Sleeplessnights
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If he performs, maybe he will stay? It's very hard to tell. Koba is up and down.
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The Formula 1 2012 Season |OT2| WHY AREN'T YOU WATCHING THIS SEASON?!
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If he performs, maybe he will stay? It's very hard to tell. Koba is up and down.
OMG! Please be true, please be true, please be true.
brotkasten
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Performance has nothing to do with Boullier's decisions. Nick Heidfeld killed Petrov in the season he was kicked out. Grosjean doesn't seem to be that much of an improvement compared to Senna.
Id like to see Luis Razia there, but it will be fine to see Bruno Senna finally with a proper chance this time... =P
Leave me alone, I know what I'm doing!!!
Kimi Raikkonen in the new Apple Maps commercial (iOS 6)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stPzkJCbMKE
Kimi Raikkonen in the new Apple Maps commercial (iOS 6)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stPzkJCbMKE
Psychotext
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Brilliant, I knew someone was going to do it eventually.
Mastah
Member
Sometimes it is simple.
Pastor wasted his chances in Australia, Monaco, Europe, Great Britain and Brazil. In these races he could score at the very least 10 points in each one (who can forget he had 3rd in Valencia on the plate if not for idiotic manoeuvre on Lewis with 2 laps to go?). As he scored 45 in the end, anyone can clearly see there it wasn't difficult at all to score more than 100 points in Williams.
It's not a big secret McLaren, Williams, Lotus and Sauber were wasted either by reliability problems, slow driver or drivers making tons of mistakes.
To finish first, you first must finish. End of story.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
I fucking called it
(not really "calling", but it's clear that Boullier reads GAF)
If not, I might join you doing Spa/Monza. Seriously.
Maybe we can even plan it in Melbourne
Wahahaha that's fucking brilliant
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Please please please please please please please! It really does sound too good to be true.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
If only he has a PayPal account I was ready to put 10
I'm considering doing this and travelling Europe a bit in between.
Mastah
Member
Yeah, and? Discussion was about how much of a potential Williams had this year. Maldonado can finish first, while Senna can only finish, that's major difference. Williams are racers, they won't settle for someone, who brings car home in 10th place and is happy about it, eventhough it was possible to fight for podium. Gerard Lopez from Lotus said it the best at the beginning of this year:
Bruno Senna - cruise and collect, happy no matter what.
It would be reveal how much overrated Kobayashi is, but hopefully Lotus will give a final chance to Grosjean. They should sign him for 10 first races and if there still wouldn't be any improvement in his racecraft, then goodbye. Such talent shouldn't be wasted, but equally if he can't utilise it in the right way, then it's his fault only.
Myoclonic Jerk
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More on Koba and Lotus.
New team boss??
Full translated article from Kulta
Make it happen
New team boss??
Full translated article from Kulta
Make it happen
Foliorum Viridum
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This has to be the top 3 otherwise you're stupid.
Valencia and Abu having two of the best races is mental.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
Abu Dhabi without a doubt, no in terms of the tension because I can't remember being so nervous, I wasn't the same in the delivery room with my wife I swear lol, but the final result of course.
Brasil obviously was amazing. Also Hungaroring and Bahrain for me for obvious reasons.
So many good races this year to be honest. Spa was good also
Myoclonic Jerk
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JV? Mika Hakkinen, Schumi?
EDIT: If Bernie is going to buy the team. mmmm... Bernie feels sorry for his stance against his long time friend Max. Could we see Mad Max as a team principal? lol
With the 5 mil Total paying for him to drive I think so many backmarkers will want to hire him. I think he needs a year or two in a backmarker team to learn how to drive a bit then gets promoted to one of the big teams
Even if i do like a lot KK it would be way much too cruel of Lotus to not sign Grosjean again for next year, I don't even understand why they haven't still, it put way too much pressure on him on the last quarter of the season forcing him to score shitty points and staying behind Raikkonen (those 7th 8th and 9th rank in the last few races, "Bruno Senna style")
After Hungary (11th GP) it was Raikko 102 and Grosjean 77 with Grosjean forced to retire at European GP, and it's worth mentionning that if Lotus hadn't screwed up his pitstop he would have had a chance of winning the Bahrein GP.
Belgian GP was the turning point for him, sure he screwed up, but as it was said previously on the thread he was mostly penalized because of the consequences of his mistake rather than the intent behind the mistake itself.
Following this it was "hey ANY mistake again and we KICK YOUR ASS FOR MORE THAN ONE GP this time", putting that much pressure on him he kind of lost it and it was not exciting anymore watching him race (and it must have been the same for himself too) while everyone forgot about Perez and Maldonado fuck it up over and over again.
Tldr : He proved he was fast, as much as Raikkonen if not more, second half of the season been shit for him but overall his season was probably as good as... Massa, just that the good half was the first for him meanwhile it was the second for Massa.
(I shouldn't be writing that much, i'm not confident enough in my english skill yet)
After Hungary (11th GP) it was Raikko 102 and Grosjean 77 with Grosjean forced to retire at European GP, and it's worth mentionning that if Lotus hadn't screwed up his pitstop he would have had a chance of winning the Bahrein GP.
Belgian GP was the turning point for him, sure he screwed up, but as it was said previously on the thread he was mostly penalized because of the consequences of his mistake rather than the intent behind the mistake itself.
Following this it was "hey ANY mistake again and we KICK YOUR ASS FOR MORE THAN ONE GP this time", putting that much pressure on him he kind of lost it and it was not exciting anymore watching him race (and it must have been the same for himself too) while everyone forgot about Perez and Maldonado fuck it up over and over again.
Tldr : He proved he was fast, as much as Raikkonen if not more, second half of the season been shit for him but overall his season was probably as good as... Massa, just that the good half was the first for him meanwhile it was the second for Massa.
(I shouldn't be writing that much, i'm not confident enough in my english skill yet
)criesofthepast
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wtf does this even mean? Fighting what championship? I thought for a second Ferrari were challenging the flag controversy when I woke up this morning and read this. Alonso's philosophical ramblings confuse me sometimes.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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wtf does this even mean?
That you don't know what today's date is, perhaps?
Wax Free Vanilla
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criesofthepast
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Ugh. lol. Dude why is this at the top of my newsfeed? Fucking Facebook. I'm new to using Facebook so don't know how the news feed works apparently. :\
This post is above posts made today even. Does it get bumped every time someone makes a comment or like? Honest question. Forgive my stupidity.
Melbourne. Because I was there.
So fuck you.
Fuck it, we should do something like this. Going by myself (or taking a punt on whether other people might go to even one of the races) would be largely uninteresting, but if there are a few GAFfers who would be out of their comfort zone with me, it'd make the leap a bit easier! And organising tickets in the same areas (should we choose allocated seats) would be beneficial, too.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Too much pressure? welcome to F1. If you can't handle pressure you can fuck off..
Even Alan Prost said that Grosjean fucked up and he ended his season on a low, and it's up to Lotus to choose reliability or speed. No one is defending him except Lotus btw
F1 drivers need to be fast, consistent and able to handle pressure. The later is very very important for any team that could fight for wins, and Lotus is one of those teams.
Gros is a GP2 champion, I've heard he also dominated, so pressure is not the issue here I would say, it's just sheer stupidity. First I thought it was arrogance but he simply has no awareness of his surroundings. He almost collected Kimi when his fron wing was stuck behind his car.
Speed means nothing if you can't bring the car home. Just ask Prupose, even that ugly-face is learning, but not Crashjean.
That being said, I'm sure he will get re-signed for next year, I'm just hoping that he doesn't
Considering the money problems Lotus has had I doubt they will go with Kobi. They need someone who they can market and bring in some sponsor money. There are few Brazilian drivers that seem to have good skills and some sponsor money.
Myoclonic Jerk
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You never know what's happening behind the scenes now. Few millions is not a bg deal in terms of sponsorship and especially investments. Maybe they're discussing selling part of the team to a Japanese investor? Maybe Honda will want to come back with a decent team and start working on the V6's?
So many maybes so we can't discard any theory or possibility at this point. I really really hope Grosjean gets the boot, every linked driver to his seat is more interesting so far. Kova, Koba, Kubica
wait.. three Ks? OMG!
I was just offering counter maybe for "maybe Lotus will get kobi". There is always room for speculation. But since there isn't big demand for F1 in Japan (Kobi's win came too late), big boys got owned badly last time they were around and they managed to piss off their sponsors at same time. Money talks and while I like Kobi he isn't kind driver that you can't replace, with someone who actually brings in the money.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Shaneus, wna do a stop @ amersterdam after Spa?
Milan is boring as hell, I was there in 2008, and there won't be enough days to go down to Rome inbetween races
Milan is boring as hell, I was there in 2008, and there won't be enough days to go down to Rome inbetween races
Who? Besides Senna, I see no other brazilian driver in the same situation. Maybe Felipe Nasr, but he's staying in GP2 for 2013 before trying to enter the F1. Both Senna and Nasr are funded by the billionaire Eike Batista, but it's not that much, actually. Senna's biggest sponsor is actually an american company called Procter & Gamble.
Luiz Razia is one of the hottest name at the moment and he has deep pockets. If he doesn't drive in 2013 then he will drive in 2014. Not to mention he competed in the Young Driver test for Lotus few years back.
Both Fabio Gamberini and Felipe Nasr already have some sponsors lined up but since they are so young I don't think they will drive next year, at least not in lotus. Now that it seems Massa will be out sooner or later I think there is even more chances of new young Braz driver in F1.
edit. they will keep crashjean, probably.
Razia drove really really well in GP2 this year, and I really want to see him with a seat in the F1 next year. The problem is that he's been for a while on the GP2 Series, so that can depreciate his image. He drove on the young driver test for Force India and Toro Rosso this year too, and was the backup driver for the ex-green Lotus (now Catherham). But I really don't know anything about big sponsors for him. Felipe Nasr, on the other hand, have some, like OGX and Banco do Brasil.
About Fabio Gamberini, I really don't know anything about him, haha.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Is there anyway we can chip in? I'm serious!
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
Two champs doing the tango
Just imagine next year Grosjean and Hamilton in the same situation?
I emailed the site a couple days ago and asked if there was an English version or way to submit money but I haven't heard back.
Myoclonic Jerk
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That's frustrating, I'm sure he can double that amount if only there was some other means to pay and an english version of his site.
Maybe we should email autosport or another famous website and ask for that? I'm sure they would be able to help
Don't you mean Koba and Hamilton?
Hopefully they sort something out for the rest of us, I wouldn't mind donating a few £ for a guy I've loved watching these past few years
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