fool would start in 15th place short on fuel, and we all know that Alonso is not a fool. He could gain some places at the start, but would lose a lot of places refueling while all the cars were close on the race start. It just don't make any sense. He knew about it all, he was part of the plan. Oh, and the father Piquet blackmailed Briatori too because of that, by the way.

About Hockeheim, Ferrari's position wasn't legitimate because team orders were not allowed by that time. They even got to the court for that. If Alonso was faster tham Massa, why didn't he overtake? Is that so hard for a twice world champion? It seems so...

I was just about to mention these things. Alonso is a dick and it's evident without even having to dig into much of his actions. However to me he comes across as one of those kids that are so intensely socially awkward they end up saying/doing a lot of inappropriate things. People stay away from them for the most part and it ends up seeping into their adult life and they never truly develop in that sense. His dickishness (not a real word) I think is just a coping strategy to convince himself that he is the best so he stay in that bubble. It's kind of like pop stars that demand certain M&M's to be removed, things heated at precise temperatures etc. He is a talented guy but personally I just don't like him mainly because of his emotional immaturity. I think Coulthard once said that if being and asshole is what it takes to be a champion he'd happily stay clear, from that moment I started to like him even though he wasn't the best on the track. For similar reasons I like Rosberg, Button, Vettel and Hamilton (he seems so much more mature than even say a year ago). I also like Kobayashi, Webber, Massa and Di Resta. Button reminds me of Coulthard for some reason, he is a bit of a laxer but seems to be correcting it slightly by trying a bit more. Hamilton seems to be learning from people he comes in contact with particularly Button which is quite admirable. I do kind of agree with the comment about it needing villains, even though I don't like Alonso, he's good for competition.

 

[Ark]

I'd love to see Di Resta replace Button at McLaren, when he retires/leaves.

In fact, I hope we get to see Di Resta in a top 3 team come 2012/2013.

 

[itsgreen]

News Corp exploring plans to take over F1
Posted: Tuesday April 19th 2011, 20:23 GMT
News Corp is in the early stages of a potential takeover of the Formula 1 Group according to Sky News. The news organisation, itself owned by News Corp, says that there have been discussions with Carlos Slim about forming a consortium to buy Formula 1.

Carlos Slim is a Mexican national and the richest person on earth. Slim gained his fortune with his company Telmex. His net worth is said to be over $74 billion. At the moment Telmex is sponsor of Sauber and Sergio Perez.

Sky News also reports talks between News Corp and at least one of F1's big car manufacturers. JP Morgan is said to advice the organization of media mogul Rupert Murdoch on a prospective takeover. The takeover is said to be in "an embryonic stage".

Currently Formula 1 Group is for the largest part owned by CVC Capital, a large private equity firm. JP Morgan and Bernie Ecclestone's family have minority stakes in the group. Sky News business editor Mark Kleinman notes that CVC hasn't been keen on selling in the past: "CVC has said repeatedly it has no firm plans to sell F1, but of course private equity firms always sell on their investments at some point."

http://formula1news.com/article/178/News-Corp-exploring-plans-to-take-over-F1

Uh oh.

 

[Nolan.]

I'd love to see Di Resta replace Button at McLaren, when he retires/leaves.

In fact, I hope we get to see Di Resta in a top 3 team come 2012/2013.

That probably will end up coming true since Lewis' dad is managing him. I really like the Button-Hamilton team though it seems to work well so i'd be both pleased and sad. On the subject do some of you think team work on track can actually work well in F1 without it being nasty.?

 

[navanman]

http://formula1news.com/article/178/News-Corp-exploring-plans-to-take-over-F1

Uh oh.

If this happens and BBC loses F1 to Sky, I'll get really really really really mad....

 

[Ark]

If this happens and BBC loses F1 to Sky, I'll get really really really really mad....

If the BBC lost F1, the ratings would plummet. Shanghai last weekend had 5million viewers live.

That probably will end up coming true since Lewis' dad is managing him. I really like the Button-Hamilton team though it seems to work well so i'd be both pleased and sad. On the subject do some of you think team work on track can actually work well in F1 without it being nasty.?

I love the Button - Hamilton combination, but Di Resta is the only replacement for either of them imo, it'll please the British fans and Mercedes.

I'm not sure how on-track team work would work, other than holding someone up for your teammate. But Hamilton & Button are proof of what happens when they appear to actually be mates off track, they fight each other fairly.

 

[S. L.]

Seriously?!

http://coffeepoweredracing.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/schumacherbarrichello.jpg

What if there was a car coming out of the pits?

And look at the grass 20 meters ahead.

Barrichello had to push Schumacher after the pits exit.

http://f1girlsonline.files.wordpres...arrichello-and-michael-schumacher_2483052.jpg

Schmumacher always left him enough space.
of course it wasn't a nice cuddly warm hug move and one could argue if it was necessary or not, but that's racing
/shrug

 

[Cereal KiIIer]

Schmumacher always left him enough space.
of course it wasn't a nice cuddly warm hug move and one could argue if it was necessary or not, but that's racing
/shrug

If Senna had done this, people would have said it was awesome.

 

[dalin80]

If the BBC lost F1, the ratings would plummet. Shanghai last weekend had 5million viewers live.

.

would seriously damage f1 in the UK, would drop the audience to negligible.

 

[AndyD]

would seriously damage f1 in the UK, would drop the audience to negligible.

Yep, but maybe they are thinking of making it more global and less Europe oriented. As in show it on more stations, bring it to more countries (America's if Slim is involved) and so forth.

For better or for worse.

 

[Jinjo]

I'd love to see Di Resta replace Button at McLaren, when he retires/leaves.

In fact, I hope we get to see Di Resta in a top 3 team come 2012/2013.

You can't have both though since McLaren is aiming to lock both Button & Hamilton in until 2017. Considering Di Resta's strong ties to Mercedes it seems like the most likely way up for him is moving to Mercedes, but that all depends on Schumacher.

Schmumacher always left him enough space.
of course it wasn't a nice cuddly warm hug move and one could argue if it was necessary or not, but that's racing
/shrug

Officially, the track stops at the white lines..

 

[Deadman]

http://formula1news.com/article/178/News-Corp-exploring-plans-to-take-over-F1

Uh oh.

Worst thing ever.

 

[Jinjo]

Yep, but maybe they are thinking of making it more global and less Europe oriented. As in show it on more stations, bring it to more countries (America's if Slim is involved) and so forth.

For better or for worse.

Making it more global by removing it from the UK's public network which most people in Europe can acces if they have a standard TV antenna/cable?

 

[S. L.]

Officially, the track stops at the white lines..

so you are saying Barichello overtook illegally?

 

[ashk]

If Senna had done this, people would have said it was awesome.

Senna did do the same thing to Prost in (I think) the '88 Portugese GP. But it seems it's only a bad thing if Schumacher does it.

 

[operon]

If Senna had done this, people would have said it was awesome.

Exactly, Schumi left him enough space, he didn't force Barichello to make the pass. I think Senna said once may be wrong don't quote me that, when he went to pass you out and it was close and ye both could crash he left the choice up to the other person, ye either crash or they back off

 

[AndyD]

Making it more global by removing it from the UK's public network which most people in Europe can acces if they have a standard TV antenna/cable?

I was agreeing that it would kill viewership in Europe. I didn't mean it would be good or they would actually remove it from BBC. Only that they would try to globalize it more.

 

[Jinjo]

so you are saying Barichello overtook illegally?

Haha, touché. But you know what I meant.

I was agreeing that it would kill viewership in Europe. I didn't mean it would be good or they would actually remove it from BBC. Only that they would try to globalize it more.

Yeah I got that, but how can you make it more global if you kill off the European viewership of a (mostly) European sport? Looking at it from Sky's perspective offcourse.

 

[S. L.]

Haha, touché. But you know what I meant.

meh, of course it was a hard-ass maneuver and as i said one could argue if it was necessary or not, but i don't think it warrants any of the "OMG Schumacher tries to kill Barichello - HE ALWAYS HATED HIM" reactions.
I doubt either of them cared too much about the white line there.

 

[AndyD]

Haha, touché. But you know what I meant.



Yeah I got that, but how can you make it more global if you kill off the European viewership of a (mostly) European sport? Looking at it from Sky's perspective offcourse.

I don't think you can unless you shift it to a non European sport. No need to have huge European viewership if it's not meant to be a European centric sport.

Distributing 20 races evenly across the two Americas/Europe/Middle East/Africa/Asia/Australia would eliminate some of the European ones and add several in the Americas and other places.

Moving it "out" of Europe would globalize it more, but likely change the sport forever.

 

[Jinjo]

meh, of course it was an hard-ass maneuver and as i said one could argue if it was unnecessary or not, but i don't think it warrants any of the "OMG Schumacher tries to kill Barichello - HE ALWAYS HATED HIM" reactions

Haha, too slow. I saw your post pre-edit. It's fine though and I completely agree with what you're saying now.

 

[S. L.]

Haha, too slow. I saw your post pre-edit. It's fine though and I completely agree with what you're saying now.

i wanted too much, lol

 

[Harry_Tequila]

Jesus, it would be terrible if Sky managed to get their hands on Formula One.

I'll say it right now, if F1 moves over to Sky then my 18 year interest in the sport will come to an end.

 

[Massa]

Senna did do the same thing to Prost in (I think) the '88 Portugese GP. But it seems it's only a bad thing if Schumacher does it.

They're not comparable at all. Schumacher literally pushed Barrichello off track, Senna didn't.

 

[Templar Wizard]

im loving the Alonso hatred here.
all the time forgeting about hamilton and his wonderful comments and actions.

complaining about team on radio: check
disobeying team orders: check
complaining about not being able to win: check
lying to the world to gain advantage: check
not stoping at red light: check
referring to fellow drivers as monkeys: check

lots more.

 

[StuKen]

Jesus, it would be terrible if Sky managed to get their hands on Formula One.

I'll say it right now, if F1 moves over to Sky then my 18 year interest in the sport will come to an end.

I'd rather listen to james allen and jonathan legard endlessly describe the level of fellatio they would perform on lewis hamilton on itv than pay sky to watch f1. simple as.

 

[S. L.]

all that said
i dislike Webber, he is so smug, shitstirring, has a huge chin and is from Australia.
I used to like Hammy but his ear piercings now are atrocious, ugh - i can't take him serious anymore

my favorite drivers are/were Mika, Kimi, Hammy, Vettel

 

[Edmond Dantès]

all that said
i dislike Webber, he is so smug, shitstirring, has a huge chin and is from Australia.
I used to like Hammy but his ear piercings now are atrocious, ugh - i can't take him serious anymore

I'm the opposite, I disliked Lewis immensely when he debuted in F1, but I've really come to appreciate him over the past few seasons. He really has grown on me. The ear piercings are a bit silly though.

 

[Pterion]

Since we're playing this game, might as well throw my 2 cents out there.

I like Hamilton, Kobayashi and that's about it. Used to like Alonso, but that was back in the Minardi and early Renault days. Still a big fan of Montoya and Sato.

I dislike Alonso, Vettel, Webber, and Kubica.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

If Senna had done this, people would have said it was awesome.

Different era, different attitudes exhibited by fans of the sport. Those kind of maneuvers were really quite acceptable back then.