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The Gundam |OT2| Another 5 years of Gunpla, Origins, and GUNDAMUUUU!
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JadedWriter
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Probably Amuro or peak condition Kamille or Domon or Heero.
Valkerionseven
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If its a non gundam fight, Domon or Heero easy. One is a master martial artist, the other is a trained killing machine with no emotion lol.
If its with Gundam's... Setsuna because "SCIENCE!" but Kira because... its freaking Kira.
If its with Gundam's... Setsuna because "SCIENCE!" but Kira because... its freaking Kira.
If it were just a character and their main suit (and whatever it comes with).
No extra bonuses, alleged 'plot armor', newtype fuckery, etc...
1 v 1 in some hypothetical battle royale.
Who is the last one standing?
JadedWriter
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But Kira is a bootleg newtype at best no way he would take down the real thing.
Valkerionseven
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Then yeah, Setsuna and the OO/Quanta take your pick.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantization_(physics)
JadedWriter
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Setsuna only wins cause he's a physics breaking metal grade lizard man.
He's a coordinator and a newtype (lol)
and he pilots the most bullshit OP suit Strike Freedom
Or this
This most likely.
The only thing thing that stands up to it is Turn A but Loran lacks a killer drive.
The next possible entrant is Heero depending on the armor, as it stands Snow White is nearly OO lvls of broken with an upgraded Gundanium Armor which is already possibly the strongest Gundam armor we've seen and Zero System is instantaneous and never wrong.
However while it can block the Moonlight depending on its cloak, OOq can teleport pretty much and that speed and attack power would likely still eat up the Snow White.
Pilot?
Domon rips up everyone in his sleep.
Second is Heero. Above human strength lvls, trained in several martial arts, trained killer and little to zero pain to the point broken and displaced bones do not slow him down. Tactically he crushes everyone aside from maybe Amuro who possibly can read his moves if Heero does anything other then act on instinct.
Charm and picking up the ladies?
Judau shows all the losers how it's done and makes a big body look good
The Sum of Zero
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Got zero replies of enthusiasm/disdain to my post with the scan so I think you and I are the only ones that care.
Valkerionseven
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Thought it looked cool but the whole RG thing turned me off to it.
Fairly sure Wubby only cares in the negative for Wing.
I really care, love Wing Ew.
However on this board Wing isn't overly popular, so it's better to avoid that one for the most part.
Paltheos
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I'll give disdain, if you're looking for it. Wing EW is the weakest of the Wing designs imo, worse than both the TV Wings and Wing Zero EW. Reusing the WZC frame is sensible for Bandai but disappointing to me, here, as I've viewed RGs as a more specialized, premium line and Wing EW isn't particularly distinguished or interesting. I'm not the biggest fan of it (I'm one of those people who likes the Justice more than the successor), but even the Infinite Justice would have been more exciting since it does more differently from its original than the Wings. I was also expecting something a little more exciting as Bandai's been pretty quick with announcing RGs around the release time of the newest one and we hadn't heard anything for a while after the Red Frame came out. I thought they had something big in the oven. Plus there was that teaser a while back hinting that the WZC frame might be used to make some of the other 4 EW Gundams. (We got an AC Gundam, anyway, just not one we were expecting)
More disappointment than disdain. Don't really feel much disdain actually, but definitely a negative emotional reaction.
Getter Ark would be up there as and of course you have things like Demonsbane.In a non-Gundam fight, Char because his cunning and he will find a way to fuck you over. No need for a fair fight. Master Asia > Domon anyway.
In a Gundam fight. This guy.
However I hate this level of power, it does utterly nothing except be for bullshit sake.
Not high to mid level is fun like Grendizer, Mazin Kaiser, and that kinda thing I can jam to all day.
I feel like there is no way an AU fight could be even remotely fair, because while the UC may have the occasional Newtype ass pull, fuckery abounds through out the AU series.
There would need to be rules and limits in place. I considered the Turn A/Moonlight Butterfly but I didn't even think about the Quanta.
And I want to keep this to animated Gundam series. Frozen Teardrop is its own brand of overpowered BS.
Our Lord and Saviour, no contest.
Wait, if it's the main suit, than wouldn't Loran win by default? Turn A is the most broken suit at all, with the maybe possible exception of G-Self.
If it was just UC Suits, Unicorn Destroy Mode is pretty damn broken. Do you use funnels? Well, you're screwed. It has massive i-field shields to block most beam stuff. As far as UC stuff goes, Unicorn is pretty silly.
Haha.. I do care actually! I much prefer this to the other wing that they released first. I was actually about to order a resin conversion to make this version. I forget who (im on mobile) but one of the chinese resin companies was doing a conversion for this...
I just really wanted something from UC to be next RG. I'm happy jt's not 00/Seed. Though I wouod prefer a Tallgeese or Epyon to another Wing...
Give us Tallgeese Flugel. Tallgeese with Angel Wings and a Lance >>>>> Wing Zero Custom.
Tallgeese Flugel looks terrible. The lance is awesome, but that suit was not meant to have wings.
If it's anime only?
Yeah Wing Zero and Heero drops to fight between Nu/God/Strike Freedom for number three.
Very few things are standing up to Turn A and OO from the animes.
Where to we rank G-Self Perfect and Unicorn? Unicorn can fight against a lot of the top tier suits, but loses to some closer range beasts or broken stuff like Turn A. Nu and SF are destroyed by Unicorn's ND system. G-Self Perfect looks amazing powerful, but a lot of its power seems to be sort of unknown.
If we put mechs aside and focus just on pilots, then it can be a pretty interesting contest. For one, I will be controversial and say that Amuro would be beaten by Kamille and Judau pretty handily. He is just nowhere near as powerful of a Newtype as those two. For that matter, I don't think any Newtype or Newtype knock-off in the franchise really compares to Kamille and Judau. Well, I haven't watched everything, so I can't really speak for, say, Gundam X or the later parts of Unicorn.
In terms of sheer basic piloting skill, it is a tough match-up between Heero Yui and the SEEDs. Heero gets credit for being able to wipe out armies using nothing but a Leo. The Wing pilots don't even need the Zero system to be in the top class of fighting skill. While the SEEDs are really impressive in their own series, they don't really display skill that necessarily tops anything you see pilots from other series pull off.
On the lower end skill wise, you get pilots like Setsuna F. Seiei, who kinda does need to rely on his machine to carry him most of the time. It is only Allelujah, Soma, and Graham who show off real high-level skill in OO.
I would say Domon, but I have no idea if he can pilot a mobile suit that doesn't use the mobile trace system. Of course, he could probably beat Char in a Zaku with his bare hands.
In terms of sheer basic piloting skill, it is a tough match-up between Heero Yui and the SEEDs. Heero gets credit for being able to wipe out armies using nothing but a Leo. The Wing pilots don't even need the Zero system to be in the top class of fighting skill. While the SEEDs are really impressive in their own series, they don't really display skill that necessarily tops anything you see pilots from other series pull off.
On the lower end skill wise, you get pilots like Setsuna F. Seiei, who kinda does need to rely on his machine to carry him most of the time. It is only Allelujah, Soma, and Graham who show off real high-level skill in OO.
I would say Domon, but I have no idea if he can pilot a mobile suit that doesn't use the mobile trace system. Of course, he could probably beat Char in a Zaku with his bare hands.
JadedWriter
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To be honest I haven't finished G Reco so I have no right judging it.
NT-D is crazy strong but it's generally a temp boost meaning Amuro, Kira, Heero could wait it out.
I fields are a problem regardless but Melee and Zero Plasma based Buster can get around it.
So it is a contender but I don't think Banager and Unicorn occupy top 5.
Since I was able to play Gundam Ex Vs-Force on Thursday during the TGS, I'll share my impressions here.
The game looked jaggy, the obvious lack of anti-aliasing was clearly visible. I've never played Gundam Breaker 2 on the Vita, so I can't say if it looked better or worse than that.
On the other hand, everything was really smooth and I didn't encounter any framerate drops.
The demo consisted of 3 single player missions, 2 of which were a simple battle against a few enemy units and the last one was all about capturing points from the enemy. Nothing too difficult, but iirc in the last one you could order your allies to do certain things, so a degree of strategy was involved.
The most worrying part is that according to the game information on the booth, the only multiplayer feature is a 1-2 player ad-hoc mode. I know that ad-hoc was announced in the trailer, but some people were hoping that it will have online as well, since it was the same with GB2 - only ad-hoc being highlighted at first, while the infrastructure mode was in the game too.
Sadly, the teaser site has the same information as the booth, so I wouldn't hold my breath for an online mode.
With that in mind, I'm not too excited about the game. Sure, it was decent, but I think I'd rather buy the PS3 Ex Vs again to play against other people than get the Vita version.
The game looked jaggy, the obvious lack of anti-aliasing was clearly visible. I've never played Gundam Breaker 2 on the Vita, so I can't say if it looked better or worse than that.
On the other hand, everything was really smooth and I didn't encounter any framerate drops.
The demo consisted of 3 single player missions, 2 of which were a simple battle against a few enemy units and the last one was all about capturing points from the enemy. Nothing too difficult, but iirc in the last one you could order your allies to do certain things, so a degree of strategy was involved.
The most worrying part is that according to the game information on the booth, the only multiplayer feature is a 1-2 player ad-hoc mode. I know that ad-hoc was announced in the trailer, but some people were hoping that it will have online as well, since it was the same with GB2 - only ad-hoc being highlighted at first, while the infrastructure mode was in the game too.
Sadly, the teaser site has the same information as the booth, so I wouldn't hold my breath for an online mode.
With that in mind, I'm not too excited about the game. Sure, it was decent, but I think I'd rather buy the PS3 Ex Vs again to play against other people than get the Vita version.
Valkerionseven
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Yeah Only watched the last episode once but if I remember right it was kind of a "the other "newtypes" were only knocking at the door of power compared to this guy" type things.
JadedWriter
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Why is the most boring newtype the most powerful one?
Valkerionseven
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He never went on a psychotic rampage like the others either. I mean he was angry at Full Frontal like once but other than that, Benny boy was the most normal protagonist I've seen in an anime. Even with having his dad do... w/e that was to him lol.
JadedWriter
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I guess this is what happens to a Gundam protag when they don't have that much to do in their lives any way. I know he experimented on Banana but it's not like he really remembers anything about it and held any kind of ill will about it. Compare that to Kamille whom hated his parents and even his name.
Loran never takes full advantage of the Turn A's destructive capabilities because of his desire not to kill people. He only activates the Moonlight Butterfly twice if I remember correctly: Once to protect Queen Diana Soreil from a missile barrage, and the second time to counter the Turn X's own Moonlight Butterfly.
So Loran would probably not be using the Moonlight Butterfly against the other Gundam pilots unless it were the only way to protect those close to him. Similarly, his offensive strategy would be focused on disabling the other Gundams without killing them unless absolutely necessary. Loran is willing to kill, but will only do so after exhausting all practical options.
Not to mention that Loran, while good by Turn A standards, isn't near as good of a pilot as some other Gundam protagonists. Turn A in general has a lower skill level because the pilots on both sides have no combat experience with mobile suits and have to learn as the show progresses. Only Harry Ord can really be called an ace pilot.
rrvv
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I assume the mobile suit share same moveset with arcade/console counterpart. as in no gimping and such
I mean I don't think Domon can beat teleporting, but he did magically create 4 physical copies of himself and his gundam with Burning Shadow so that needs to count for something.
The question of which pilot wins in a fight just reminds me of one of the reasons I enjoy G Gundam so much is that the pilots can all actually handle themselves in a fight if outside their suits, to one degree or another. The same can't be said for basically all other gundam shows. So yeah pure hand to hand no suit shenanigans, Domon wins.
With the suits I don't know how hyper mode ranks up to shit like newtypes, transam, and whatever the fuck SEED had. So it'd probably be just Domon using burning shadow to try and deal with everything or something.
Picked up the Dom R-35! Been some time since I last built a bulky suit like that.
Domon could probably punch some of their mobile suits to death.
Domon could probably punch some of their mobile suits to death.
This isn't true at all.
We have three different series where it's a plot point that the pilots physical prowess is very much exceptional.
That said I do agree, Domon wins this with relative ease.
And it's Asia who actually uses his fist to take out some grunts not Domon.
Burning Shadow on its own isn't going to be to much of a threat if they can get by Domon as a fighter, one of the things that make the majority of pilots unique with in their story is that they are a destructive force that can pretty much destroy whole armies by the selves.
Also far as Power Ups go, SEED is one of the weakest overall. As it stands it ups their ability but even in SEED the majority of time there abilities do nothing to stand out as better compared to the skills of a skilled fighter like Amuro/Domon/Heero/Seabook has shown.
The whole point of the SEED mode stuff is that the pilots become exceptional in all things, whether it be piloting an MS or being in a physical fight. It's something tied to the pilot, not to a suit, so that gives them a huge advantage. In a physical fight, Domon wins, but I'm not sure he wins it in an even MS fight. G just operates on such a different ruleset. It's hard to tell how good of a pilot in general Domon is.
While true it's hard to gauge SEED's non suit combat as we never see them make real use of it.
Even in SEED Kira has Hi Mat assisting with the the targeting by the comp.
That said there is no denying Kira is going to place high regardless of rule set, it just comes down to how much you put stock in the SEED power up.
It's similar to the fact we know Zero has some level of Sentience, we've seen it move and almost address Heero when he is outside of it, however it's always been debated how far this actually goes.
Overall that is one thing SEED, Wing and G have. Each of the series it's the pilots that are the main source of danger and not the suits themselves.
I don't know. Tieria Erde being an immortal AI with an infinite supply of bodies and being able to pilot as many suits as he wants + Innovade bullshit makes him pretty hard to beat.
I'd say Tieria wins. Everyone else would be held back from conventional human restrictions.
Tieria was the main character of 00 not Setsuna (｡◕ฺˇε ˇ◕ฺ｡）
I'd say Tieria wins. Everyone else would be held back from conventional human restrictions.
Tieria was the main character of 00 not Setsuna (｡◕ฺˇε ˇ◕ฺ｡）
Yeah but I wouldn't put it past Domon to be able to at least take put grunts with his bare hands.
JadedWriter
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Of course he could, dude was trained by a man that bitch smacks demon Nazi Zakus with his bare hands.
I don't doubt it in the least.
Despite my dislike of G I don't doubt Domon's prowess and it's why I think he can beat the sEEDs and a genetically enhanced super soldier.
The Sum of Zero
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G is a completely different beast from any other Gundam. IMO it's hard to have an vs thing with stuff from it against any other series just because of the insane martial arts.
You're talking about Seed and Wing with this right? I'll admit I haven't seen either one of those completely, but in Wing at least isn't Heero the only one who's capable in a hand to hand fight? I don't know much about the other protagonists but they don't seem to be that combat saavy outside their suits, though like I said I haven't really watched it.
Also, even while true that these other two series places an importance on the physical power of the protagonist, these three are vastly outnumbered by the series that do not place that sort of significance for the pilots. Especially in basically all of the UC shows.
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