Not much of it matters outside of Amuro and Char's rivalry and the distinction between their ideals.
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Not much of it matters outside of Amuro and Char's rivalry and the distinction between their ideals.
JadedWriter
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Me and only like 10 other people in here like Victory Gundam, it's not for everybody, but those that "got it" like it a lot.
Valdfellgar
Banned
I would be interested to know what you, and others, enjoyed about it. I did enjoy just how brutal it was, with the whole slew of deaths and brutality that extended throughout Victory's run.
JadedWriter
Member
I liked it's outlook on how bleak and fucked up war is. I didn't exactly like how it treated women, but I find Katejina to be a great female villain though. It's definitely a show that went over the top on certain aspects. Mobile suits are weird but I do like some of the stuff from later on in the series. I also like how Uso has killed more people that Heero, seriously the kid was a beast.
I had no real problem with the story, but you could tell he intended for it to be longer. And, yeah, G Reco is great too because of the Tominoisms.
Valdfellgar
Banned
Is that directed at me? I mean, I guess I just prefer my Tomino style Gundam slightly more restrained.
JadedWriter
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Which Tomino style Gundam is restrained?
Valdfellgar
Banned
I feel the original, zeta and counterattack are at least more restrained than Victory or Reco in G. Even F91 doesn't get quite as crazy or thick as either of those two.
JadedWriter
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Zeta is definitely chockful of Tominoism's, but it at least takes itself more seriously in my opinion. I think with those it's hard to see how batshit the man is, but Turn A is also full Tomino, but it's still pretty good as well.
Valdfellgar
Banned
Oh boy, I bought Turn A on DVD so I guess I can look forward to this. How comparable in tone is Turn A to Victory or say Zeta? Where does it sit?
JadedWriter
Member
It's honestly it's very own thing to tell you the truth. It's weird in spots and not as action focused. It's more on the characters, but I think within 10 eps you'll discover if you like it or not.
Valdfellgar
Banned
Well, I don't have much of a choice if I like it or not lol, I love Gundam as a whole, so I'm resigned to watch em all eventually. Been working through them by chronological release date when I can for the last few years. Either rewatching ones I've seen or filling the gaps of what I missed. Just finish G Gundam with my wife actually, which she loved and she mostly dislikes Mecha in general.
But my interest is peaked for when I finally get to Turn A, glad to hear it's its own thing.
JadedWriter
Member
Don't expect a ton of mecha fighting to be honest, it's definitely more character driven. It should probably be one of the last ones you watch as well, you'll probably appreciate it more.
Valdfellgar
Banned
Why would watching it last make me appreciate it more? I don't have anything against less combat driven Gundam, 0080 is one of my favorites for example.
JadedWriter
Member
I'm just saying that cause it's tonally different from most Gundam shows.
Valdfellgar
Banned
Thanks for resetting my expectations. I really didn't know what to expect from it. I'd never be given much an idea of its tone/feel other than "amazing Gundam" so at least I have a better idea of what to expect going in once I finally get to it.
Doesn't it make reference to a lot of them too? I've been told it's best to see all UC and AU stuff released up until Turn A to get the most out of it.
Still going through 08th MS Team - ironically I have way less time for watching this stuff on weekends than weekdays!
So I just found out that they had announced Blu-ray remasters of G Gundam for release in Japan with the first coming out Tuesday,
What exactly is the nature of the deal with RightStuf? So far they've been releasing all the UC main series and are now up through ZZ and also released Char's Counterattack. They seem to be doing the recent series like Build Fighters and G-Reco.
But what about Wing, Seed and now G? The former two have had blu-rays for quite some time now and Wing is fairly popular in the West unless I am mistaken.
What exactly is the nature of the deal with RightStuf? So far they've been releasing all the UC main series and are now up through ZZ and also released Char's Counterattack. They seem to be doing the recent series like Build Fighters and G-Reco.
But what about Wing, Seed and now G? The former two have had blu-rays for quite some time now and Wing is fairly popular in the West unless I am mistaken.
JadedWriter
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If it does it's probably towards the back 10 eps that I've never seen, it has a couple of old school suits, but it's definitely its own thing.
It's different. Loran Cehack is no Kamille or Amuro and frankly it's for the better.
No it is not, it is just a general statement i tend to see here slandering Tomino as some false god and hack that is past his prime. Like Inafune and Itagaki and countless others.
But Tomino is different! His work still has meaning and appeal.
JadedWriter
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Is G Reco better than Macross Delta?
Valdfellgar
Banned
I can agree with that. I don't think too highly of some of his work, but I don't see them as more than missteps and I think he probably has plenty of ideas still churning around in his head, I guess the question would be can he form them into a wide reaching appealing series. I think he can, but if Reco G's episode count getting cut is anything to go by he'll need to work towards tightening his message.
Animation wise, yeah. I'm not comparing the stories.
Have you seen his non-Gundam stuff?
So remember how Hillary Clinton was a fan of the iDOLM@STER?
Turns out she's a fan of Freyja Wion as well.
Turns out she's a fan of Freyja Wion as well.
JadedWriter
Member
Nightmare fuel.
The Sum of Zero
Member
So remember how Hillary Clinton was a fan of the iDOLM@STER?
Turns out she's a fan of Freyja Wion as well.
All the more reason to vote for her.
Valdfellgar
Banned
I've unfortunately never had the opportunity.
Finished with 08th MS Team. It was pretty good. Not entirely what I had imagined though. I was expecting like a Vietnam War inspired, realistic Gundam but it wasn't really that. The final epilogue episode was kind of odd too.
On to Thunderbolt next and then Unicorn. Still not decided as to whether to watch the OVAs or recent series for Unicorn though.
On to Thunderbolt next and then Unicorn. Still not decided as to whether to watch the OVAs or recent series for Unicorn though.
davidwhangchoi
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i actually watched 08th MS team a few days right before and felt they should've left out the epilogue.
since you've watched zeta and ZZ, Unicorn is going to be a good experience
JadedWriter
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You want realistic ground mech combat than watch Armor Trooper Votoms and Armor Hunter Mellowlink...don't even bother looking for DVD's of these.
Ceallach
Smells like fresh rosebuds
A big issue was that the original writer and director died during production, that's why the tonal shift is so sharp.
And yeah the epilogue is the worst. Shiro is a deserter and deserters deserve death. Speaking as a combat veteran of 10 years, Sonim a bit biased.
JadedWriter
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Shit, I had no idea you were a boot on the ground, explains why you care so much about the aesthetic and proper military procedure. I honestly thought you were like an officer or mess hall cook or some weird non combatant shit like that. Didn't 8 MS Team go through several directors? I thought it was more than one.
Valdfellgar
Banned
That's sad, although it looks like it was just the director, the writer survived (wrote 1-9, and the original drafts for 10-11 from what I just read) but jumped ship before the final episodes for a new writer, which probably only aided in a tone shift.
I haven't watched 8th MS in years, but when I get back to it I'll be on the look out for that shift between directors and writers.
Ceallach
Smells like fresh rosebuds
Nah, I'm Counter Rocket Artillery and Mortar and was one of the few female QRF members (necessary for handling female local nationals). I wasn't like infantry kicking in doors every day, but I was very much a combatant.
JadedWriter
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Not Gunpla but man the new Gojulas by kotobukiya looks amazing. They're even issuing the extra parts separately for those who have the old kit and want the extra firepower. They completely dwarf the average Zoid, which is not surprising considering the Gojulas is larger than PG Gundams.
Looks like someone doesn't believe love can blossom on the battlefield
Looks like someone doesn't believe love can blossom on the battlefield
But this is a Gundam show where desertion and everything winding up okay was pioneered by Amuro Ray himself.
Yea that zoid is amazing.Not Gunpla but man the new Gojulas by kotobukiya looks amazing. They're even issuing the extra parts separately for those who have the old kit and want the extra firepower. They completely dwarf the average Zoid, which is not surprising considering the Gojulas is larger than PG Gundams.
Looks like someone doesn't believe love can blossom on the battlefield
Execution for desertion is too primitive and wouldn't have worked because shiro was a decorated combatant. He would of been jailed
Ceallach
Smells like fresh rosebuds
I'm willing to give Amuro a little more leeway because he was enlisted first and also conscripted very much against his will and a very bizarre way. He didn't even go to basic training until March of 0080.
Shiro was a comissioned officer, an ensign, and their platoon leader. He was way Senior to Amuro.
SoundPulse
Banned
Amuro also had the advantage of Bright needing him and the White Base being on its own in enemy territory. He more than likely would have been executed for his stunt otherwise.
JadedWriter
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Didn't Amuro pay for it in Zeta since they had his ass locked up? I think the only reason why Amuro wasn't straight up hung was because they viewed him as a war hero.
SoundPulse
Banned
I was under the impression that was more due to his Newtype Hax rather than that one time he stole the Gundam. I'd imagine Bright didn't even report it.
Pretty sure the White Base crew mentions that very reason right after he leaves. By contrast, Shiro wasn't important so nobody from the military bothered to check whether he'd survived or not.
JadedWriter
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I thought the military had him under house arrest for something more official. The guy does know a lot of shit.
Valdfellgar
Banned
It's also probably for the best considering Shiro's ideology shifted so much he couldn't have possibly continued as a soldier, not with any real benefit to the federation. Also isn't he a
cripple
JadedWriter
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Amuro isn't crippled. Emotionally crippled yes, but not physically. Kamille's a different story though.
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