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[BenjaminBirdie]

Oh Doom Tree, how little we knew thee.

Actually, doesn't this make the fearsome Doom Tree stronger? Free to run wild, to whap cars and motorbikes out of sky not just when it can finally emerge from the heavy shackles of the underperforming 360 architecture, breathing heavy and worn down by constant struggle, but now whenever it wants? Free from any burden whatsoever?

Fear the Doom Tree now more than ever.

For there is nothing stopping it.

 

[cyberheater]

Sometimes I think this forum is overrun by 10 year olds...

Wouldn't the world be a happier place if it was. Really.

 

[Dalauz]

retail 360 version.

I DONT CARE, DOOM TREE WILL BE ALWAYS INSIDE MY HEART

 

[vumpler]

I took a screenshot from the PS3 version and the Xbox360 version. I zoomed in to 6400x and I have to say the differences are substantial.

 

[h3ro]

That has been proven false so many times.
Get out of the game thread and head on over to the BD Player threads.

RGB should be used with computer monitors.
They have a different color range than HDTVs.

Pretty sure andrewfee will back me up on this.

I'm not andrewfee, but, I agree with you. Most people don't realize that what they think is a "better" image is just one that has lost most of its detail and is full of black crush. I don't think most of the TVs owned by people in this Forum even support any sort of expanded black setting. This is why I never understood the uproar over GameTrailers not using RGB full when they made those comparison videos.

Both PS3 and 360 output their video signals in very differnt ways, some feel the 360 is more pleasing to the eye due to its high contrast nature, while some prefer the "more accurate" (in terms of A/V output standards) look of the PS3.

 

[Cataferal]

Frankly, I think the game's all the better WITH the doom tree.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

PC version, man. Just get the PC version.

BUT THEN I NEED LIKE THE 10 BEJEUSUS BILLION DOLLARS FOR A NEW UBER PC!

LOSERS, WE'RE ALL LOSERS!!

 

[cyberheater]

So seriously. Is the pop up in the 360 now overated as the gifs were taken from a preview edition and not retail?

 

[Zombie James]

Seems like the 360 and GTA have come to a gentleman's agreement over the DOOM TREE *taps neck*

 

[Forsete]

Has there been any game that supported DTS on the PS3?

Uncharted, I know someone mentioned this but holy shit the audio in Uncharted is amazing.

 

[garrickk]

It's like you people have never played a GTA game, or any game with pop-in.

The algorithm that chooses what gets drawn/cached/textured is obviously very, very complicated-- pop-in can be MASSIVELY effected by a ton of things. For instance:

- Taking a hard right turn before starting your "video clip".
- Too many things cached into memory (you just made a loop or quick scan before you started the clip)
- The game chose a bad moment to cache a new set of cars and pedestrians
- The game chose a bad moment to deal with story elements, music shift, etc.
- Variations in lighting
- Going down the same street moments before

I bet you could drive past the "Tree of Doom" 500 times and have it pop-in on either version depending on your speed, lighting, previous location, movement before going down that street, story points, etc. Perhaps the PS3 version will show pop-in 85 times, the 360 version 92 times.

 

[Dever]

I took a screenshot from the PS3 version and the Xbox360 version. I zoomed in to 6400x and I have to say the differences are substantial.

Sorry, but I can't trust your judgment. Has to be at least 12800x for a proper comparison.

 

[Karma]

So seriously. Is the pop up in the 360 now overated as the gifs were taken from a preview edition and not retail?

All the bad pop-up gifs were not retail versions.

 

[commariodore64]

what this thread needs is more tree GIFs

You can see the tree was there in plenty of time if it popped in at all. 360 version, played from the game disc not a hard drive

Nice.

DotCal's past reveals a hankering for 360 bashing...

 

[DeadCell]

This thread makes me horny.

<3

 

[Karma]

I bet you could drive past the "Tree of Doom" 500 times and have it pop-in on either version depending on your speed, lighting, previous location, movement before going down that street, story points, etc. Perhaps the PS3 version will show pop-in 85 times, the 360 version 92 times.

DotCal said the tree poped in every time. Others are saying it never poped in. I think it is safe to say something is off with DotCals review copy.

 

[h3ro]

Nice.

DotCal's past reveals a hankering for 360 bashing...

He's getting the 360 version. Put your Fanboy Labeling Laser away.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I took a screenshot from the PS3 version and the Xbox360 version. I zoomed in to 6400x and I have to say the differences are substantial.

I did the same and was stunned at what I discovered....

 

[KeioSquad2]

This thread makes me horny.

<3

And I thought that my nipples were the only ones that were hard:lol

 

[Dalauz]

Nice.

DotCal's past reveals a hankering for 360 bashing...

maybe those gif "doom tree" free are from PS3 version.

LOT TWIST:

 

[OverHeat]

I did the same and was stunned at what I discovered....

:lol I remember that show!

 

[65536]

RGB is optimal for HDTV?

News to me.

Spoiler

not correct

RGB is the best quality you can get right now on the consumer side of things. (4:4:4 colour vs Component's compressed 4:2:2)

Whether Full RGB or Limited RGB is the best choice depends on your display, however.

Man too much crazy in this thread all over 90p!

It's actually 216,000 pixels.

1280x720 = 921,600
1120x630 = 705,600

I'd have to say, 600p or not, the PS3 version looks better to me. (opinion)

Framebuffer grab vs blurry IGN capture, different lighting, different areas. You can't really compare these.

So seriously. Is the pop up in the 360 now overated as the gifs were taken from a preview edition and not retail?

It was taken from review code, which evidently was not the final build as Dot50Cal had originally thought.

 

[EverSoTrendy]

I did the same and was stunned at what I discovered....

I feel old.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I feel old.

Hey, they could have been Smurfs or Snorks...

Or Littles...

 

[Salmonax]

Those structures look delicious.

 

[RSTEIN]

Why hasn't the title been changed to Zoomed for Your Pleasure yet.

 

[Lord Error]

- Taking a hard right turn before starting your "video clip".

Yeah, that's true. Actually hard right turns are like kryptonite for some draw-in algorithms it seems.

In fact, all of Dot50Cals gifs with the Tree Of Doom were made using the "hard right" "technique". None of them shows him approaching the TOD straight from the distance.

 

[EverSoTrendy]

It's like you people have never played a GTA game, or any game with pop-in.

The algorithm that chooses what gets drawn/cached/textured is obviously very, very complicated-- pop-in can be MASSIVELY effected by a ton of things. For instance:

- Taking a hard right turn before starting your "video clip".
- Too many things cached into memory (you just made a loop or quick scan before you started the clip)
- The game chose a bad moment to cache a new set of cars and pedestrians
- The game chose a bad moment to deal with story elements, music shift, etc.
- Variations in lighting
- Going down the same street moments before

I bet you could drive past the "Tree of Doom" 500 times and have it pop-in on either version depending on your speed, lighting, previous location, movement before going down that street, story points, etc. Perhaps the PS3 version will show pop-in 85 times, the 360 version 92 times.

GTA:SA pop in was so bad that sometimes the entire road would disappear.

 

[ScrabbleBanshee]

I did the same and was stunned at what I discovered....

360 running on 80's technology confirmed. Possibly higher resolution thanks to QEMM and Fraggles.

 

[FIREBABY]

Nice.

DotCal's past reveals a hankering for 360 bashing...

No. Just no. He's already said he was getting the 360 version. He repeatedly said what he was showing was off the HDD not retail. It's just some saw it and ran with it, even made headlines with it. Just like the PS3 resolution thing is about to be blown out of proportion. Jesus people.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Those structures look delicious.

WEMBLEY NOOOO!!!!!

 

[OverHeat]

Hey, they could have been Smurfs or Snorks...

Or Littles...

Fraggles FTW

 

[DeadCell]

And I thought that my nipples were the only ones that were hard:lol

Who said anything about nipples?

 

[nelsonroyale]

its a bit retarded that reviews give the ps3 version the slight visual edge, and the length posters are going here to disprove it...its obviously ridiculously minore, although the pop in is an issue

 

[commariodore64]

No. Just no. He's already said he was getting the 360 version. He repeatedly said what he was showing was off the HDD not retail. It's just some saw it and ran with it, even made headlines with it. Just like the PS3 resolution thing is about to be blown out of proportion. Jesus people.

Sorry - my only run ins with him on Gaf were involving him doggin the 360 - honest mistake I guess?

 

[watership]

"Pop-in isn't so bad, and here's proof"
"You can't compare shots from different times of day, and in different locations. That's not a comparison."

Logic and reason is going to RUIN this thread. Where is mikeb 4 paragraph post about how brainwave patterns of someone playing on PS3 are more uniform than on someone playing on 360?

 

[tfur]

As much as I was looking forward to Doom Tree at least this shows the 360 does not suffer from horrible pop-up like many here were hoping.

To be honest, someone here with the retail 360 version was able to reproduce this... it was just a page or so back. He did mention that if he drove in "first person view" it was not really evident. The kotaku guy was here saying there is a bit of pop-in on the 360...

Another person was NOT able to reproduce the TreeOfDoom... and these gifs seem to support that as well...

Either way, it doesn't really matter... Either reviews mean something to you or they don't...

I gave up on reviews after GS said Ratchet was "too spicy" and Uncharted was "too hard"...

 

[FrankT]

"Pop-in isn't so bad, and here's proof"
"You can't compare shots from different times of day, and in different locations. That's not a comparison."

Logic and reason is going to RUIN this thread. Where is mikeb 4 paragraph post about how brainwave patterns of someone playing on PS3 are more uniform than on someone playing on 360?

wat

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

its a bit retarded that reviews give the ps3 version the slight visual edge, and the length posters are going here to disprove it...its obviously ridiculously minore, although the pop in is an issue

It seems like equal lengths were gone to do both. We have people playing the final retail build now. I'd expect, unless we all get hired by gaming mags this afternoon, that would be the ultimate benchmark, wouldn't it?

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

It was taken from review code, which evidently was not the final build as Dot50Cal had originally thought.

Well, damn! this could effect the reviews we've seen so for.

 

[borghe]

Fraggles FTW

Fraggle Rock

they are dozers.

 

[dallow_bg]

RGB is the best quality you can get right now on the consumer side of things. (4:4:4 colour vs Component's compressed 4:2:2)

Whether Full RGB or Limited RGB is the best choice depends on your display, however.

Whether Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr or RGB also depends on your display, and that's the most important factor.

 

[Kauza]

Fraggle Rock

they are dozers.

Boober Rules.

 

[Salmonax]

WEMBLEY NOOOO!!!!!

:lol

 

[OverHeat]

Fraggle Rock

they are dozers.

Loved the theme song
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TSDeoO-j3G0

 

[Stop It]

myth busted!

I'm watching Mythbusters at the moment, (They're playing with Elephant dung, nice), so that made me :lol

Oh, less than 6 hours til I can get meh GTA4, give it to me now, NOW damnit, oh, and this thread is great, so currently the PS3 version Looks sharper, Has less pop-in, runs at a fractionally faster fps, and is on PS3, got it.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

It's like you people have never played a GTA game, or any game with pop-in.

The algorithm that chooses what gets drawn/cached/textured is obviously very, very complicated-- pop-in can be MASSIVELY effected by a ton of things. For instance:

- Taking a hard right turn before starting your "video clip".
- Too many things cached into memory (you just made a loop or quick scan before you started the clip)
- The game chose a bad moment to cache a new set of cars and pedestrians
- The game chose a bad moment to deal with story elements, music shift, etc.
- Variations in lighting
- Going down the same street moments before

I bet you could drive past the "Tree of Doom" 500 times and have it pop-in on either version depending on your speed, lighting, previous location, movement before going down that street, story points, etc. Perhaps the PS3 version will show pop-in 85 times, the 360 version 92 times.

while you're absolutely right, the fact that the ps3 loads date *only* off the hard drive while the 360 version loads from dvd if the thing is not cached, it's much less likely that there will be pop-in on the ps3 because HD seek times are so much better.

it seems to me that R* did everything they could to get the ps3 version up to par performance-wise.

 

[PatzCU]

Pop-in or not, the first thing I do in GTA will be running a car into Doom Tree in honor of this awful thread.

 

[CowboyAstronaut]

Ahh so it seems I wasn't entirely crazy?

Would you look at that

 

[Karma]

I'm watching Mythbusters at the moment, (They're playing with Elephant dung, nice), so that made me :lol

Oh, less than 6 hours til I can get meh GTA4, give it to me now, NOW damnit, oh, and this thread is great, so currently the PS3 version Looks sharper, Has less pop-in, runs at a fractionally faster fps, and is on PS3, got it.

You can scratch out faster fps too. Both version have the same framerate.