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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT2| Louder Than Formula E
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theignoramus
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I like this op-ed.
http://www.formula1blog.com/f1-news/horner-f1-should-abort-v6-engines-go-back-to-v8s/F1blogdotcom said:
Well, while it is incredibly shortsighted, it also makes sense for Bernie. He's pretty fucking old right now, and there's no way he'll see a dime from the advantage that comes with kids today growing up successfully in a couple of decades and having huge spending power. He's not interested in building for the future because F1 is his empire and he's only interested in the now. He's a selfish prick!
Pizza Luigi
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In regards to the alcohol discussion, in my opinion if they ban alcohol sponsorships they also should ban telecom provider sponsorships. Texting/Calling while driving is fucking irresponsible.
Yeah, pretty much. There were all sorts of rumours about Sauber's future this time last year.
Regarding alcohol sponsorship in F1, I think that it is probably one of the least offensive vices which is being promoted. Mainly because it opens up opportunities for stuff like this:
http://www.jointhepact.com/global/m/global.html
F1 is mostly a sport watched by adults. People are going to drink whether you advertise to them or not. The important message is responsibility and using famous people who fans admire to spread the word. Pulling alcohol sponsorship completely from something like F1 because of the danger of associating drinking with driver seems to me like the fallacy in forms of sexual education which only want to talk about abstinence instead of protection.
http://www.jointhepact.com/global/m/global.html
F1 is mostly a sport watched by adults. People are going to drink whether you advertise to them or not. The important message is responsibility and using famous people who fans admire to spread the word. Pulling alcohol sponsorship completely from something like F1 because of the danger of associating drinking with driver seems to me like the fallacy in forms of sexual education which only want to talk about abstinence instead of protection.
Honestly think Bernies dumb comments are just calculated about that alcohol advertisement that may not be allowed. He may try to get away with it if he says he's not aiming to a younger audience.
yooooooo, Pedro de la Rosa is in?! SIGN ME THE HELL UP.
yooooooo, Pedro de la Rosa is in?! SIGN ME THE HELL UP.
And Lotus, who were in a terrible place. Not to mention the car manufacturer Marussia folding last year.
brotkasten
Member
Pretty much. I still don't see how advertising in a sport like this could have an influence like that on the viewers or fans (especially if you think about the viewers that Bernie has in mind). Which is why the general tobacco ban never made sense to me either. Do adults really go out and start smoking or switch to a specific brand to support their team?
It would be a bit different, if the companies would constantly send some kind of message with their sponsorship on the cars, but that didn't happen (at least as far as I remember).
Also, because I always liked it, here's some older banner from McLaren sponsor Johnnie Walker.
In that case, they're pretty clear on this and they still do it, as far as I know.
e: It took me too long to finish my post, but I'm glad that Duckroll beat me to it in regards of the JW ads.
The smoking ban is more complicated I think. It has to do with F1 being an international sport, and in many countries tobacco advertising is heavily limited or outright banned. So you can't really take on sponsors when you can't promise them the level of marketing they would like.
brotkasten
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That obviously makes sense now, but was this the case during the time of the ban in the then biggest markets for F1? I really don't remember it anymore, since it's been so long.
That's a good question. I don't really remember either, and I wasn't even paying attention to stuff like this back then. In general though, I feel that the tobacco industry has always been shunned more than the alcohol industry, and there a ton of reasons which justify that.
How incredibly dumb, ignorant and/or uninformed!
Without the engine change, neither Mercedes, nor Renault would still be there, and Honda wouldn´t have returned. Just imagine F1 with all teams on Cosworths trying to compete with Ferrari...
If the guy thinks the "system seemed stable in 2013" he needs to inform himself.
zomgbbqftw
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The problem wasn't moving to the V6T Hybrid, it was not putting in place a spending and purchase price cap and bending to the will of Mercedes who threatened to leave if they weren't allowed to spend as much as they pleased. Mercedes added a massive upwards spending pressure and that has led to massively inflated engine costs (3-4x higher than the V8 as you well know) and now massive financial issues in the middle of the grid. As I said before, I love that Lewis is at a team that has delivered a WDC winning car, but the cost to the sport is too high, F1 with £30m engines is not sustainable and Mercedes are the root cause of that high cost, whether you want to admit or not. In trying to ensure success this season and next, Mercedes adopted a beggar-thy-neighbour R&D policy and now the sport is going to end up with 14/16 cars on the grid after Sauber or FI (or both) fold.
People have corrected you twice before after posting something like this. Take the advice from your usertag.
nature boy
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Goldrusher
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Psychotext
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Who is the human?
Bernie, I hate you. But you just made me alol.
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/1...less-for-f1-to-a-chase-a-new-younger-audience
http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/1...less-for-f1-to-a-chase-a-new-younger-audience
Stoffel Vandoorne.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Hilariously cretinous.
Nicktendo86
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I'll just copy and paste what I think about Bernie from a post I made on the autosport forum as I cannot be bothered to type it again:
Bernie is not stupid. He knows exactly what he is saying.
They problem is he doesn't give a damn about the long term future of the sport. Why should he? He is in his 80's, must know that he doesn't have that many more years left to live so is just making sure he can milk the sport for all it's worth.
Of course kids are the future of F1, if they can't buy a Rolex today they may be able to later when they are old enough and sponsors will want to continually attract new people to their brands. It is just common sense. But Bernie doesn't give a shit about tomorrow, he wants his money today while he can still spend it.
He is a cancer on this sport. A tumour. I never wish ill of anyone but the day he kicks the bucket I will be glad.
Bernie is not stupid. He knows exactly what he is saying.
They problem is he doesn't give a damn about the long term future of the sport. Why should he? He is in his 80's, must know that he doesn't have that many more years left to live so is just making sure he can milk the sport for all it's worth.
Of course kids are the future of F1, if they can't buy a Rolex today they may be able to later when they are old enough and sponsors will want to continually attract new people to their brands. It is just common sense. But Bernie doesn't give a shit about tomorrow, he wants his money today while he can still spend it.
He is a cancer on this sport. A tumour. I never wish ill of anyone but the day he kicks the bucket I will be glad.
Good read, thanks for linking.
10 hours and around 480k£ left to collect, will Caterham make it 
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Nicktendo86
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Rumours that the Honda engine has pass with nontechnical issues so far. By default sounds better than the Renault at this stage!
Diablo Rosso
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Bernie should go and ask his pensioner friends how many of them drink Red Bull.
brotkasten
Member
How I wish it was Marussia and not Caterham. Is Kobayashi at least confirmed?
Same here.
Unless they score points (unlikely) it looks like they'll still finish last in the WCC.
Can you imagine if Caterham gives the spot to a rookie and when he's being lapped he crashes against Nico or Lewis?
Oh boy...
"... And they text me saying if I pay this amount, they'll put Nelson Piquet Jr. in one of their cars for the last race".
That would be the perfect end to this silly season.
Nicktendo86
Member
Looks like very basic early season spec with gills for extra cooling. Sounds like the engine didn't blow up and everything worked so good start so far!
In more interesting news: The Putrajaya ePrix will be available to watch on the Formula E website and in the official app for free.
Also have this picture.
Also have this picture.
theignoramus
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It would probably be one team with a 1-2 seconds a lap advantage over everyone else, two teams fighting for podiums, then scraps for the rest.
Oh wait, that sounds familiar.
As for the current formula, Ferrari wasnt enthusiastic about these engines to begin with. I believe in 5-6 years time, if they are nowhere, they will throw their weight around and push for a regulation change, as they did the last time they wanted an end to the turbo cycle.
Wax Free Vanilla
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warms the cockles, but it's missing the powered by Honda decal and an orange livery
McLaren going all Spanish?
Omnicorse says Telefonica will be the new title sponsor and the driver line up will be Alonso & Sainz Jr, if confirmed McLaren are dead to me, not even Honda returning can keep me watching this F1 muck.
Myoclonic Jerk
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LOL
Nicktendo86
Member
The sainz Jr part has already been rubbished so my hunch is the whole article is bollocks.warms the cockles, but it's missing the powered by Honda decal and an orange livery
McLaren going all Spanish?
Omnicorse says Telefonica will be the new title sponsor and the driver line up will be Alonso & Sainz Jr, if confirmed McLaren are dead to me, not even Honda returning can keep me watching this F1 muck.
BBC says the 'filming day' went well. Car stopped once on track but they got it running again immediately. They are shippungbthe car out to Abu Dhabi for the two day test.
