If you drive in front of Grosjean, you should expect to crash.
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If you drive in front of Grosjean, you should expect to crash.
mclaren777
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Slowing down unexpectedly. Grosjean and the driver to his left were perfectly capable of continuing their pace, but Webber slowed down in front of him.
I don't think Grosjean deserved that penalty.
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Elvin Atombender
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It did look like Webber slowed down a lot suddenly - he should know what can happen when you do that in front of another car.
The Alonso - Räikkönen incident could easily have ended up as another "Spa" with lots of cars involved.
The Alonso - Räikkönen incident could easily have ended up as another "Spa" with lots of cars involved.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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Watch the gap between Webber and the car in front of him.
Now watch the gap between Webber and the car directly behind him (alongside Grosjean).
Finally, watch the gap between Grosjean and Webber.
Case closed.
mclaren777
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Perhaps Grosjean should have taken a tighter line, but I definitely think Webber slowed down a lot.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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I have no words.
Perhaps Grosjean should have taken a tighter line, but I definitely think Webber slowed down a lot.
Totaly Grosjean's fault. He couldn't even make that turn on cold tires and at that speed using that line...
Everyone (on a faster line) was slowing for a reason.
I don't see Webber slowing a lot. The gap looks bigger because its closer to the camera and also we see it more from the side. But i think its nearly constant (Webber to car in front).
I think Grosjean should and could have slowed down more. I mean look at how he gains on all four other visible cars, not just Webber. His out of sync speed on the off line is a dead giveaway.
I think Grosjean should and could have slowed down more. I mean look at how he gains on all four other visible cars, not just Webber. His out of sync speed on the off line is a dead giveaway.
Elvin Atombender
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If everyone is slowing down equally the space between Webber and the cars in front should be decreasing, not increasing. I think they both share the blame - a racing incident.
Yep. Look at Perez, he's closer to Webber and manages to slow down. I really don't see how you can make an argument against Webber, beyond being biased against him.
The gap between all four other cars closes at first (going into the apex) and Perez enters the frame, then opens up as the lead cars start accelerating. There may be some blame sharing but I think the lion's share goes to Grosjean. Had he been positioned like Perez, on the racing line, it would be a different story. For where he was though, he deserves all the flak he has been getting.
It was an impossible attempt by any standard. What he should have done is slowed and gone side by side with Perez and edge him out to take that position. Should have been an easy position which he ended up losing by greed.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Perhaps Grosjean should have taken a tighter line, but I definitely think Webber slowed down a lot.
Did grosjean even slow down AT ALL?
Jinjo
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Psychotext
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I don't think this applies when in fact Grosjean has said it was his mistake and other drivers are jumping on him for it. No one is jumping on Kimi because that in itself was a racing incident. IIRC a racing incident involves 2 drivers that can both share blame. A penalization occurs when one partly is clearly to blame.
RukusProvider
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Perhaps Grosjean should have taken a tighter line, but I definitely think Webber slowed down a lot.
Notice how the car to the left of him was pulling away then slowed down more than him because of Webber? Grosjean got red mist. All there is to it.
Makes sense. He should be quite used to it by now.
Still can't believe some are putting the blame on Webber.
Looking at that gif, man he was lucky (or skillful) to be able to pull that car back to the pits at all. Could've punctured a tyre, ended up stranded in the gravel pit, stalled... anything.
But, shouldn't have fucking happened in the first place. Webber's now gone from having an outside chance at WDC to absolutely none, thanks to that little French cunt.
But, shouldn't have fucking happened in the first place. Webber's now gone from having an outside chance at WDC to absolutely none, thanks to that little French cunt.
fu3lfr3nzy
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You can see from the GIF how Perez quickly swerves left when he was too close to Webber.
Grosjean just kept driving like Webber was invisible and stuck to his racing line. There was plenty of room to swerve right, even if it means running on the grass to avoid a collision.
Unless he thought he was playing Mario Kart and activated Star Power that he can just run over nearby cars and continue driving :lol
Myoclonic Jerk
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The more I watch that .GIF the more it feels like he ran into him on prupose
bobnowhere
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Perhaps Grosjean should have taken a tighter line, but I definitely think Webber slowed down a lot.
To me it actually looks like Kamui went very deep into the corner, while the distance between the two RB's stays about the same. Koby even washes out slightly mid corner.
Myoclonic Jerk
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I still think Gros didn't even hit the brakes. Acc/Brake telemetry would be gold
Do they even do that anymore?
bobnowhere
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Absolutely, Grosjean wasn't paying any attention to webber. I suspect he would have had trouble making the corner anyway.
Too many recent GP2 grads driving like they are still there. At the start of the year I though JEV was going to be the worst of the lot going on his 3.5 record but he has really dialed back his aggressive style. Maybe Grosjean should have a chat to him
With Hulk maybe leaving FI, I imagine Bianchi will be in there. Now that's a Frenchman who knows how to hit everyone!
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Hopefully he can get a seat elsewhere.
Believing Webber has had a chance at the WDC this year was clutching at straws at best, I'm sorry but he's been out-classed by everyone in the top four this year with the exception of Grosjean and Button.
RomanticHeroX
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Yeah, sadly. Webber hasn't looked to have a chance since Silverstone.
Silverstone was a hilarious mistake by Ferrari.
pants
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Wasnt Eddie Irvine closer?
Goldrusher
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Maria de Villota gave an interview to a Spanish magazine:
RomanticHeroX
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Hilarious mistakes are basically the only hope Webber has. Irvine had a decent shot in 99, but that was only possible because of Schumi breaking his leg.
Goldrusher
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In other news, Psy will wave the chequered flag at this weekend's Korean GP.
...and then actively driving for him.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Thursday, October 11, 1500 hours local time (0600 GMT)
Fernando Alonso (Ferrari), Romain Grosjean (Lotus), Pastor Maldonado (Williams), Nico Rosberg (Mercedes), Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) and Mark Webber (Red Bull).
Can't wait
Fernando Alonso (Ferrari), Romain Grosjean (Lotus), Pastor Maldonado (Williams), Nico Rosberg (Mercedes), Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) and Mark Webber (Red Bull).
Can't wait
RomanticHeroX
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Thursday, October 11, 1500 hours local time (0600 GMT)
Fernando Alonso (Ferrari), Romain Grosjean (Lotus), Pastor Maldonado (Williams), Nico Rosberg (Mercedes), Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) and Mark Webber (Red Bull).
Can't wait
Oh god please put Grosjean between Alonso and Webber.
Myoclonic Jerk
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lol..
Anyone knows the answer to the bonus Q?
I'm going crazy with my updates
Kimi > Hamilton
Maldonado > Grosjean
Lotus > Redbull
Engine the same with McLaren
Psychotext
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Her face looks amazing given the crash. I thought there would have been more damage.
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