The whole paycut debate has been entire driven by fans as far as I've seen.
Top teams don't give top drivers pay cuts in any sport.
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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT2| Louder Than Formula E
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The whole paycut debate has been entire driven by fans as far as I've seen.
Top teams don't give top drivers pay cuts in any sport.
Well duh, they negotiated a contract, with a price in order to get this guy to make them world champion.
They are world champion.
So lets cut the guy's pay and force him out to get this other guy that in the previous 1:1 confrontation they had on equal ground, lost to him.
Yep, makes total sense to me.
massivekettle
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Unless you are seriously underperforming and were somewhat overpaid (e.g., Kimi Raikkonen).
brotkasten
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It's funny with Kimi. He was certainly underpaid at Lotus and is clearly overpaid at Ferrari (barely doing better than Massa). Maybe he should've gone to McLaren instead.
This season Hamilton has outclassed Rosberg on race pace, defending and overtaking, delivering wins, and is way ahead on fuel consumption (could be important factor when the other teams catches up).
Mercedes and Hamilton is a winning combination, much like Red Bull and Vettel were previous seasons. It would be surprising if either party decides to end that relationship.
Mercedes and Hamilton is a winning combination, much like Red Bull and Vettel were previous seasons. It would be surprising if either party decides to end that relationship.
Dutch Gronk
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Vettel will save us from evil!
German pls!
German pls!
brotkasten
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Someone sure likes to talk.
New Ferrari boss vows to take risks
"We've got to kick some ass and we've got to do it quickly," Marchionne explained in an interview with Autocar magazine. "It takes what it takes. We might screw up, but we've got nothing to lose, right? Let's risk something."
Marchionne described Ferrari's Italian Grand Prix showing, which yielded just two points, as the turning point.
"I keep getting reminded that racing is not a science. And then I go to Monza and see that the first six cars are not Ferrari or powered by a Ferrari engine, and my blood pressure just popped," added the 62-year-old.
While Marchionne has bold plans for the road car division, he says F1 success is his "main objective".
"A non-winning Ferrari on the Formula 1 track is not Ferrari," Marchionne went on to comment. I can live with periods of bad luck, but it cannot become a structural element of the brand."
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/317746/new-ferrari-boss-vows-to-take-risks/
I wonder if he knows about the wind tunnel.
New Ferrari boss vows to take risks
"We've got to kick some ass and we've got to do it quickly," Marchionne explained in an interview with Autocar magazine. "It takes what it takes. We might screw up, but we've got nothing to lose, right? Let's risk something."
Marchionne described Ferrari's Italian Grand Prix showing, which yielded just two points, as the turning point.
"I keep getting reminded that racing is not a science. And then I go to Monza and see that the first six cars are not Ferrari or powered by a Ferrari engine, and my blood pressure just popped," added the 62-year-old.
While Marchionne has bold plans for the road car division, he says F1 success is his "main objective".
"A non-winning Ferrari on the Formula 1 track is not Ferrari," Marchionne went on to comment. I can live with periods of bad luck, but it cannot become a structural element of the brand."
http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/317746/new-ferrari-boss-vows-to-take-risks/
I wonder if he knows about the wind tunnel.
Myoclonic Jerk
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I have a feeling hat starting next race Kimi will perform well
I've ate so much crow this season I don't give a shit anymore
So he's preparing to kick his own ass? Lol.
Myoclonic Jerk
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lol..
secret, super duper cool source of mine who confirmed to me some time back ALonso's departure has told me this.
- Ferrari is lobbying like crazy to lift the engine freeze. It became their obsession, and it's the focus of all the top guys and they're applying pressure on everyone they can
- Mercedes knows it's gonna happen whether they want to or not, but they're buying as much time as possible and delay the inevitable decision to lift the ban so that Renault and Ferrari don't have enough time to develop new engines until at least mid next year which almost guarantees that Mercedes will dominate next year's championship
- Ferrari already have deployed their staff to work on two projects a month before LdM got fired. !) enhancing the current engine under the current rules. 2) working on a completely new engine in assumption that the ban has been lifted. So Ferrari are ready both ways and that's why they needed a major budget increase
In conclusion, Ferrari are banking on getting the engine freeze lifted. Otherwise they're fucked
so next year can actually be, the one for Ferrari
Ferrari and Renault are also using the argument of Honda having free reign during this year while they are stuck with their design decisions. Some people believe it's just a smoke screen to make Mercedes believe that the Honda engine is actually good and a threat for them too, so that Mercedes agrees to unfreeze the restrictions while others are actually believing what Ron Dennis and Helmut Marko are saying about Honda engine potential for 2015.
After I heard Niki Lauda speak in Russia, I'm convinced Mercedes are not afraid of Honda...
Hey he sounds exactly like Luca di Montezemelo. Ferrari is back!!!
Just hire Ross Brawn and let him do anything he wants. Don't talk, don't interfere, give him a big budget and 3 years and you will be fine in 2017.
After I heard Niki Lauda speak in Russia, I'm convinced Mercedes are not afraid of Honda...
Hey he sounds exactly like Luca di Montezemelo. Ferrari is back!!!
Just hire Ross Brawn and let him do anything he wants. Don't talk, don't interfere, give him a big budget and 3 years and you will be fine in 2017.
I thought Ross already declined the job due to health reasons.
I really don't understand why Alonso is leaving Ferrari. I can only imagine that it has to do with personal animosities with the new leadership.
It's true that Ferrari did not build the best car over the last years, but he was a close contender for the championship twice, and Ferrari is still the most promising option performance-wise out there for him, given that Mercedes and Red Bull are set for 2015.
It's true that Ferrari did not build the best car over the last years, but he was a close contender for the championship twice, and Ferrari is still the most promising option performance-wise out there for him, given that Mercedes and Red Bull are set for 2015.
According to LdM
Wants something new, doesn't have confidence Ferrari can build a car to compete for championships. I agree with you though. I think he may be leaning towards a year off. I don't see McLaren as good fit for winning next year.
From all I heard it´ll be a very stony way back into F1.
Holy shit, THAT is the definition of sexy.
All the engine talk is again forgetting that 92% of the power unit by weight can be changed for next season! They've all been testing upgrades all year, just didn't need to supply everyone else with parts.
Even if the in season ban doesn't get lifted, the Ferrari and Renault engines will be almost entirely reworked for next season. What will be their excuse if they are still shit?
Even if the in season ban doesn't get lifted, the Ferrari and Renault engines will be almost entirely reworked for next season. What will be their excuse if they are still shit?
Simple, Ferrari has given out the goal to win the championship in three years. That's two years of ground work. Alonso wants to win races, not do the work so someone else can get the title. I think he'll end up at Lotus, knowing he will be at least competitive with the engine. And if Honda ends up being better he'll go there the year after that.
fu3lfr3nzy
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What? Lotus couldnt even afford to pay Kimi's salary last year, and theyre having bigger financial issues this year like Caterham. No way they can afford a guy like Alonso.
Also, a lot of key personnel have already jumped ship (Allison for one) so even with a Merc engine, they're not gonna be competitive like the past few years.
Nicktendo86
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Wonderful. McLaren have to get the Marlborough livery out next year, even if the car is shit I will jizz so hard.
Yet Lotus is allowed the black & gold livery? Hmm
It was definitely the best car post-Silverstone. Don't forget the RBR wasn't great at every track that year. RBR, McLaren, and Ferrari were trading "our car suits this track best" all year long, but Fernando's Ferrari scored the most points.
It was definitely the best car post-Silverstone. Don't forget the RBR wasn't great at every track that year. RBR, McLaren, and Ferrari were trading "our car suits this track best" all year long, but Fernando's Ferrari scored the most points.
Nicktendo86
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Williams also ran a Rothmans style livery last season as well remember.
Can't see why McLaren can't have a white and orange livery but make the lines rounded rather than the Marlborough shape.
For Ferrari? ERS for sure
I can see both of them copying Mercedes design. Mercedes will also change some aspects of their engine, but compared to other manufacturers, they have whole more or less troublesome season behind them which means only upgrading of working platform and making it better.
See here, a proper nose. This actually looks like a F1 car, it's been years since we've seen one that didn't have weird noses or shitty bumps in the middle. So pretty. I miss this.
Toto
Mattiacci
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116382
And looks like Mercedes will veto 2015 unfreeze but they are ready to negotiate for 2016 onwards.
What can teams modify in their engines (.pdf) --> last page
Mattiacci
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116382
And looks like Mercedes will veto 2015 unfreeze but they are ready to negotiate for 2016 onwards.
What can teams modify in their engines (.pdf) --> last page
It'd be interesting when the entire F1 grid comprises of only Ferrari.
brotkasten
Member
Times have changed.
The only thing that changed is the rules, I still see the same teams around today than I did 20 years ago, some might have changed names or changed hands, but all in all we're pretty much seeing the exact same thing as in the 90s, a few privately owned team that partner with manufacturers, a few low-budget teams at the bottom and some factory teams.
I see no proof of any kind of significant change in Formula 1 that are a result of limiting the budget. We used to have Simtek's, Lola's and Minardi's where we now have Marussia's and Caterham's. We had Jordan GP, Sauber and Prost and now we have Sauber, Lotus, Force India and Torro Rosso. I could go on, but you catch my drift.
I'm all for cutting back on costs, but I don't see any real proof that a budget ceiling is needed or has improved or saved the sport.
Osiris
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We have those mid-tier and lower tier teams on the grid still because of the cost-cutting measures, not in spite of them.
Without the cost-cutting measures Brawn GP could never have arose out of the Honda retreat from F1, and Mercedes would probably not be on the grid, without cost-cutting Force India would be long gone, Sauber and Williams would probably be in trouble and neither Marussia or Caterham would be on the grid.
The only reason smaller teams managed before the cost cutting was a rich person would buy up a team, rebrand it, run it for 1-2 years and then get the holy hell out of dodge selling it on quickly because the losses/costs we're so immense, this could not continue.
The FIA did not push cost cutting onto the teams, the teams collectively pushed it on the FIA, not unanimously but close enough, the sport was under severe threat and the FIA recognised this.
Without the cost-cutting measures Brawn GP could never have arose out of the Honda retreat from F1, and Mercedes would probably not be on the grid, without cost-cutting Force India would be long gone, Sauber and Williams would probably be in trouble and neither Marussia or Caterham would be on the grid.
The only reason smaller teams managed before the cost cutting was a rich person would buy up a team, rebrand it, run it for 1-2 years and then get the holy hell out of dodge selling it on quickly because the losses/costs we're so immense, this could not continue.
The FIA did not push cost cutting onto the teams, the teams collectively pushed it on the FIA, not unanimously but close enough, the sport was under severe threat and the FIA recognised this.
nature boy
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Could a german speaker translate the main points of this article? Google translate is messing up the translation a little bit:
http://www.speedweek.com/formel1/ne...-Fernando-Alonso-wird-Honda-Angestellter.html
http://www.speedweek.com/formel1/ne...-Fernando-Alonso-wird-Honda-Angestellter.html
Honda personally contracted Alonso, Honda wants to be champion within three years, Honda wants to own at least the 25% share of Ron Dennis, will then replace Dennis by someone from Honda, speculate that Gerhard Berger could be that person, even though he denied. Says Prost is not loved by Honda and Senna is dead and Berger is very much loved by the Japanese Honda guys and perfect for the job. Concludes by saying if McLaren isn't at the top of the constructors championship by seasons end Honda is allowed to partner with other teams (unclear if this is about 2015 or by 2017, gonna assume the latter given the 3-year window mentioned earlier).
nature boy
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Thanks guys.
Looks like a mini takeover by Honda.
Looks like a mini takeover by Honda.
no they need a wind tunnel
Wax Free Vanilla
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honda at the japanese gp said they have no wish to buy into or pump money into mclaren, but all is not well, boullier said there could be a leadership change at mclaren before the winter.
so this ronbo investment thing must be true, wasn't he supposed to be buying back 47% of shares from the other two share holders? there's been no further news on this so his chinese mates must have left him in limbo, he'll be forced out of all f1 related operations.
alonso will win after playing the long game and ronbo will be on suicide watch.
so this ronbo investment thing must be true, wasn't he supposed to be buying back 47% of shares from the other two share holders? there's been no further news on this so his chinese mates must have left him in limbo, he'll be forced out of all f1 related operations.
alonso will win after playing the long game and ronbo will be on suicide watch.