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The games industry ‘will only have room for one non-Nintendo console next gen’, it’s claimed
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In other words, they know less than we do.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Come one man!
Every one of these games (except for one) came out within the last year.
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Woopah
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It will compete against both, like how Switch was competiting against PS4 and now competes against PS5.
That's his point, people will upgrade to Switch 2 for exclusive games like they upgraded to PS5 for exclusive games.Come one man!
Every one of these games (except for one) came out within the last year.
deriks
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
semiconscious
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okay, we can definitely rake this shit to the bank...
TropicanaTwista
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I actually disagree with this, mainly due to what you posted. It wasn't even a decade ago with the complete bomb of the Wii U, where they were EASILY doing the worst. Even when you look at their history, their highs are very high but their lows are low. GameCube was another massive failure. They really don't have a middle ground, they crush or fail big time. To their credit though, if they do something wrong they rebound very very well.
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Only Nintendo is needed.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
I like how some like to exclude Nintendo like some untouchable company, its funny knowing how many fails Nintendo have 
Badlucktroll
Member
Valve could change the dynamic if they come out witha resonably priced home console that plays all pc games
Nice. Honestly all they have to do is a complete official remaster/remake of the Half Life games and/or announce Half Life 3 launching exclusively on the Steam console OR just tell people they can play everything in their Steam libraries on their fuckin OLED tv’s and they’ll sell several million. I’m not even a PC user or a huge Half Life fan but I can clearly see the value of the built-in user base on Steam making Valve a serious contender in the future console landscape if they do it right.The Last Ninja 4 as launch title. 20 million sold day 1.
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Fess
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Yeah I’m just reacting on ”System 3”, was a legendary dev on the Commodore 64.
Half-Life 3 would be bigger, releasing it as an exclusive on a new Valve ”console” could probably change the whole industry. Is there a more powerful release among enthusiast gamers? Maybe GTA6 but otherwise I don’t know
SweetTooth
Gold Member
They can't, they lack the hw manufacturing prowess.
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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If advertised right; it can kill the industry.@HeisenbergFX4
That new Microsoft console in time for gta6, that side loads steam allowing you to play Playstation games as well.
Manufacturing prowess? Everything is made in fucking China!
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ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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We have a final Xbox console & handheld rumored to be revealed. If it’s a hybrid then we’re in for a show.
Considering the lousy sales trajectory of the current Xbox consoles, how impactful will yet another Xbox actually be long term? I think this is the argument. We’re only 4 years into the current gen and I don’t think there’s an appetite for next gen quite yet. Realistically we’ve probably got another 3 years left, at least in the PS5 life cycle.
HeWhoWalks
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I laugh because I don’t see Gabe selling to them. They tried that shit with Nintendo and got that gif.
Of course, strange things happen, but I don’t see this as one of them.
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LordNerevar76
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I know it was a rhetorical question, my point was the primary reason to upgrade any console is the new games.Come one man!
Every one of these games (except for one) came out within the last year.
Edit: realized you saw what I meant later down. Agreed!
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SirTerry-T
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Vectrex 2. It's time.
If anything, Valve/Steam would make more sense under Sony as it would give them a solid competitor to Gamepass.
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ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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Not in terms of sales. But if a hybrid is reveled with good advertising it can shakeup the industry.
A 700+ hybrid backed by msft & 3rd parties would start a new gen and redefine it as competitors would be facing a device that plays their titles. No one will be left behind as msft/3rd parties will be catering to ps/pc/nin but the rift will be is ps6 going to be worth it if Sony does not have steam/epic as day1 options . This forces Sony to choose between casual (400 usd and lower) or enthusiasts (700 min) with core gamers knowing ps mult titles are day1 pc and so around the corner.
In short, msft would be unveiling the final console. One that no longer has barriers for console/pc/mobile titles. This console will exist to break the mold before the army of steam machines 2.0 and other pc handhelds make another push.
Humdinger
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We've had 3 consoles for as long as I've been a console gamer, 25 years, and no doubt before that. We know that we will have 3 consoles next gen, too. Five, if you count handhelds separately, and even more if you count PC hybrids (e.g., the one potentially coming from Valve or the handheld versions). Not saying all will be successful. Some, like Xbox, may bring up the rear like the out-of-shape guy wheezing his way through a 10K. But they will be there, plugging away.
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username12
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Waste of money if you ask me. Unless it's for a Nintendo console, which is an even bigger waste of money, but anyone who wants to play their games doesn't have a choice.
I think Sony will price the next console below 700usd - I think setting the Pro at that price this gen was to test the spending appetite waters for the next console but I don’t think the base PS6 will be 700usd out the gate. Could be 5-600 which is steep but still within the realm of reality even for casual consumers.
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That was back when Nintendo was "lost" and unsure about their brand. Are they casual? Are they hardcore? Do they stick with traditional game mechanics are try for gimmicks? Nintendo answered all of those questions with Switch and now they know who they are and what everyone wants. They'd have to purposely go out of their way and try to tank their brand again like they did with Wii U.
On a hardware level Sony is just as good as ever, but no one can deny Sony lost their identity with software and we will see the ramifications of they're GAAS initiatives play out over the next couple of years. Their new leader just came out complaining about their lack of IP and brands: that is not the sentiment of a confident leader. Sony WILL be okay, but they messed up and they're going to pay for it financially for a bit.
Dude’s gotta realize by this point he’s on the wrong team when it comes to actual games and the authorship of IP. Sure his bloated salary and stock options make his job worthwhile in material terms, but every time he gets in front of the camera and acts prideful about gaming and Microsoft’s role in it you can feel how dead he is inside. Spiritually cucked individual.
phant0m
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If MS is smart then Xbox becomes an OS instead of specific hardware. XboxOS should be a stripped down version of Windows that takes out all the non-gaming related shit. No Microsoft365 ads, no OneDrive and other nonsense. The UI should be fully operable by a controller, and it should be able to run Steam and other 3rd party launchers, with a Home Screen that integrates them all
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
But MS would literally lose 100s of millions of dollars per year on this device since people would just buy games, micro-transactions, etc from the Steam store. So what does MS get out of this?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
How is it a waste of money? If people wanted to play video games, what should they do then?
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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Not if it’s oem for manufacturing costs as the consumer will pay the full amount. They are simply releasing a pc that has Xbox is as part of it and split the store fees. Msft has around 800m mau; their goals are figuring out how to bring it together for themselves. If all msft games can sync between buyers then a steam copy and Xbox copy are the same. Mtx will eventually default to an Xbox store or a msft construction store for msft properties. Their cloud play was to get 100% of mtx revenue. The msft goal will be remaking the store to utilize all msft properties via payment/mtx costs across pc/console/mobile. Therefore it would not matter if you are playing on ps6 or pc as msft mtx will be handled by a msrp they will set and possibly undercut. Example all your mtx purchases have keys msft simply discounts it 30% off vs ps or steam ecosystem.
note we also do not know gp owners growth and the percentage of xbots who are mainly gp users. Nor if msft releases are profitable when released (aka gp covers its development cost of Xbox/pc games).
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Hold on........the 100s of millions I'm talking about is if they allow the Steam store to be on this "OEM" Xbox hybrid console.
TropicanaTwista
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One would think but it's Nintendo. It sounds like switch 2 is gonna be most of the same but look at their history, it traditionally isn't them. They also have to worry about more competitors in their space if the handheld now. They're always gonna get destroyed when it comes to power by the other guys. They might need to reinvent themselves again, but that could be longer term.
I also disagree about software. I'm just one dude but I'm MUCH more disappointed by their output then Sony. People can bag on Sony for their GaaS output, but that also produced helldivers which sold a shit ton and people seem to love
. The new Zelda games, while good, are a far cry of OoT, TP and wind waker. 3D Mario's in the same situation. Good but the quality isn't there. They also take forever for these games. ToTK used the same entire map and assets and took over 6 years. They didn't even release a new Mario Kart for the switch!! Idk, I liked my switch overall and don't hate the system or games by any stretch. But it's also the least played system I've owned from Nintendo my entire life
I can respect your opinion about disliking the software, but in a topic about the security and longevity about their business, you can't argue with the data, and the data shows Nintendo's software outsold Sony's first party software at an astounding rate this past gen, and it wasn't even close.One would think but it's Nintendo. It sounds like switch 2 is gonna be most of the same but look at their history, it traditionally isn't them. They also have to worry about more competitors in their space if the handheld now. They're always gonna get destroyed when it comes to power by the other guys. They might need to reinvent themselves again, but that could be longer term.
I also disagree about software. I'm just one dude but I'm MUCH more disappointed by their output then Sony. People can bag on Sony for their GaaS output, but that also produced helldivers which sold a shit ton and people seem to love
Idk, I liked my switch overall and don't hate the system or games by any stretch. But it's also the least played system I've owned from Nintendo my entire life
ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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Was a bit confused by that but msft can negotiate a split in revenue as this would be a pc where the big gainers are platform holders and publishers.
Also I would believe msft has data as to what games are most played in their ecosystem. Steam would not be an issue but valve ftp games might be competitive. The future for msft is being the biggest publisher, getting more subscribers, mtx gains and hiding their assets.
Michael patcher (yes him) made a good point about msft needing to find a way to profit off their 800m vs Sony 120 mau. An example used was battlenet coins/tokens used to pay for avowed.
My point is if msft can make mtx items out of thin air ( feds ability to print) then one store wins if they can legally tie it to a prime store.
Drell
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They still gain tons of money thanks to office, windows and all their other very lucrative activities where they have a monopoly in some of them and so an endless flow of cash coming to them to try whatever they want with xbox.
Sega, back then had the arcades as a secondary revenue source but that was all, it didn't allow them to screw up indefinitely like ms.
DeltaPolarBear
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You are entirely missing the point. Microsoft has endless money, Xbox does not. There was a warchest, true, and it was indeed vast. But Xbox still managed to spent it all. Xbox now is being extracted for whatever value it has left to get some money back, after which it would be discarded and MS gaming would be what remains. The warchest WAS real. But it is gone now.
Sorcerer
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It depends if Valve would be willing to sacrifice Half-Life 3 (financial gains) just to make a statement. As much as Valve is making moves to secure a Windowless future, all the money at the moment comes from Windows. Then there is the fact they would be seen as crawling back with their tail between their legs if this Linux console initiative fails a second time.
The tempting move might be to give it HL3 away "free with a Valve console" much like they gave Alex away with the headset. Obviously HL3 would be a bigger powerplay, but of course sell it for other platforms as well.
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ShirAhava
Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
Consoles are going to be what the ipod was after the iphone came out
ShirAhava
Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
Maybe in an alternative universe
Do you have directions to said universe? if SEGA's still making consoles its a better place.
Moses85
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Rawbutt Jellybean
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Competition from who? Closest they had to competition in the handheld space was the PSP and the DS still outsold it almost 2:1.One would think but it's Nintendo. It sounds like switch 2 is gonna be most of the same but look at their history, it traditionally isn't them. They also have to worry about more competitors in their space if the handheld now. They're always gonna get destroyed when it comes to power by the other guys. They might need to reinvent themselves again, but that could be longer term.
I also disagree about software. I'm just one dude but I'm MUCH more disappointed by their output then Sony. People can bag on Sony for their GaaS output, but that also produced helldivers which sold a shit ton and people seem to love
Idk, I liked my switch overall and don't hate the system or games by any stretch. But it's also the least played system I've owned from Nintendo my entire life
BOTW, TOTK, and Odyssey all sold a shit ton (20-33 million each) and people very much love.
Topher
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"DFC believes it’s too early to know which of Xbox and PlayStation will drop off next gen, stating that price points, launch dates, and other basic features such as portability, will factor."
It would take some masterful leadership at Microsoft to be able to pull that off. Problem is Microsoft doesn't have masterful leadership.
It would take some masterful leadership at Microsoft to be able to pull that off. Problem is Microsoft doesn't have masterful leadership.
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Fess
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I was deep into console gaming when Steam happened, so might be wrong here, but didn’t Valve force people to use Steam with the Half-Life 2 release and that was basically how it all took off?
I definitely think it could be done again. SteamOS required
grvg
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With any luck, that "only non Nintendo console" will be a steam machine.
That's exactly what happened. Counter strik , too, iirc. I was mad at the time, but fast forward 20 years and the only reason I still buy games at all is steam.
That would be a dream come true. Segas new console debits with phantasy star online 3.
I was deep into console gaming when Steam happened, so might be wrong here, but didn’t Valve force people to use Steam with the Half-Life 2 release and that was basically how it all took off?
I definitely think it could be done again. SteamOS required
That's exactly what happened. Counter strik , too, iirc. I was mad at the time, but fast forward 20 years and the only reason I still buy games at all is steam.
That would be a dream come true. Segas new console debits with phantasy star online 3.
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