The Game Developers Conference 2006 Thread (Part II)
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CurseoftheGods
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genjiZERO said:
gofreak said:
Basically this is what Sony touted with the interaction between CELL and RSX (FLEXIO)?
Yeah judging by this I think It's really premature to give a final opinion on this. In their beta kit, they dont have this extra bandwith and things could still improved a lot until PS3 launch.
gofreak> did you catch some other interesting technical tidbits (not only about Warhawk)?
AndoCalrissian
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Yeah, Japan kind of gets screwed on the deal, but they've had games before us for decades, so I think I wouldn't really care.Draft said:
RaijinFY said:
It's an application I hadn't thought of, but thinking about it now it makes a lot of sense
But yes, this would be a rather explicit manifestation of shared rendering between Cell and RSX. I'm very surprised to see it at all in a launch title like this!
RaijinFY said:
On Warhawk, I'll just copy over my notes I was writing up for another forum - basically paraphrasing what the Incognito rep was saying:
- Combat simulation that is being constantly evaluated in the background, creating an environment of epic war. "PS3 can create HD graphics and audio, but also 'HD' behavioural simulation"
- Significant proportion of their CPU budget used for the above, but also for simulation of a variety of natural phenomenon including procedurally generated ocean geometry, clouds that are rendered using a volumetric software raytracer running on a SPU - "interesting paradigm shift" as it is the first time Incognito have mixed Cell-based software rendering with RSX-based hardware rendering. Don't need to use Cell for software rendering, can use it if you choose, RSX has plenty of power of its own e.g. the capital ships with surface rendering orders of magnitude more complex than anything they could have done on PS2 (color maps, occlusion, parallax maps, dynamic shadowing etc.). All rendered with 4xAA.
- PS3 is a very complex and powerful machine, but the entry point is very accessible - various programs running on the SPUs for physics, collisions, water simulation, particles, animation, but for Warhawk, none are written in assembly.
On the Ninja Theory/Havok demo, just worth pointing out that Harrison stressed it was using game production code and assets i.e. not quite a tech demo.
Ditto on the vehicle dynamics demo - Harrison says the demo was taken from a game in production, but they simply removed everything except the car so as not to give away what the game is about. Not much technical detail - just that bullets enter the car and actually augment the geometry, not just a flat decal effect or whatever.
Unfortunately, the audio cut out shortly after Harrison started talking about online, so I couldn't listen in on any of the other demos.
PhoenixDark
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Just got out of class, and I have a thirty minute break until my next one. Luckily I'll have a computer in there.
Did I miss anything? When is Iwata's speech?
Did I miss anything? When is Iwata's speech?
Sabaku Ika
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Aaah! I forgot to think in pacific time. I was thinking the conference had already happened and it was just not eventful enough to talk about. Seemed suspiciously unspannund.
gofreak said:It's an application I hadn't thought of, but thinking about it now it makes a lot of sense
But yes, this would be a rather explicit manifestation of shared rendering between Cell and RSX. I'm very surprised to see it at all in a launch title like this!
On Warhawk, I'll just copy over my notes I was writing up for another forum - basically paraphrasing what the Incognito rep was saying:
- Combat simulation that is being constantly evaluated in the background, creating an environment of epic war. "PS3 can create HD graphics and audio, but also 'HD' behavioural simulation"
- Significant proportion of their CPU budget used for the above, but also for simulation of a variety of natural phenomenon including procedurally generated ocean geometry, clouds that are rendered using a volumetric software raytracer running on a SPU - "interesting paradigm shift" as it is the first time Incognito have mixed Cell-based software rendering with RSX-based hardware rendering. Don't need to use Cell for software rendering, can use it if you choose, RSX has plenty of power of its own e.g. the capital ships with surface rendering orders of magnitude more complex than anything they could have done on PS2 (color maps, occlusion, parallax maps, dynamic shadowing etc.). All rendered with 4xAA.
- PS3 is a very complex and powerful machine, but the entry point is very accessible - various programs running on the SPUs for physics, collisions, water simulation, particles, animation, but for Warhawk, none are written in assembly.
On the Ninja Theory/Havok demo, just worth pointing out that Harrison stressed it was using game production code and assets i.e. not quite a tech demo.
Ditto on the vehicle dynamics demo - Harrison says the demo was taken from a game in production, but they simply removed everything except the car so as not to give away what the game is about. Not much technical detail - just that bullets enter the car and actually augment the geometry, not just a flat decal effect or whatever.
Unfortunately, the audio cut out shortly after Harrison started talking about online, so I couldn't listen in on any of the other demos.
Ok thx a lot!
So yeah, E3 cant come soon enough. I hope dev. will have enough time to compil and make a playable demo running on the "final dev."(well at least with full speed CELL and the final RSX) for the show.
DieNgamers
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The Zelda infos alone will make the keynote a spannnuuund event!
Smiles and Cries
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most people will want to see Zelda TP but a bomb would be Mario Revolution.
They don't even need to show how it plays with the revmote... just a 30 sec movie clip :lol
They don't even need to show how it plays with the revmote... just a 30 sec movie clip :lol
robertsan21
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lets hope GAF is more Stable this time around, but knowing how we nintendo fans react to new info....I think gaf will go bobsaladropathon crazy and flatline on our asses.
Illuminati
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I am expecting something big along those lines. Iwata would not get off his golden throne in Japan at NintendoHQ for the GDC just to give a the same old speech about Nintendo's goals\vision of the future\yadda yadda yadda that Reggie could have given.Xdrive05 said:
TekunoRobby
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Who said anything about lying? Also I most certainly didn't say that the demo was PS2 quality, I've always mantained that certain aspects of some demos were PS2 quality such as the texturing, environments for example. Word of sustained applause? There WAS applause and we were all part of it. The PS3 is a post processing monster and the Cell's ability to churn about amazing physics with advanced animation/render algorithms will really set it apart. Holy shit quit putting words in my mouth guys, I'm on the same team albeit with my mind not being torn asunder by amazement. That'll be at E3 for sure.Raven. said:
Rubber duckies demo FTW (seriously, its cool)!
Blackcherry
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Wonder how GA will handle it for E3GhaleonEB said:
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Already had 3 Zelda trailers, don't need another. That's more than most Nintendo games get right up to their release date.
Illuminati
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The server will go through a china syndrome.Blackcherry said:
Zerodoppler
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Mama Smurf said:
Agreed. New New Super Mario Bros. trailer instead, please.
TekunoRobby
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I tried my damndest to get WiFi working in the auditorium for the PS3 keynote for you guys. Unfortunately that didn't go through but I'll attempt the same for Nintendo's thing. WE CAN'T ALL BE LIKE KOBUN WITH HIS FANCY LAD TREO.
robertsan21
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E3 will be crazy, dont think the servers will hold up.
imagine when sony,nintendo and MS brings out their big guns
nintendo: Mario 128 and more
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Sony: MGS4, PS3 Price point and tons of other PS3 news
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MS: Halo3
= 9 11 times 3128 thats the real bobsaladropathon and servers will die due to its power
imagine when sony,nintendo and MS brings out their big guns
nintendo: Mario 128 and more
+
Sony: MGS4, PS3 Price point and tons of other PS3 news
+
MS: Halo3
= 9 11 times 3128 thats the real bobsaladropathon and servers will die due to its power
DieNgamers
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Mario and Zelda trailer ftw!Zerodoppler said:
Mario and Zelda??? New Rev game!! SPANUUUUD!!!
element
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it fucking disappeared. it isn't on any schedule here at the event. but it is on the website. I'm going to go talk to someone at the Factor5 booth when the expo opens.gofreak said:I hope some people get to report back on the Lair session before the whole forum goes to pot with Iwata's speech :lol It wraps up in 30 mins:
I'd expect maybe shots of game assets, at least - hopefully people can use cameras at this one
Mefisutoferesu
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gofreak, I've got a bit of a question. Last I recall, wasn't there some suggestion that nVidia's G70/71 architecture wasn't particularly well suited for parallax mapping? Maybe I'm just remembering some piece of PR spouted by ATi? Dunno, but anyway I'm wondering if some changes have been made, since I noticed the comment about Warhawk battleships having parallax mapping. Meh, it's probably nothing but idle curiosity.