To play Pirelli advocate, they aren't really designed for Barcelona, they're designed more for street circuits like Monaco where otherwise there simply isn't the camber to degrade the tyres.
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To play Pirelli advocate, they aren't really designed for Barcelona, they're designed more for street circuits like Monaco where otherwise there simply isn't the camber to degrade the tyres.
I know that they'll only be available at street circuits in the first place and might not even get to a proper temperature in the current conditions, but still
Best overall laptimes of the 2nd test:
1. Ferrari SF16-H - 1:22.765 (Raikkonen day 3)
2. Mercedes W07 - 1:23.022 (Rosberg day 1)
3. Toro Rosso STR11 - 1:23.134 (Sainz day 4)
4. Williams FW38 - 1:23.193 (Massa day 3)
5. Force India VJM09 - 1:23.251 (Hülkenberg day 3)
6. Renault RS16 - 1:23.933 (Magnussen day 2)
7. Red Bull Racing RB12 - 1:24.427 (Ricciardo day 4)
8. McLaren MP4-31 - 1:24.714 (Button day 4)
9. Sauber C35 - 1:24.760 (Nasr day 3)
10. Manor Racing MRT05 - 1:24.913 (Wehrlein day 3)
11. Haas F1 VF-16 - 1:25.255 (Grosjean day 4)
Laps per team:
1. Mercedes - 619 laps
2. Toro Rosso - 602 laps
3. Ferrari - 501 laps
4. Williams - 479 laps
5. Force India - 456 laps
6. McLaren - 453 laps
7. Red Bull Racing - 448 laps
8. Renault - 433 laps
9. Sauber - 406 laps
10. Manor Racing - 227 laps
11. Haas F1 Team - 193 laps
Laps per engine:
1. Mercedes 2016 - 1.781 laps
2. Ferrari 2016 - 1.100 laps
3. Renault 2016 - 881 laps
4. Ferrari 2015 - 602 laps
5. Honda 2016 - 453 laps
1. Ferrari SF16-H - 1:22.765 (Raikkonen day 3)
2. Mercedes W07 - 1:23.022 (Rosberg day 1)
3. Toro Rosso STR11 - 1:23.134 (Sainz day 4)
4. Williams FW38 - 1:23.193 (Massa day 3)
5. Force India VJM09 - 1:23.251 (Hülkenberg day 3)
6. Renault RS16 - 1:23.933 (Magnussen day 2)
7. Red Bull Racing RB12 - 1:24.427 (Ricciardo day 4)
8. McLaren MP4-31 - 1:24.714 (Button day 4)
9. Sauber C35 - 1:24.760 (Nasr day 3)
10. Manor Racing MRT05 - 1:24.913 (Wehrlein day 3)
11. Haas F1 VF-16 - 1:25.255 (Grosjean day 4)
Laps per team:
1. Mercedes - 619 laps
2. Toro Rosso - 602 laps
3. Ferrari - 501 laps
4. Williams - 479 laps
5. Force India - 456 laps
6. McLaren - 453 laps
7. Red Bull Racing - 448 laps
8. Renault - 433 laps
9. Sauber - 406 laps
10. Manor Racing - 227 laps
11. Haas F1 Team - 193 laps
Laps per engine:
1. Mercedes 2016 - 1.781 laps
2. Ferrari 2016 - 1.100 laps
3. Renault 2016 - 881 laps
4. Ferrari 2015 - 602 laps
5. Honda 2016 - 453 laps
adamantypants
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It's like the Royal Rumble meets F1. I hope that Vince McMahon shows up to do post race questions.
Cheeseman Battitude
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I Googled Steve Jones to see who he is.
This will be bad.
This will be bad.
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I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
I'm kinda surprised they did go all out fanboost for qualifying.
I'm curious to see how Steve Jones does, the few things I've seen him on he's come across as a very capable presenter - if, perhaps, a wee bit on the smug side. It's been a while since I last saw him host something live, though, and that thing (Let's Dance for Comic Relief) did require a bit of a knowing nod and wink to the audience, so the style might well be a bit different.
One thing I didn't watch him in was Hair, a talent show for amateur hairdressers on BBC3 - bear with me - but I follow gameshows a lot and I find this account encouraging from a recent retrospective on BBC3's works in that field
Might possibly be a bit oversimple for the aficionado audience, but given it's a new channel for the sport I can understand wanting a bit of a push towards accessibility.
Rosberg said for Motorsport that Merc and Ferrari are close and it is possible that red team is ahead. Putting some smokescreen on actual car performance?
Meanwhile Williams guys and gals are certain that they are very close to the Ferrari and they do not even mention the Mercedes team.
And AMuS guys found out that Mercedes ordered 60 sets of medium and only 4 sets of soft compound.Well, I hope they know what are they doing
Meanwhile Williams guys and gals are certain that they are very close to the Ferrari and they do not even mention the Mercedes team.
And AMuS guys found out that Mercedes ordered 60 sets of medium and only 4 sets of soft compound.Well, I hope they know what are they doing
Rosberg said for Motorsport that Merc and Ferrari are close and it is possible that red team is ahead. Putting some smokescreen on actual car performance?
And AMuS guys found out that Mercedes ordered 60 sets of medium and only 4 sets of soft compound.Well, I hope they know what are they doing
Rosberg is full of shit and even he knows he's not fooling anyone.
It's okay, the midfield seems to be so close it's going to be a fun season if we just pretend that whoever comes in third is what matters.
Psychotext
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There's no-one who knows anything about the sport that believes Ferrari is ahead. Maybe within a third of a second... maybe, but not the same, and definitely not ahead.
brotkasten
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I have that weird fear that Haas is going to end u on P17 or something at Melbourne.
Hopefully not!
Hopefully not!
It's possible. They are a new team, growing pains are to be expected. The second week seemed a bit tougher for them, but overall it seemed like a positive testing session for sick a new team.
PdotMichael
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I would love to see that Vettel is pretty close to the Mercedes and Rosberg still have the edge over Hamilton like the end of last season.
The drama would be delicious.
The drama would be delicious.
And Williams at striking distance to Mercedes and Ferrari.
Cheeseman Battitude
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Damn it.
Sad news, I didn't get much exposure to him living in the US but I did recently read The Last Train from Yokkaichi. RIP
Cheeseman Battitude
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FTFY.
Cheeseman Battitude
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lol!
You don't take points from Kimi.
The finnish revenge was swift and harsh though
Psychotext
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Ferrari / Merc race sim analysis: http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...mercedes-ferraris-race-simulations-in-testing
All well and good, but of course we have no idea what engine modes they were using.
All well and good, but of course we have no idea what engine modes they were using.
And race sims were made on different days and on different time of day. Plus there is a wind factor, because it was quite windy on two afternoons and drivers could experience a bit of traffic.
But Ferrari will bring a new aero upgrade parts to Melbourne and Mercedes will not <-- at least some diehard ferrari fans are spreading this nonsense on several forums
PdotMichael
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Too bad he sucks pretty hard at putting himself in equal conditions.
PdotMichael
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Would stay extra long on the left lane with my Honda Civic while driving a little too slow for both.
Dutch Gronk
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I still respect the fuck out of that man. I also believe that he will give everybody a run for their money in a one on one. Him not winning a title with Ferrari because Grosjean had to torpedo him at Spa will never stop hurting. He deserved a title with Ferrari.
This always pisses me off when I think back on it.
brotkasten
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Lost a title, gained a life.
PdotMichael
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That's not how it works though.
It wasn't like he was remarkable unlucky over the entire season in 2012.
I never cared much about Alonso but when I looked at the numbers, I realized he was only 7 points away from equalizing Fangio's number of titles. So close yet so far.
I will never root for Grosjean because of it, so much trauma.
That was so good.
I have argued before that Alonso is somewhat overrated. It still seems to me he is a good driver, but not a great one. He has the skill on track, but to me appears to lack the skill to lead a team to work just that extra bit harder for him. The kind of things guys like Hamilton or Vettel are able to inspire, those teams go the extra mile to give those guys the exact car they need to succeed, while Alonso is left to complain about how shit his cars and engines are.
Psychotext
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That's an interesting aspect of being a "complete" driver that I'd never really considered before. I got the technical aspect, but never the leadership one.
It occurred to me over the summer that Alonso would almost definitely be a triple world champion if he hadn't been petulant and blocked Hamilton in qualifying in Hungary 2007.
I think the major issue with judging his legacy is it's difficult to know just how much he outdrove the 2012 Ferrari and how much of the struggles of those years were down t him.
I think the major issue with judging his legacy is it's difficult to know just how much he outdrove the 2012 Ferrari and how much of the struggles of those years were down t him.
Looking back I would say the strategy error during the Abu Dhabi GP in 2010 was much more annoying than the Spa incident.
Alonso is the prime reason why F1 was so enjoyable to watch in 2010 and 2012 despite having a dominant manufacturer. His 2007 McLaren season was also hugely entertaining. When he has a car capable of winning races the season that unfolds is usually unforgettable.
It's a shame he most likely won't win a third WDC because he is definitely in that category of drivers who have done so.
Alonso is the prime reason why F1 was so enjoyable to watch in 2010 and 2012 despite having a dominant manufacturer. His 2007 McLaren season was also hugely entertaining. When he has a car capable of winning races the season that unfolds is usually unforgettable.
It's a shame he most likely won't win a third WDC because he is definitely in that category of drivers who have done so.
Schumacher clearly had it as well.
I think being in the right team is part of it as well, no one thought Hamilton leaving for Mercedes would play out for him as well as it has.
king picollo
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He just seems to have made the wrong moves.
Hamilton going to Mercedes from what appeared to be a strong McLaren team seemed crazy at the time but he saw something coming.
Vettel is great but definitely owes his success to being in the right place at the right time. But it also his technical skills and drive to know how to get them to make the car perfect for him.
Alonso jumped to a weak Ferrari team then now to a weak McLaren, fantastic driver but wrong place at the wrong time, for the second half of his career.
Hamilton going to Mercedes from what appeared to be a strong McLaren team seemed crazy at the time but he saw something coming.
Vettel is great but definitely owes his success to being in the right place at the right time. But it also his technical skills and drive to know how to get them to make the car perfect for him.
Alonso jumped to a weak Ferrari team then now to a weak McLaren, fantastic driver but wrong place at the wrong time, for the second half of his career.
It's a struggle to forgive Alonso for what he and Ferrari did to Massa in Germany 2010. He can talk all he likes about how he would beat them all on equal terms, but the reality is that whenever he's been on equal terms with a competitive team mate in a race winning car he always creates some controversy.
I say give him Rosberg's Merc seat next year and lets see how he does against Hamilton now. Although the thought of the McLaren becoming a decent car only for him to be beaten by Button or Vandoorne would be pretty entertaining too.
I say give him Rosberg's Merc seat next year and lets see how he does against Hamilton now. Although the thought of the McLaren becoming a decent car only for him to be beaten by Button or Vandoorne would be pretty entertaining too.
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