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The Formula 1 2012 Season |OT2| WHY AREN'T YOU WATCHING THIS SEASON?!
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SunhiLegend
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Was wondering the same thing, I can't find it anywhere on the BBC site or iplayer so I'm guessing there was no forum for Monza.
zomgbbqftw
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Probably, at least as an interim solution until they clear out all of the Button/Whitmarsh axis and get a new Lewis approved second driver in. Lewis should own the McLaren team in the same way Alonso owns Ferrari.
He is their best chance of winning a WDC and right now they are holding him back.
Really?
I think you mean Fernando International Assistance
Dropping Button and Whitmarsh for Hamilton is huge move, I'm not seeing it.
zomgbbqftw
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I thought Button just signed a long term contract, and Ron is hardly sending love letters to Hamiliton through the media. I think it's more likely Hamilton will stay and try and put this and his many other dramas behind him. McClaren can get away with letting him go by making a point of principle over money and petulance, no driver being bigger than the team etc, etc... and he's not like to cause them much embarrassment at Mercedes.
A fresh start for Lewis would be good I think, and we might actually get to see the driving that makes him so popular if he has to fight in the midfield.
A fresh start for Lewis would be good I think, and we might actually get to see the driving that makes him so popular if he has to fight in the midfield.
Foliorum Viridum
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Nope, their post-race segment was really short too. Fucking Sky.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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They're hard-balling Lewis over money and sponsorship deals, yet you think they're going to fire a star driver and their team principle & CEO to win him over?
Hilarious.
Only saw that one with Lewis in 'OK i do not give a shit' mode
http://vimeo.com/49131539#
Video from Kubica's rally stage.
I'm amazed that after suffering that accident he's still so agressive with that car, good stuff.
Video from Kubica's rally stage.
I'm amazed that after suffering that accident he's still so agressive with that car, good stuff.
Psychotext
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Ugh, so fucking smug.
SunhiLegend
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Goldrusher
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zomgbbqftw
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Lewis is McLaren to sponsors. He carries the team in terms of winning sponsors. Lewis is the star driver there in terms of sponsorship money and races but McLaren and Whitmarsh made a stupid decision to give Button such a long term deal that they will find costly to get out.
However you can be assured that the McLaren sponsors are on manoeuvres right now and top of the agenda is to ensure Lewis stays whatever the cost to the team in terms of other personnel. It's a big call but do is letting him leave in fact that is a bigger call given that Button isn't about to win any WDC titles.
Just like Ferrari, McLaren doesn't need a specific driver to get sponsors on board. They are a very strong brand with very passionate fans and will continue to be long after Hamilton retires.
People said the same thing about Ron letting Senna leave McLaren and look what happened.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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I'm sorry, but that's just utter nonsense.
If the sponsors were so bloody desperate for Hamilton to stay with the team, they'd pay up to keep him. Culling Button and Whitmarsh (even if you discount the damage that it would do to the team) would cost the team an absolute fortune - it would be much easier (and cheaper) to offer Hamilton a fraction of that cost to sweeten his deal.
LOL, do you ever have anything positive to say?
brotkasten
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There's hardly anything positive to say about Sky, when you compare it to the BBC.
Word. Still as bad as they were day one.
Lewis is leaving that team. Ron Dennis retiring was the beginning of the end of his love affair with McLaren. I'm happy for him. The team hasn't helped him much at all with his championship hopes. He's had to outdrive terrible strategies and pitstops far too often. On top of that, they're not willing to pay him.
He'll go somewhere else and get paid like the ace driver he is. He'll have a team committed to his future and sponsors that can make him into a global name. He's blossomed as a driver, but also as an individual, and the corporate atmosphere of McLaren is really holding him back. I expect his individuality to really be on display once he leaves, even if he experiences technical hiccups at the outset. Most-importantly, he's gonna get paid properly. Let's face it. What's the difference between sticking with McLaren for less money, and still not winning a championship, as opposed to driving for Merc and getting paid like a superstar while not winning a championship? That Merc can win races, and he's got the talent to pull it off. He'll follow the dollar signs, and McLaren is still gonna be stuck with Whitlessmarsh spinning their wheels. PEACE.
He'll go somewhere else and get paid like the ace driver he is. He'll have a team committed to his future and sponsors that can make him into a global name. He's blossomed as a driver, but also as an individual, and the corporate atmosphere of McLaren is really holding him back. I expect his individuality to really be on display once he leaves, even if he experiences technical hiccups at the outset. Most-importantly, he's gonna get paid properly. Let's face it. What's the difference between sticking with McLaren for less money, and still not winning a championship, as opposed to driving for Merc and getting paid like a superstar while not winning a championship? That Merc can win races, and he's got the talent to pull it off. He'll follow the dollar signs, and McLaren is still gonna be stuck with Whitlessmarsh spinning their wheels. PEACE.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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Not yet, it can't.
Foliorum Viridum
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Ask yer ma. OHHHHHHHH.
Positive about Sky? No. Positive about F1? A few days ago I was arguing against many people this is the best F1 season and loads of people are negative nancys, so I dunno why you're picking on me brah.
The media must take hundreds of variations of those team photos, I'd take that with a grain of salt. There's rivalry there, probably more now than ever, but I'm not seeing Prost/Senna levels.
Holy shit, I hadn't even noticed. The only race Vettel did win this year, was the only boring race all year. Even Valencia managed to be exciting.
Goes back to what I said last year, any race Vettel doesn't win is an interesting/exciting race. I don't mean that in a hateful way either, genuinely seems to be true ;p
brotkasten
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And you know what? I wouldn't be that bitter if he should win the WDC this year. It's been a hard and crazy season for everyone. Whoever wins, he definitely deserves it.
Foliorum Viridum
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If he wins and people bitch about it I'll seriously go insane.
So many F1 fans are all about the destination and not the journey. I don't understand it.
So many F1 fans are all about the destination and not the journey. I don't understand it.
Domenicali would have to start writing up a new CV.
In all honesty, Alonso and Hamilton have driven the best all year, either of those two deserve the title the most. If Kimi wins, I'll lose my shit (in a good, conflicted way).
We're actually pretty poised for either a repeat of 2010, 2008 or 2007.
brotkasten
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I don't think I'll be able watch another 2010 race, it still hurts. And looking at Ferrari's pit strategy this season, I know they'd do the same mistake again.
Thank you! My thoughts exactly.
Are you high!?
brotkasten
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I said I wouldn't be that bitter. That doesn't mean I wouldn't flip a tablet in that moment.
brotkasten
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You assume that Alonso can fight the WDC battle until the very end. I'm not that optimistic anymore.
Fair point.
Anyway, d'Ambrosio had a KERS failure in lap 6, he did quite well considering.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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James Allen isn't saying a deal is done, but he's adding up the pieces and saying that it looks incredibly likely that Hamilton is on his way out. There's also this interesting little snippet...
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/09/hamilton-set-to-move-to-mercedes/
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/09/hamilton-set-to-move-to-mercedes/
I'm starting to warm to the idea of Hamilton leaving. I can see how the challenge of turning Mercedes into a winner would seem exciting for him. Maybe he sees what Schumacher did at Ferrari and wants to try to do the same. It would definitely increase his chances of becoming the best driver of his generation.
I can see the Ferrari comparison for sure but its a different era now. Back then, you had unlimited budgets and testing and could spend your way to the top.
Mercedes have been quietly recruiting some top engineering and have the buiilding of a "super team". Maybe both parties see Hamilton as the Schumacher to Ferrari in the late 90s building the team up to the dominant force for nearly a decade.
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