How many times were Kirk and Picard actually wrong?
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How many times were Kirk and Picard actually wrong?
Henchmen21
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Off the top of my head, WoK for Kirk and Data's Day for Picard.
funkystudent
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Odo getting totally freindzoned by Kira this episode is giving me flashbacks to college.
DUDE! SHAPESHIFT SOME BALLS AND ASK HER OUT ALREADY!
DUDE! SHAPESHIFT SOME BALLS AND ASK HER OUT ALREADY!
TNG Series Bible:
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LOL, Chief Engineer Geordi La Forge hosts Reading Rainbow sessions in the ship's library when he's not on duty.
Edit2: Y'know, Reading Rainbow Geordi plus child-phobic Picard could have made for some interesting character dynamics.
I'm pretty sure they actually did, but maybe I'm misremembering or remembering it from the tech manual or something. I do recall it being a "commonly known fact", though, at the very last.
DrForester
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I think it wasn't said that the Enterprise was the first, but implied that the Galaxy Class was the first.
lastplayed
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Over 5000 on the Enterprise.
That's super cool! One day I will get back into models
Thanks.
It's funny how infectious they are, I was inspired to make the carrier after seeing someone else's version on YouTube.SolarMystic
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It was state of the art at the time IIRC.
StopMakingSense
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Yeah, this.
Need to rewatch the first ep but I felt like they never gave a good reason why Voyager was sent into the badlands as opposed to another more military focused ship.
StopMakingSense
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"Paris advises against it, having never seen a Federation starship that could maneuver through the plasma storms; Janeway retorts by saying that he has never seen USS Voyager."
Then who built the Maquis ships? Seems like we're missing the reference to some alien arms dealers who outfit them with entire ships no one else has.
DrForester
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That seems more a comment to boast of her ship, rather than a statement about it's technical capabilities.
They were looking for Janeway's Security Officer.
Just finished up S2 of TNG, and I have to say I appreciate the longer running time more often than not. With TOS especially and their lack of B-stories it sometimes felt like things were just spinning to run out the clock, and that's the occasion here too, but it also lets them throw in scenes that aren't really crucial to the plot but let you just get to know the characters. "Pen Pals" has a full four minutes of Picard and Troi talking about horses and it's delightful.
And in regards to "The Icarus Factor" and the "ultimate evolution of the martial arts"...
Lol. Get dressed up like vinyl samurai and haphazardly swing beeping poles at each other.
And in regards to "The Icarus Factor" and the "ultimate evolution of the martial arts"...
Lol. Get dressed up like vinyl samurai and haphazardly swing beeping poles at each other.
Stumpokapow
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yeah it's basically american gladiators, which is hilarious because it was written about 5 years before there was an actual revolution in martial arts and combat practice.
SolidSnakeUS
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Am I weird that I can just sit here and enjoy watching Star Trek The Motion Picture? While it is really slow, I find it very atmospheric, well shot, good effects (for the most part) and very interesting ideas that come up from it. I dunno, I'm weird haha.
Harlan Ellison called it the motionless picture, and that's as good a tagline as any. The movie's not terrible (except for the woman who plays Lt. Illya) as much as it is plodding and disappointing.
I've been meaning to rewatch the film in HD since I've got it, and then rewatch the director's cut—the director's cut restores some of the lost effects and is supposed to improve pacing even though it's actually longer than the theatrical version. Wanted to actually compare the two, even though that's gonna' be five hours of my life lost Don't think I've watched either in close to a decade at this point.
For my own enjoyment I've thought about doing a cut of my own on it. There's a few fan edits out there but they seem focused on trying to turn it into a TV episode, which I don't think is a laudable target. I ended up watching one of the three-hour Hobbit trilogy cutdowns and greatly enjoyed the time-saving over watching the original run films.
Don't think I've watched either in close to a decade at this point.For my own enjoyment I've thought about doing a cut of my own on it. There's a few fan edits out there but they seem focused on trying to turn it into a TV episode, which I don't think is a laudable target. I ended up watching one of the three-hour Hobbit trilogy cutdowns and greatly enjoyed the time-saving over watching the original run films.
Watched the scenes of VOY with Geneviève Bujold as Janeway. You never know how she might have developed, but apart from that we've been really lucky to get Kate Mulgrew instead of her.
Eh, I think her performance was just kind of "different", not worse.
When Bujold's Janeway did the technobable thing she seemed smarter (or just more believable) than Mulgrew's Janeway, and when she talked of studying a thousand planets, I got the sense that she was much more experienced than Mulgrew's Janeway. When Tuvok told her to get some rest, I got the sense that she was the driven sort who really would forego sleep. Basically, she just seemed "stronger".
Mulgrew's Janeway never really got that "strength" thing down, and it seemed like Mary Sue fanfiction for the writers to be saying how strong she was. Of course, the writers also listed Janeway as being sensitive and emotional, and Mulgrew was definitely delivering more emotions. Bujold's dour face might have become tiresome, and we might have instead spent seven years disbelieving the writers unrelenting claims that she's a vulnerable human.
Nah, Bujold would have been ten time better than what we got.
Stumpokapow
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I don't think there's anything wrong with her characterization.
However, her fairly strong accent (like a foreigner trying trying to do a Brooklyn accent--I'm not sure what she was going for, this is not really typical of Montrealer English) is impeding her line delivery, and sometimes she has a stumbly cadence where it feels like the words are tumbling out of her.
I think it feels like a French woman trying to do, like, an English speaking Russian Jew from Brooklyn.
Speaking of Vulcans, I think Bujold was pulling off the Picard-ish image of a Captain who doesn't fraternize with their crew, resulting in her only friend and confidant being a Vulcan.
Unlike Mulgrew's Janeway who was more like Fry from Futurama and his "Cool, I always wanted a robot best friend."
I could totally buy Bujold's Janeway needing to find romance on the holodeck. With Mulgrew's Janeway, it was more like "I can't make friends because reasons."
DrForester
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I don't think many of the problems with Janeway can be laid at the feet of Kate Mulgrew. I think she did just find with the crap she was given to work with.
Yeah. No offense to Mulgrew here. I think Janeway was asked to be too many different and sometimes conflicting things, and Bujold offered one style of Janeway while Mulgrew offered another.
In that comparison clip, Mulgrew is definitely bringing things to the table that Bujold clearly isn't (maybe can't), but Bujold is offering a little bit of something that I never saw in Mulgrew's entire run. I think neither one's better or worse, just different.
firehawk12
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I still find it weird that she didn't realize that doing a TV show would be hard and quit.
Kevin Sorbo thought he could handle a movie career in addition to his TV work. Then he had a stroke and had to quit movies/reduce TV. Plenty of people overestimate how much work they can handle.
Honestly I can't think of a single mainline character in any Star Trek series that I felt failed or fell flat because of the acting versus the writing. Linda Park, Garrett Wang, and Robert Beltran are IMO some of the weakest actors in the franchise and even they could pull decent work when they were given *something* to do beyond complain about languages being hard, suck at their love life, and something something "Native american!"*
*On a weird note, apparently the producers consulted with one Jamake Highwater about Chakotay's character, years after it'd been revealed the dude was not native american. No wonder they started off from a really broad brush of a character and never got much further.
*On a weird note, apparently the producers consulted with one Jamake Highwater about Chakotay's character, years after it'd been revealed the dude was not native american. No wonder they started off from a really broad brush of a character and never got much further.
Bobby Roberts
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I'm not sure how this only has 316 views, but:
This is the first ever recording of Jerry Goldsmith's main title for Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
This is the first ever recording of Jerry Goldsmith's main title for Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
Chakotay was really a terrible character. They didn't know anything to do with him except use him for a handful of cliché Native American tropes. I remember this quote from a critique of Chakotay.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Are there any news for the next ST film or series?
The only really solid episodes I can remember with him in a central role were the one when Voyager gets shattered into different time zones, and the one where his lucid dreaming is what saves them from those sleep-based aliens. The criticism seems relatively solid, although looking at that article's other reasons Voyager was bad I can't say I agree with them all that much (it also veers randomly from complaining that the female characters aren't badass enough to complaining that the female characters are whiny, bitchy Debbie Downers, which undercuts any agreement I'd have with them. Sounds like they just wanted stereotypical dude traits in the female characters.)
There were some reshoots, there was a generic teaser image, nothing too exciting or concrete.
DrForester
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SFDebris pointed out that the producers hired an "expert" to write up some background for Chakotay. Probably unknown to the producers, the guy they hired was a fraud, and basically the Native American equivalent of the suburban white kid trying to be black.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamake_Highwater
He listed the three greatest characters on Voyager as The Doctor, Neelix, and Seven of Nine.
Ouch.
Yeah, I didn't agree with that either. Neelix was terrible. Well, to be more objective, he was polarizing, and I happen to dislike him. Neelix and Kes were the most annoying characters on the show.
Once again it was a character that on paper could have been very interesting. And I even liked him in "Caretaker", because he was very outsized but in an understandable way (assuming you buy into the whole Kazon have interstellar travel but require water contrivance, but that's another thing entirely). But after that he's mostly there to have his creepy Kes relationship and maybe throw out a line at the beginning of an episode about an alien race they'll encounter before going back to bumbling around. The series bible emphasized that he had to be cunning and a jack of all trades to survive, and yet that got immediately ditched, I guess because they wanted to push him as some zany breakout character.
(On a side note, the series bible really is a hoot. Like the Doctor being reprogrammed at will by the crew, or Paris' backstory literally being Locarno's actions in "The First Duty" but shifted out of the academy settinghow would that not still have triggered royalties to the writer?
There is a new visual guide being released. Seems to be covering TOS, Next Generation, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. Didn't see anything regarding the new films though. Should be releasing in June. You can preorder from the publishers site or Amazon and Barnes & Nobles.
http://www.startrek.com/article/the-star-trek-book-celebrates-50-years-of-trek
http://www.dk.com/us/the-star-trek-...m_campaign=20160331_the_star_trek_book_reveal
Keeping with the Janeway talk here is a example of one of the pages.
http://www.startrek.com/article/the-star-trek-book-celebrates-50-years-of-trek
http://www.dk.com/us/the-star-trek-...m_campaign=20160331_the_star_trek_book_reveal
Keeping with the Janeway talk here is a example of one of the pages.
DrForester
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Odo uses burn...
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Spiner needs work, just like Pullman.
SolidSnakeUS
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You know what, after watching Timeless again, I have to ask. Why didn't they use the slipstream in little short bursts to get home quicker? It's not perfected, but they have the ability to drop out/shutdown the quantum drive. So go for a while, then kill it. And try again later to do some more.
Because that would have made sense.
It also would have ended the show. And the producers cared more about making single-use episodes out of their random ideas than they did about having continuity and keeping track of their ideas from one episode to the next. How many shuttles did they blow up again?
SolidSnakeUS
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Don't you know that ships have unlimited shuttles? Lol. But yeah, I love Timeless, but damn that's stupid that they decide to just say fuck it and scrape it entirely. It reminds me of when they scrapped transwarp drive after Star Trek III... what?
Rewatching DS9, and I'm up to S4, E17 "Rules of Engagement". What an infuriating episode.
First of all, a Klingon Lawyer engaged in Federation-style proceedings - lulz.
The Klingons have abstained from the Khitomor Accords, there's no peace treaty, why is Starfleet even having this damn extradition hearing and giving them the time of day? Just a few episodes ago the Klingons were illegally mining space around Bajor - a freaking act of war.
A Vulcan seriously letting after-the-fact decision "guessing" from O'brien on the decision whether to fire or not into the record. Again, laughable. I swear, a real Vulcan would have shot down pretty much every argument this Klingon lawyer has tried to make since the episode started.
I'm 25 minutes in and perhaps the only redeeming qualities of this episode are some of the directorial choices from Levar Burton - such as having characters in flashback talk directly into the camera. That's something fresh that at least distracts from the stupidness of this nonsense
First of all, a Klingon Lawyer engaged in Federation-style proceedings - lulz.
The Klingons have abstained from the Khitomor Accords, there's no peace treaty, why is Starfleet even having this damn extradition hearing and giving them the time of day? Just a few episodes ago the Klingons were illegally mining space around Bajor - a freaking act of war.
A Vulcan seriously letting after-the-fact decision "guessing" from O'brien on the decision whether to fire or not into the record. Again, laughable. I swear, a real Vulcan would have shot down pretty much every argument this Klingon lawyer has tried to make since the episode started.
I'm 25 minutes in and perhaps the only redeeming qualities of this episode are some of the directorial choices from Levar Burton - such as having characters in flashback talk directly into the camera. That's something fresh that at least distracts from the stupidness of this nonsense
Escape Goat
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The box sets dont look as bad as I thought they would.
