Adam Scott Aukerman
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It's nonsense. Don't forget that Renault threatened to quit F1 if it didn't ditch V8 engines.
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The Formula 1 2014 Season |OT2| Louder Than Formula E
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It's nonsense. Don't forget that Renault threatened to quit F1 if it didn't ditch V8 engines.
nature boy
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Well Mercedes are acting like dicks because first they agree to something and then they backtrack and say no, not because they want to freeze the PUs.
And there was never an aero freeze. Several times Red Bull had some of their stuff banned.
That's when they were winning and were confident they would have a good PU - so much so that they charge the most for their PUs.
Not so sure they're happy now. Between a V6 PU and winning titles which one would they prefer?
V8s and V10s on the grid would be incredibly stupid. Part of the V6 sell job was that it's a progressive move. Well, stay progressive. Going back on the engine change just shows how poorly considered the original decision was.
However, there is a ton of money that's already been invested in this. I know it's funny to say Merc is gumming up the works on this matter, but what legitimate incentive do they have to open the engines to revision? Everyone signed up to the same formula. Merc spent a ton of money doing their research and prep, and came up with a superior solution. I doubt they're the ones who pushed for the engine freeze in the first place. That sounds like another boneheaded Ecclestone/Mosely move made in the name of "cost-cutting." Why should they let their opponents catch up in a sport that's about outpacing the competition?
The fact is this. There shouldn't be engine freezes and other artificial limiters in a formula series like this. This is the pinnacle of motorsports. The cars and drivers need to be pushed to their limits. Freezing different engines means you're locking in an imbalance. What if Renault didn't have Red Bull? Then that engine would never earn points. Who could've thought a freeze was a good idea for competition anyway? Oh yeah, Max and Bernie. I don't know how Merc is getting the blame for a clearly uncompetitive rule created by the sport's promoters. PEACE.
However, there is a ton of money that's already been invested in this. I know it's funny to say Merc is gumming up the works on this matter, but what legitimate incentive do they have to open the engines to revision? Everyone signed up to the same formula. Merc spent a ton of money doing their research and prep, and came up with a superior solution. I doubt they're the ones who pushed for the engine freeze in the first place. That sounds like another boneheaded Ecclestone/Mosely move made in the name of "cost-cutting." Why should they let their opponents catch up in a sport that's about outpacing the competition?
The fact is this. There shouldn't be engine freezes and other artificial limiters in a formula series like this. This is the pinnacle of motorsports. The cars and drivers need to be pushed to their limits. Freezing different engines means you're locking in an imbalance. What if Renault didn't have Red Bull? Then that engine would never earn points. Who could've thought a freeze was a good idea for competition anyway? Oh yeah, Max and Bernie. I don't know how Merc is getting the blame for a clearly uncompetitive rule created by the sport's promoters. PEACE.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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Honestly, I've no doubt at all that it's the former.
Wax Free Vanilla
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McLaren aren't brassing, they have their biggest budget ever for 2015, and who would the sponsors want to pimp their brands in the biggest markets? Magnussen is a nobody.
Alonso and Button is the only choice for on track performance and commercial pimpage worldwide.
Ronbo is a fool if A & B aren't signed up for the next two seasons.
This is the same that we hear from Mclaren for last four seasons
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Alonso has signed with McLaren according to Autosport's sources, announcement before Abu Dhabi
Gazzetta dello Sport says Alonso and Ferrari will make a joint statement.
Gazzetta dello Sport says Alonso and Ferrari will make a joint statement.
theignoramus
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Having some decent sounding, normally aspirated engines on the grid would placate the many pissed off race promoters. And fans would gravitate towards the the class of cars that dont sound like shit.
We also need a tyre manufacturer to compete with Pirelli. Everyone remembers the shame of Indy 2005,but the tyre wars added another meaty layer of complexity and depth to the sport that alot of folks enjoyed.
Psychotext
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You'll see the meltdown from space if Hamilton has any car problems come race day.
nature boy
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I'm not so sure. One more season like this one and I'm pretty sure Renault is out of the sport.
It would be an interesting experience, but I think the promoters want ALL cars on V8, not just the back markers.
Myoclonic Jerk
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F1 solution to cost cap is easier than anyone thinks. Just cap the price wherby suppliers can charge for their engines. And let the invisible hand do it's job
Each supplier will work upon their priorities. Win in short term and make money in the longer term (given that they get guarantees that engine specs won't change for a good number of years), or make money from the get go.
Suppliers/big teams will surely object, but that's when the regulators need to enforce their decision for the "good of the sport"
But crying for cost cutting and introducing new rules every few years is hypocritical
Each supplier will work upon their priorities. Win in short term and make money in the longer term (given that they get guarantees that engine specs won't change for a good number of years), or make money from the get go.
Suppliers/big teams will surely object, but that's when the regulators need to enforce their decision for the "good of the sport"
But crying for cost cutting and introducing new rules every few years is hypocritical
I won't lie, I'd love it to happen for the reaction alone.
My girlfriend made a good point. At the podium interviews it's always the first place Mercedes being super stoked, then the second place being a baby, then the third place going being like HOLY SHIT IM ON THE PODIUM.
Ah yes, I get this from Nico too. He really seems to care what people think of him.
Nico just wants to be loved, bless him.
Ah yes, I get this from Nico too. He really seems to care what people think of him.
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I want nico to win now.....clearly hamilton is faster, but nico seems like a way more genuine guy.
RukusProvider
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For Hamilton to finish worse than 2nd, many things have to go wrong. Let's not forget this is the mercedes we're talking about.
theignoramus
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Ive never heard anyone accuse Lewis of being a phony. Ive heard all kinds of attacks on his self control, arrogance, mental discipline, etc. but never a complaint about his sincerity as a person.
Wat, Nico seems like the most fake guy on the grid!
That being said, I would love it if Nico came 1st and Danny Ric came 2nd with Hamilton somewhere below them. Mainly because the fallout on the FIA for this whole double points thing will be massive.
theignoramus
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Yup, a part of me wants this as well. Much as I love my man Lewis, if he has to be a sacrificial lamb so the sport can have its crucible moment, so be it.
brotkasten
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If Nico wins the WDC, everyone loses.
theignoramus
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Maybe, maybe not, but the FIA is sensitive to negative PR. Thats why Jean Todt got on Vettel's case when Seb (rightly) said the new engines sounded like shit. I feel as if a load of shit flung in FIA's face from fans and media will unsettle them to the point where they have a rethink about the direction they are taking the sport.
(It also helps that there seems to be an internal revolt happening as well, with mid tier teams)
The last international embarrassment the sport suffered was Indy 2005, but it was relatively easy to blame Michelin for everything and make them a scapegoat.
uhhh i REALLY don't see how you could come to that conclusion.
Rubbish... Nothing sounded dirtier than the off throttle mapped engine over-run on the V8. Such an awesomely disgusting sound. Standing on the pit straight near the first turn and hearing that whine turn into a monstrous growl without any hearing protection - sure it probably took a few years out of my hearing lifespan but it was worth it
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I just see lewis as a wannabee rapper with all his leather and chains and baseball caps and #blessed attitude, like hes trying to be the kanye of f1. In reality im pretty sure he grew up in suburban england and was pretty quiet personality wen he was a bit younger.
Nico i see as a dude who knows he lucked into f1 with his name but is doing a good job to live up to the pressure of hamilton, be a funny guy and not arrogant/ "i i deserve to win this" mentality of lewis.
In monaco, lewis on the radio "i knew you guys wouldnt pit me in" and the way he sulked from his car in hungary sealed the deal for me rooting for nico.
This could not be any further from the truth. Rosberg didn't luck onto F1, he won the GP2 title and earned his place in the sport (granted Keke helped, but Nico is here on merit).
Adam Scott Aukerman
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That happening just a couple of days after Alonso's deal at McLaren is announced would be hilarious.
Fuck this guy.
The dude is just a human being. This stuff does not read anything like Kanye West.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/21793873
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/21793873
Lewis Hamilton said:
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All im saying is it seems a bit phony coming from him and how he used to be. Hes not from some slum in chicago hes from Hertfordshire. Plus i think this crap, his entourage, dogs that he obsesses over and girl issues etc are part of the reason he hasnt won a title for ages because he lost oficus on f1.
Vivalaraza
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I have a hard time understanding what you're trying to say. Are you saying that only people from "some slum in Chicago" would like rap music and wear bling? Are we living in the same world? Lol.
I'm a massive Rosberg fan since his Williams years, and I would love him to win the WDC, but I have to say that it would be unfair to Hamilton, even if he loses it due to an own mistake. This last third of the season he was better, period.
I hope Rosberg ups his game for next season and is able to clinch the title.
I hope Rosberg ups his game for next season and is able to clinch the title.
Vivalaraza
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HE HAS DOGS AND A GIRLFRIEND
Outrage.
Outrage.
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You guys should look back at 2011 when this personality came to a head.....he was pretty shite that year in a good car. Or not up to potential.
I'd say that Hamilton has been better all season
Vivalaraza
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Everyone knows he can be volatile like that.
How any of it amounts to him being fake though?
It sounds like you're looking for reasons to root against him. You can just not be a fan. It doesn't have to be for any righteous reason.