With the elevation change and the seemingly heavier rain towards the eastern end of the track I believe a river formed across the point before the turn there causing both cars to aquaplane.
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With the elevation change and the seemingly heavier rain towards the eastern end of the track I believe a river formed across the point before the turn there causing both cars to aquaplane.
Mohonky
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Theres been a discussion on that for awhile now, that Ferrari mock up was a damn fine looking beast too, this may speed things up.
But what happens in the event of a bad accident or fire and the driver needs to get out quickly? Its bit of a double edge sword.
there is probably but they don't show heavy accidents anymore or so the german commentators said.
Myoclonic Jerk
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I posted about it in the OT - http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=132949862&posted=1#post132949862
I hope it's not against the forum rules
I hope it's not against the forum rules
Shanks D Zoro
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well this picture was the first I saw and made me sick to my stomach.
https://s.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/l_7WCYeYYlsComfHCpT9FQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_GB/Sports/Eurosport/1326546-28524494-640-360.jpg
the car looks absolutely crushed.
Because hindsight is always 20/20.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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Heidfeld had a very close call along these lines in the inaugural Formula E race as well.
The FIA have been evaluating it for years now with all sorts of tests. I think it's inevitable at some point once the right solution is found, but there seems to be no easy fix.
Presumably the cockpit would have a few redundant quick release features in case of emergency. Heck, maybe even have explosive bolts so you could just blow it off if you really need to. All these systems could malfunction, of course, so you'll never find a 100% perfect solution in all cases. Best you can do is plan for what you know and correct new problems as they come.
I don't think it would be a problem to make the cockpit come off easily by a driver or marshal when needed.
what do you do if the car is flipped?? that's the biggest argument against it. There is really no easy way to make something good enough so it can protect the driver in a high speed crash and also be able to evacuate the car when it's flipped
As soon as I saw the tractor was in an existing crash site I was concerned as to why the race was continuing, albeit under yellows. A whole lap later the Bianchi incident happened
They did a test with a cage construction, but that's mostly to prevent hits from loose tires. Would probably not have helped Massa, de Villota, or Bianchi.
A closed cockpit like LMP1 perhaps? Dunno if that can withstand hitting the edge of a recovery vehicle.
EDIT: On second thought, I think that might have helped de Villota and Bianchi. As well as Henry Surtees' fatal accident. Of course they major thing against this is how it obstructs the driver's view.
Mohonky
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That assumes that it is in working order after impact, otherwise it could potentially become another obstacle to overcome to get to the driver if it is damaged or dislodged which is what my concern would be.
Conversely it could also become another object that is forcibly driven into the drivers head.
frontieruk
Member
I'd say they have footage, they just didn't cut to it live or release it, instead they'll use it for interval reviews of procedures.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
I think the cars are safe enough, it's just the safety measure that have to be enhanced even more.
But what do I know!
Any updates on Jules?
But what do I know!
Any updates on Jules?
French media says he's in critical condition, whatever that means...
In this case the rollbar in the cockpit would have at least eaten some of the impact that went straight into Jules.
These are no doubt major problems but I'm sure that with all the money and clever people in F1 they would be able to find solutions.
that's depressing.. surely as a steward he saw the accident..
Shit it's what we feared.
I think only 3 were on full wets.
Sure but I believe within the full tweets he also hashtagged MTV3 (which I believe is the Finnish broadcaster), considering Salo is a Finn he probably stated it against MTV3
I don't doubt Mika Salo, but it's just that it's so easy for misinformation to spread by people who don't have first-hand information.
They have told us more than enough. Any medical questions are the business of Jules' family and theirs only until and if they choose to share them.
As for the incident itself there will no doubt be an investigation and any information shared when it's done.
The media is over this as vultures as usual. Going for quotes from anyone that they can find and then tweeting it. Shameful.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
This is really hard. I'll try to stay away from my laptop for a while.. I really hope to come back to find some positive news
Hardly. It is newsworthy. There aren't many things more newsworthy that his current health status.
Also everybody wonders how this could have happened. You can pretend you are more holy than Jesus Christ. I wan't to know what happened and if he is going to be ok. And I want to hear it as soon as possible. I don't think that makes me a vulture
No difference.
We had close encounters like this in the past like Brazil 2003 with Schumi, and I believe Nurburgring in 2008? Both were pretty wet also.
PdotMichael
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No comment from Charlie Whiting why he didn't deploy the safety car?
Because he didn't have a crystal ball and felt double waved yellows was adequate.
Can we not do this, it was an accident.
You do realize that this happens literally a minimum of 20 times every race weekend.
Effectively this would result in races that are more than 40% safety car.
Currently safety cars are being called in if they can't get the stranded car out of the way in a fast or safe manner. Sutil's car was almost behind the barriers within 90 seconds with double waved yellow flags...
PdotMichael
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Looking at the fact that he likes to deploy the safety car for trivial reasons he did a pretty shit job here. Especially the accident happened in one of the most dangerous parts of the circuit.
Won't hear anything for some time I'd imagine. Double waved yellows are often used in situations where a relatively undamaged car can be moved quickly.
nature boy
Member
Must have missed it, but where did they crash?
And surely there were double yellows waived?
And surely there were double yellows waived?
aspiegamer
Member
The problem is hitting the grass and losing grip while on that trajectory. Were it paved and thus just running wide there you could recover the car the same way they added some pavement to turn 1 and 130R. Just a thought. Not trying to claim hindsight here. One reason I respect this track so much is because of the gravel traps but since this is just below the crest of the track the gravel doesn't actually do much even in the best of circumstances.
I'd argue it'd be better to pave this one area to let cars recover or spin out instead. It's a problem quite unique to just this corner.
I'm not trying to assign blame or anything. Just saying that that's a common spot to run off at that's just an inch off the normal racing line. It could happen at any speed. It's just how you're drilled to drive that part of the track. A similar thing happens at the entry to spoon.
That's a pretty standard/generic spot for a car to run off with an oft-used station right there with hardware for quick recoveries. It's certainly not a spot that would normally scream "instant safety car if there's an off at this corner". Double-yellow waved + E-marshal boxes + car HUD warnings + team radio in 99.99999% of cases covers it just fine. Even with SC deployed that doesn't necessarily prevent this.
http://i.imgur.com/DXvxtjV.jpg
That's the exit of turn 7/Dunlop corner @ marshal station 12.
shit.
Wax Free Vanilla
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Sutil's incident didn't need a safety car, his car was nearly out of the way under double yellows. Just pure bad luck or driver error for Jules, I hope he pulls through but those photos look nasty
