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The Game Awards: Expansions, DLC, Remakes, Remasters All Eligible for All Categories
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nnytk
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Unpopular opinion here, I really did not enjoy Shadow of the Erdtree. It had a few gorgeous set pieces but the pacing, obscurity, progression system and ADHD bosses killed the experience for me.
Amen, I have Metaphor ready to play but it will have to wait till I finish with Astro Bot and Romancing Saga 2.
Unicorn Overlord on the other hand was the best gaming experience in years to me.
Also, Astro Bot blows my mind, technically and creatively. What a banger of a game.
For me personally I dont care the awards shows, I already have personal GOTY.
Amen, I have Metaphor ready to play but it will have to wait till I finish with Astro Bot and Romancing Saga 2.
Unicorn Overlord on the other hand was the best gaming experience in years to me.
Also, Astro Bot blows my mind, technically and creatively. What a banger of a game.
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Vindicator
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If Erdtree wins, I hope the award gets dedicated to Beel Cleenton again.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
C'mon now bruh. ER already got GOTY in 2022. Let's give new games like Rebirth, Astrobot, Metaphor, Unicorn Overlord, etc., their shot at the GOTY.
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Stu_Hart
Banned
Shadow of the erdtree is way better than these games to be honest, and has a decent size and length for a dlc.
GOTY is an arbitrary award anyway, so whatever...
GymWolf
Member
Why not? Many aspects of the game are as top tier as they can be and the game is just fun, it would be ok if hd2 win, and this comes form a mostly single player focused player.
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Guardian Monkey
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I just want to know when we are getting Best Lawsuit by Nintendo category.
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
Theoretically it is possible for your car to quantum tunnel from your garage to the back yard. Just because something is not strictly forbidden by the rules, does not mean it would ever happen. In your example, a tiny DLC would have to be both nominated and voted for.
In this day and age we sometimes get large expansions. Cyberpunk got one over 3 years after it launched, Elden ring got one 2 years later. Why shouldn't these game sized expansions be up for nomination against other game-sized games?
John Bilbo
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Half-Life 2 coming in hot! Game of the year 2024.
Robb
Gold Member
I think the question you should be asking is why those titles are DLC and not standalone.
The mere fact that one could say that “game” of the year is accepted to be a DLC character add on to a game is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. Let alone people defending it.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Nah. Shadow of the Erdtree should not be eligible for the GOTY regardless of its quality since it's DLC which requires the base game in order to play.
balls of snow
Member
And they say Shadow of the Erdtree wont win.
midnightAI
Banned
As if the The Game Awards aren't irrelevant enough.
People only watch it to see any game reveals.
People only watch it to see any game reveals.
I agree 100% - Shattered Space must win, or Dragon Age Veilguard. So everyone's ass hurts and we can discuss it on Neogaf for a month
Shifty1897
Member
I think it's hard to draw the line between a remake and a remaster with some games, so they just left it open. I don't think you're ever going to see a remaster by our definition get nominated anyway.
In the blurb from the game awards they mention that the new content is what's considered, so a remaster with just a visual overhaul wouldn't have what it takes. When I think of remasters that might qualify, I think of something that massively overhauls game systems and graphics, adds new story content and music, like Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition or Final Fantasy XII The Zodiac Age. I wouldn't consider either remakes, the underlying game is still the same but definitely a lot of work was done. If other developers' games were so bad in a year that people are looking at remasters as possible GOTY nominations, that's on them and their failure as a developer.
TLDR: Excluding remasters and remakes gives developers a pass because they're too scared that they can't compete with the new content in an old game. If remasters can't be considered, games that reuse the same code over and over again shouldn't be allowed either (Call of Duty, Civilization, basically all sports games)
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
They should, in their own categories.
Remakes I can kind of understand since sometimes changes are tremendous like in Rebirth. DLCs expand the base games, they don’t “remake” it.
Madflavor
Member
Do you mean there's barely anything "good" that isn't a remake or remaster? Cause I could agree with that. There's been plenty of new games that came out this year. But until we start getting lazy and badly done remakes, I have 0 issue with getting more of them. Even the dreaded Silent Hill 2 by Bloober Team ended up being great. It ain't my fault these publishers are hiring complete amateurs and activists to make new games. And I think it's ultimately a good thing for younger gamers to be exposed to beloved games of the past.
Publishers know Remakes are a safe bet now. They do well both critically and commercially. My only point with films is that I don't get excited for movie remakes because I know they're very likely going to be garbage.
Again though, it's not my fault that the glory days were better. I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying here, but there is some good that can come from this. Maybe with all these remakes and remasters coming out, the new generation of gaming storytellers and developers can understand what made these games so special, and it inspires them. Right now Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D is tracking to at least double the Player Count of Final Fantasy XVI. It could very well surpass that game in sales. And this is a simple turn based RPG. Maybe that will clue in Square Enix on what JRPG players actually want. I can't buy into this idea that getting all these remakes is such a bad thing, when for the most part they're been great, people have been having fun with them, and it might teach the gaming industry some valuable lessons. They might learn some wrong lessons such as "Just make Remakes. Remakes = Money." But I'm sure to some degree they might pay attention to what is it about these games that's attracting players.
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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This is going to screw over Astro Bot. Shame. Finally got a proper first full non-vr game that should win GOTY but nope! More Souls.
Peroroncino
Member
less space for Dragon Age. Hopefully
not if greg cuckller from kindashitty has anything to say about it
ChorizoPicozo
Member
and a bunch of outlets too. let's see if they want to "stick it" to the chuds
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Continuing down the darkest timeline. DLC and "new seasons" eligible for Game of the Year.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
Controversial opinion, but I feel remasters, season passes, remakes and DLC should not be eligible for GOTY. I feel only original games should qualify for that award.
Maybe they could have a separate category for remasters, remakes, DLC, etc because I know effort and hard work usually still go into them.
Maybe they could have a separate category for remasters, remakes, DLC, etc because I know effort and hard work usually still go into them.
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Arsic
Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Should it? Probably not.
Most here want Rebirth to get it.
I personally think silent hill 2 remake is the best game of this year by a long mile.
But my second place would be Erdtree.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
I feel the same way. I only consider new IP or new entry should be eligible for GOTY.
Icymanipulator
Member
Kind of a joke if a DLC wins “game” of the year.
yet_another_alt
Member
You guys are all wrong, he did this because Death Stranding is a new XBOX game so it now qualifies.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
Let me rephrase: There have barely been any games of significance out this year that aren't remakes or remasters. There are plenty of irrelevant games every year, but by way of their irrelevance, they don't define the calendar.
I mean what games of some actual consequence did release, really?
- Rehashed Koei Tecmo slop Rise of the Ronin
- Kickstarter nostalgia bait Eiyuden Chronicles
- Stellar Blade that gets its relevance entirely from culture wars stuff
- Like a Dragon: Infinite Asset Reuse
- Metaphor Rehashtastico Or Hashino gets relegated to the B-team and churns out Totally Not Persona and SMT
- Dragon's Dogma Attempt 2
- Dragon Age: The Salesguard that no one was expecting to be good anyway
Other than those, Helldivers 2, Star Wars Outlaws and Black Myth: Soulslop, the rest is fucking remasters and remakes. I mean look at this.
Last of Us 2 Remastered
Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
Until Dawn Remastered
Legacy of Kain Remasters
Silent Hill 2
Dragon Quest 3 HD-2D Remake
Tomb Raider I-III Remasters
Hitman Blood Money Reprisal
Ace Attorney Remastered
Alone in the Dark Remake
Dead Rising Deluxe Remastered
Mario vs Donkey Kong Remake
Epic Mickey Rebrushed
Luigi's Mansion 2 HD Remaster
Paper Mario Remake
El Shaddai Remastered
Braid Anniversary Edition
Star Wars Battlefront Classic Collection
Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons Remake
Beyond Good & Evil Anniversary Edition
Star Wars Dark Forces
Persona 3 Reload
Lollipop Chainsaw: RePOP
Age of Mythology Retold
Stalker: Legends of the Zone Trilogy
Marvel Vs Capcom Collection
Each from major publishers and IP, and that's not all of them. And the ones I haven't included aren't like Sonic X Shadow generations where there's a significant add-on.
I mean, that is just ridiculous.
It isn't, but I don't think us gamers as a whole have done ourselves any favours. Up until now, they've gotten away with hiring amateurs and activists because of one thing (mostly) outside of consumer control and another thing entirely in consumer control.
1. Damn near interest free loan money circulating the global economy, now adding to ridiculous levels of debt
2. Tolerance of poor quality products, and incessant playing of the same fucking games for 10 years at a time.
Yeah, that's my point. We're setting up a really bad incentive structure here. They do well critically and commercially relative to their lower investment costs, and aren't hitting the people you might think they are. More on that below.
The problem is that you're not hitting "the new generation" of devs. These retreads are selling mostly towards old heads who already know of and/or played these titles previously.
The other issue is that Dragon Quest HD-2D outperforming concurrent player numbers of FF16 indicates nothing. SE is not after 50,000 peak concurrent players on PC and less than 4 million lifetime in total. It's not like they haven't done the HD-2D thing before. With actually new games like Octopath and Triangle Strategy, it didn't get them very far.
If the insinuation is that giving 150-200 million production values to turn based RPGs is the answer, I refer you to 2D or 3D platformers not called Mario in regards to the relevance of that genre independent of dating sim mechanics and uniquely poppy aesthetics ala Persona (and we'll see how high or low the ceiling is for that IP with 6).
Also, there's already a slew of indie devs who were inspired by games from the 90s and 2000s, and they're choking the storefronts with 3rd rate imitations of all of the IP that is getting incessantly revisited.
They took the wrong lesson from MMOs, are taking the wrong lessons from a handful of entrenched live service successes, and will definitely take away the wrong lesson from the Remaster spamming. Remakes = Safe Money, Live Services = Risky Gargantuan Money. After all, if you're talking about where a disproportionate number of players are attracted to, look no further than Fortnite, Warzone and etc.
We're heading towards a situation where it's either a remake or remaster for low-medium investments, and live services for the majority of big swings, with even fewer new SP tentpoles in between. I think the market needs fewer games, but not so few actually new ones that you can't muster a GOTY list without including fucking DLC.
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FunkMiller
Member
I actually don't think Erdtree should win, having played it. It's more of the same great game... but that's all it is.
Frankly, I'd give GOTY to Batman Arkham Shadow at this point. But it'll never win due to the platform it's on.
Frankly, I'd give GOTY to Batman Arkham Shadow at this point. But it'll never win due to the platform it's on.
Humdinger
Gold Member
I don't really give a shit about the Game Awards, but here's my half-baked opinion anyhow:
DLC - ok to be eligible for GOTY I suppose, since some of them can be longer and meatier than most stand-alone games.
Remakes - no, shouldn't be eligible for GOTY, because it's too hard to differentiate the underlying game from the improvements to that game. What are you awarding GOTY to exactly? The original, underlying game, which is from years ago, or the improvements to graphics and gameplay? It's easy to separate those two conceptually, but it's much harder to do in the actual experience/vote. If you're awarding just based on the improvements, it should be a separate category.
Remasters - no, shouldn't be eligible, since in most cases it's just a fresh coat of paint to an old game.
DLC - ok to be eligible for GOTY I suppose, since some of them can be longer and meatier than most stand-alone games.
Remakes - no, shouldn't be eligible for GOTY, because it's too hard to differentiate the underlying game from the improvements to that game. What are you awarding GOTY to exactly? The original, underlying game, which is from years ago, or the improvements to graphics and gameplay? It's easy to separate those two conceptually, but it's much harder to do in the actual experience/vote. If you're awarding just based on the improvements, it should be a separate category.
Remasters - no, shouldn't be eligible, since in most cases it's just a fresh coat of paint to an old game.
All this doesn't matter anymore, I already posted it in one of the posts on this topic. Considering who is on the jury, and the 90% to 10% ratio, it doesn't matter at all what and how will be there, I won't be surprised if all the winners are already known. That's why we can discuss anything here and scold them, but the choice has already been made for us =)
Shake Your Rump
Banned
Geoff does not vote.
In fact, the way the voting is arranged, no one entity could even hope to force a particular game to win
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
And just like that, Elden Ring can win two GotY’s, lol
xenosys
Member
I expect Shadow of the Erdtree to be nominated in every category it's eligible for, with a needless 30 minutes presentation for Kojima's next self-suck project.
Hrk69
Member
I love how often you all treat pure speculation as if it's 100% accurate
You 100% don't know shit
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hinch7
Member
Expansions are fine by me. Some expansions can almost be considered a whole new game. Like Phantom Liberty and CP2077 was my GOTY in 2023.
Remasters idk thats a sort of grey area. Some are just straight up enhanced ports. Others built from the ground up like a proper remake. I'd rather those not make that into GOTY choices.
Remakes sure.
Remasters idk thats a sort of grey area. Some are just straight up enhanced ports. Others built from the ground up like a proper remake. I'd rather those not make that into GOTY choices.
Remakes sure.
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simpatico
Member
GOTY: Shadow of the Erdtree (Elden Ring)
Runner Up: Ode to Castlevania (Vampire Survivors)
If Erdtree is eligible it wins by a landslide. There's just no honest way around it. The best argument against it is DLCs not being eligible. You're lying to yourself if you think there's a better 40 hours of gaming released this year.
Runner Up: Ode to Castlevania (Vampire Survivors)
If Erdtree is eligible it wins by a landslide. There's just no honest way around it. The best argument against it is DLCs not being eligible. You're lying to yourself if you think there's a better 40 hours of gaming released this year.
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