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The Gundam |OT2| Another 5 years of Gunpla, Origins, and GUNDAMUUUU!
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JadedWriter
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Is Setsuna the most Gundam obsessed protag? I know Wufei named Shenlog and Altron after his dead wife essentially and Duo had conversations with his, but I don't think they were as bad as Setsuna.
It depends on how sentient you believe the Wing Zero to be.
Heero treats the Zero at times like its concious and aware of his thoughts which is a much stronger connection then either Duo or WuFei.
JadedWriter
Member
But I thought that could be explained because Wing Zero essentially jacks into your brain and messes around with your thought processes. So Heero thinking it's sentient in a way does make some sense. The other two are essentially just conversing with inanimate objects that they project human consciousness onto. I'm just remembering that even Quatre spoke to Sandrock...Wing crew is fucking nuts.
Sei being brainwashed and then not snapping out of it until he gets through the series is hilarious.
Well its more then that with Heero. Zero has activily activated and responded to him when he is outside the cockpit if you remember the scene in the hanger.
JadedWriter
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Is that the scene when him and Quatre decided to go back to earth? Why would assume it to have some kind of sentience since it mind raped half the cast.
No. Its completely different. Its a scene later where Zero's eyes flash and not when he is half dead from the explosion.
JadedWriter
Member
This the episode where they are taken hostage and Heero goes nuts in Zero again and Quatre fights him in a busted up Mercurius or is this a different one?
That is the one i thought you referened earlier. Ill rewatch it later but its after. They are in the hangar Zero eyes power on and Heero responds.
Then in Endless Waltz Zero activates when Heero is out cold and wakes him up. It is a cool concept they did nothing with (Zero becomes to OP in Frozen so they screwed it up there to) and one of the big failings of Wing.
JadedWriter
Member
I really should rewatch Wing again, it's one of the AU's that I actually like even though it gets a lot of flack on here for some odd reason. Granted it's pretty much boy band Gundam, but I always liked it. Wing Zero being OP is probably one of the reasons why I don't like it too much. I think the only main character suits I have liked have been the EZ 8 and Zeta and I honestly don't think the Zeta itself was that OP, Kamille just got lucky or saved at the right moment at times...that and he didn't cut loose and just opt to end fools till the very end.
sixteen-bit
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Wing rocks and the dub is pretty good imo especially folks like Treize shoutouts to toonami for popularizing Gundam in the west
JadedWriter
Member
I think half the Wing cast is either in Beast Wars with the other half being in Xmen Evolution. I think half the cast was in everything until 00, Swaile was in everything I think.
My Dragon Momoko MG Akatsuki arrived today. I've built the torso, head and an arm and I thought I'd throw in my initial thoughts to go with Shun's.
-First of all, the packaging is really nice. Different from Bandai's, but still feels like a premium product. Having bought some 'unofficial' Transformers and Gundam resins before, this is is by far the nicest packaging I've seen on this type of product. Nothing feels cheap or thrown together here. The manual is particularly nice. It's basically a PG style manual.
-Plastic quality is noticeably different than Bandai's. It isn't bad, just different. It's much harder, which I'm afraid will make it more brittle, but no signs of that so far. It doesn't show nub marks near as much, but it also causes a much tighter fit.
-Speaking of the fit, this is one of the places the kit definitely feels lower quality. It's not bad by any means, but stuff takes a bit more work than it would on an official kit. Polycaps are also noticeably worse quality and much tougher rubber, but it doesn't seem to hurt joint quality. The fit on the head is probably the worse so far. I found if you put the side antenna in the head halves before putting them on the skull (the opposite of the instruction order), it works much better.
-Engineering wise, it's a bit of a mishmash of different styles. It feels like a regular MG, a RG and a Ver. Ka thrown into a blender. I'd say engineering quality is above the typical MG, but still lower than a Ver. Ka. Color choices really pop, though I can see some disliking the multi gold style. The build has been very long and pretty complex, but very enjoyable.
-The gold finish is awesome. Super tough and has a nice sheen to it. Definitely a top tier gold plastic color.
-Looking at the instructions, the Shiranui Pack seems to have noticeably worse color separation than the rest of the kit. I would not be surprised if it was a pretty straight copy of the 1/100 HG.
-I wish the decals were waterslides, but you can't win them all.
-The Ver. Ka hands are Ver. Ka in form only. In function, they are terrible. Taking one out, I could basically see it start to tear itself to pieces. Luckily, the kit includes almost any fixed hand you could want. I instantly switched to those and don't plan to go back. Bandai is still king for completely posable hands.
Overall, the kit is super impressive so far. I did not expect it to be so professional. Assuming DM stays around to pick up the suits Bandai misses, they are definitely one to watch. Really digging their style.
-First of all, the packaging is really nice. Different from Bandai's, but still feels like a premium product. Having bought some 'unofficial' Transformers and Gundam resins before, this is is by far the nicest packaging I've seen on this type of product. Nothing feels cheap or thrown together here. The manual is particularly nice. It's basically a PG style manual.
-Plastic quality is noticeably different than Bandai's. It isn't bad, just different. It's much harder, which I'm afraid will make it more brittle, but no signs of that so far. It doesn't show nub marks near as much, but it also causes a much tighter fit.
-Speaking of the fit, this is one of the places the kit definitely feels lower quality. It's not bad by any means, but stuff takes a bit more work than it would on an official kit. Polycaps are also noticeably worse quality and much tougher rubber, but it doesn't seem to hurt joint quality. The fit on the head is probably the worse so far. I found if you put the side antenna in the head halves before putting them on the skull (the opposite of the instruction order), it works much better.
-Engineering wise, it's a bit of a mishmash of different styles. It feels like a regular MG, a RG and a Ver. Ka thrown into a blender. I'd say engineering quality is above the typical MG, but still lower than a Ver. Ka. Color choices really pop, though I can see some disliking the multi gold style. The build has been very long and pretty complex, but very enjoyable.
-The gold finish is awesome. Super tough and has a nice sheen to it. Definitely a top tier gold plastic color.
-Looking at the instructions, the Shiranui Pack seems to have noticeably worse color separation than the rest of the kit. I would not be surprised if it was a pretty straight copy of the 1/100 HG.
-I wish the decals were waterslides, but you can't win them all.
-The Ver. Ka hands are Ver. Ka in form only. In function, they are terrible. Taking one out, I could basically see it start to tear itself to pieces. Luckily, the kit includes almost any fixed hand you could want. I instantly switched to those and don't plan to go back. Bandai is still king for completely posable hands.
Overall, the kit is super impressive so far. I did not expect it to be so professional. Assuming DM stays around to pick up the suits Bandai misses, they are definitely one to watch. Really digging their style.
The Sum of Zero
Member
I think that's the episode where Heero sticks the Zero System in Sandrock.
I believe so yes.
Zero is aware that Heero is doing this, speaks to Heero unprovoked and then Heero responds directly to it.
Rex Griswold
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There's a fall sale on HLJ from now till the 16th I believe.
Has anyone built the MG Hyaku-Shiki 2.0? What are your thoughts on it? Would you say it's worth jumping on while on sale for 35% off or meh?
Thanks in advance!
Has anyone built the MG Hyaku-Shiki 2.0? What are your thoughts on it? Would you say it's worth jumping on while on sale for 35% off or meh?
Thanks in advance!
Every review I've seen has come away absolutely raving about it. I'm super tempted to grab it. If only there weren't so many MP Transformers coming next year, I could easily justify biting.
To be fair, I think the Sandrock opens up the cockpit to tell Quatre to get out and board the spacecraft in that episode where they were all launching into space. The machine seems to act independently of the pilot's commands in that scene. Between that and the aforementioned episode where the Wing Zero seems to be chatting with Heero, Gundam Wing sometimes gives the impression that the Gundams might actually be intelligent. Considering that it is the series that had entire armies of AI controlled Mobile Dolls, it isn't even a very large stretch.
Of course, it is an idea that is as underdeveloped as "The Heart of Space" that comes up once in a while. I love Gundam Wing on the whole, but it does have some odd parts.
It's absolutely great. While lacking in gimmicks, it's just an all around solid model.
Are these the decals you got? I am 99% sure that I got waterslides with my kit. Not dry transfers.
Every other person I know for waterslides too.
The frame itself is like 80-90% Bandai Strike Remaster MG if you've ever built that too. Kit was such a joy to build.
How were your issues with the parts fitting? Did you have to sand some down like I did? Hands definitely sucked.
How were the beam effect parts? I loved them.
I'm keeping an eye out for this company, they're doing an MG Destiny Gundam Metal Build Version that comes with the Wing of Lights and I'm looking forward to that one. Basically Metal Build Destiny in MG Gunpla form.
I reviewed it a couple months ago in this thread.
I would have to say that it is one of the BEST Master Grade suits I have built so far. The undergating and the premium feel is second to none and I think all the positives outweigh the slight negatives.
Only issue is like 2 or 3 nubs, the rest are completely covered up, take your time building this undergated kit. Gloss coat it first. Articulation is amazing, colour separation is amazing, best HANDS I've had on a gundam, it's great.
From ¥6800 to as low as ¥4000, this price is a fucking steal. Grab it now before it goes up.
They are waterslides? They sort of looked like normal marking decals to me. The lack of a blue sheet fooled me! There goes that complaint.
The fit has been tight, but I haven't had to sand anything yet. I could've probably used it to get the eye piece in, but clamping it real tightly finally got it in. Hands needed a ton of nub cleaning, but they eventually worked fine on the one set I've built so far.
Beam effects are amazing. I wish Bandai included effect parts like this. Yes, this stylization doesn't happen in the show, but it goes a long way in suggesting action in a model that's not in motion. Really glad to see the RX-78-2 Origin has those missile and vulcan effects.
It uses the strike remaster frame? I knew it reused DM's strike frame, but I had no clue if it was based on the Strike or the Strike RM. Definitely a kit that's on my list to grab someday, but I just haven't yet. Interested to see how their MG Metal Build Destiny works out. That redesign is a bit much in spots, but it is still really cool. The quality of the Akatsuki definitely speaks well to it.
Oh so you're done? That was fast.
Yeah definitely waterslides, just third party ones.
My sanding issues must have been because I put 2-3 coats of Future on it to protect the gold finish.
The beam effect parts are so good, saving these for my other kits. They're actually just upscaled Kotobukiya effect parts but they feel good quality.
The kit itself is the Dragon Momoko Strike frame, which is basically almost a copy of the Bandai Strike RM frame. When I compare it to my Strike Rouge Ootori it's almost identical. Really good articulation and it comes with all the positives and negatives.
People kind of like the edgier MB Destiny, I wanna see how the colours are and what extras it comes with first. After seeing what Dragon Momoko did with the Akatsuki and the Sword/Launcher Strike, I have a new standard of quality to expect from them. Pretty good Bandai alternative at the very least.
Nah, not done. I've only built the Torso, head and an arm. I'm only speaking based on that quality of those.
Right now, the only complaint I have is that their posable hands are basically impossibly fragile. Other than that, I'm super pleasantly surprised. With all the fixed pose hands they have, that's a non-issue for me.
The only big thing to watch out for other than nubs is when you build the Akatsuki Shiranui pack, you might run into issues being kind of tight.
As a result, you need to be careful positioning them because you might scrape the finish at the base of the backpack adjusting the dragoons.
The dragoons themselves are fine and won't get scratched but the backpack has a chance if you're not careful. It's pretty much hidden for all intents and purposes but it can be of concern.
The Oowashi backpack has no issues whatsoever.
That and I suggest getting some paint or marker or some thing to coat the ankle joint with so that it doesn't fall out. That is an issue but it is a nonissue if you coat that. Ankles never fell again after that.
As a result, you need to be careful positioning them because you might scrape the finish at the base of the backpack adjusting the dragoons.
The dragoons themselves are fine and won't get scratched but the backpack has a chance if you're not careful. It's pretty much hidden for all intents and purposes but it can be of concern.
The Oowashi backpack has no issues whatsoever.
That and I suggest getting some paint or marker or some thing to coat the ankle joint with so that it doesn't fall out. That is an issue but it is a nonissue if you coat that. Ankles never fell again after that.
BudokaiMR2
Member
I recently started re-watching Wing and I still love it. I like almost of the characters, even the supporting cast and always thought Treize was an awesome antagonist.
Then again I also love 0083 so I am in the minority when it comes to gundam tastes here. Haha.
Mostly because of the beautiful animation but I also love that Kou is not some natural piloting genius newtype and the entire thing is basically him being pissed off at Gato because he got his ass handed to him.
No overblown idealized goals or anything. He's just kind of a selfish prick at times.
JadedWriter
Member
I honestly thought that Sandrock opening its cockpit was a built in fail safe that the professor put in to keep Quatre from pulling a Heero. But all of them having some sort of consciousness does make some sense. Every pilot seems to have a rather close attachment to their suit, minus Trowa I think, and all of them have had conversations of sorts with their own suit as well. I guess after Heero, Wufei would have the closest attachment to his. That man did not want to blow up his Gundam at all and when he did he didn't do it amongst the group unless I'm remembering Endless Waltz's ending wrong.
Minus Nina being all over the place and Kou...and Monsha most of the characters are decent. Whatever happened to Monsha I wonder? Is it safe to assume he didn't survive Zeta?
Almost finished my rewatch of 00 (dubbed version) and I have to say, despite being a complete garbage movie, Awakening of the Trailblazer retroactively makes season two a lot better. Knowing that Aeolia's ultimate goal was communication with the ELS aliens, gives context to a lot of what happens in S2. A lot of the baffling. weird crap in S2 I initially dismissed as pretentious animu nonsense had a reason behind it and makes the season much more enjoyable to watch a second time.
Gonna do a longer write up on my feelings on 00 later, but I also suspect that the dub also does a better translating things than the early subs did when I first watched it, leaving me less confused most of the time.
Gonna do a longer write up on my feelings on 00 later, but I also suspect that the dub also does a better translating things than the early subs did when I first watched it, leaving me less confused most of the time.
BudokaiMR2
Member
A female gundam character being all over the place is like the silliest complaint anyone can make IMO. Although Nina does rank pretty damn high in the crazy department.
Monsha probably didn't survive Zeta is my guess. Most of the Albion crew were forced into service for the Titans if I remember right.
JadedWriter
Member
Oh don't worry I've seen the bulk of Gundam. Having a crazy female is almost as prevalent as the Gundams themselves. You're talking to a guy that actually likes Katejina Loos from Victory Gundam and had an avatar of her, which didn't please EvilKatarn at all. I actually do like 0083 any how, just like to tease certain aspects of it. Still has some of my favorite mobile suit designs and Men of Destiny is one of my favorite OP's.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Yeah, 0083 is one of my favorites because of the designs and the OST as well.
It definitely has its flaws, but the only Gundam shows that don't are 0080 and Unicorn as far as I am concerned They both accomplish what they set out to do flawlessly in my opinion.
IBO is hopefully going to rank up there at the end of this season as well.
Winner is way better. Also its not that there aren't admirable parts of 0083, just that the unadmirable parts far outweigh it. The first few episodes are legitimately great.
JadedWriter
Member
For some odd reason I've never like Winner as much as Men of Destiny, just seems to capture that Top Gun in space feel better to me...that and I probably have a female OP bias cause I just love female Jpop. Yeah the first parts of Stardust Memory really does a good job of capturing that they're on the brink of another One Year War. It probably peaks when Gato nukes the fleet, but it's still fun up to the end minus Nina's selective amnesia.
For some odd reason I could never finish OO80, that kid always just flat out annoyed me. I love Unicorn, but I hate the ending. That damn space time travel montage just killed it for me. Still find it funny that Lalah can not escape Char and Amuro.
BudokaiMR2
Member
I forgive the ridiculousness of that part just because the actual big twist (Laplace box) was the most grounded thing it could have possibly been. I was expecting something much more fantastical and loved what they did instead.
About that part though...
is there any actual consensus on who was controlling Full Frontal? I watched that part a few times and I swear you see the blue uh...spirit thing leave his body and the conversation between them makes it sound like Amuro was the one doing it all and not Char...Would also line up with what Mineva says about FF being nothing like Char.
ThatChairMan
Member
I dunno, I really did enjoy Unicorn, but the plot and characters just dropped off in the second half. The ending especially, with the absolute worst display of Newtype magic ever, is probably one of my most hated things in UC.
JadedWriter
Member
Not to mention Riddhe for doing...things...that and being a total creeper for Mineva.
Man I never heard that explanation of
Amuro being in control of Full Frontal. I honestly just thought the man was a literal Char clone.
You mean force? Full Boost has been out for almost 2 years.
I think the script notes basically say that Full Frontal is
the part of Char that couldn't move on in death. So, he isn't a "complete" version of Char, just the most cynical, manipulative, angry part.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Yeah that would make more sense and work in line with the conversation the three newtype spirits have as far as I can remember it.
putermcgee
Junior Member
I couldn't bring myself to rewatch all of Wing, let along subject my wife to it. Instead, we watched the OVA compilations and then EW. EW is still "okay" in my book, but the feathered Wing is so lame. The series itself is one of my least favorite of the alternate universes.
We also just watched Origin I and II. I was expecting something on the level of Unicorn, and I was completely underwhelmed. The first episode especially had me almost falling asleep. Both so far are over-acted and feel like Star Wars 1-3 in that they seem to have better everything in the past, which doesn't make sense compared to what's in the original series.
We finally started Build Fighters Try, and I'm really enjoying being back in that world of gunpla battles. I've been using pilots and mobile suits from the series in the Try-Age arcade game, and it's neat to see how the are in the actual show. I didn't expect to like some of the characters, but so far it's great.
We also just watched Origin I and II. I was expecting something on the level of Unicorn, and I was completely underwhelmed. The first episode especially had me almost falling asleep. Both so far are over-acted and feel like Star Wars 1-3 in that they seem to have better everything in the past, which doesn't make sense compared to what's in the original series.
The stuff with Dozzle, Guyya & Co., and Ral doing MS experiments is pretty fun to watch, so I'm hoping that gets more screen time in the next episode
We finally started Build Fighters Try, and I'm really enjoying being back in that world of gunpla battles. I've been using pilots and mobile suits from the series in the Try-Age arcade game, and it's neat to see how the are in the actual show. I didn't expect to like some of the characters, but so far it's great.
JadedWriter
Member
So he's pretty much
CCA Char and not Zeta Char?
JadedWriter
Member
Sounds like something I can get behind. Worst part of Unicorn was Riddhe's constant butthurt simping and Marida's death which put him on Hathaway's level.
JadedWriter
Member
I don't think he's going to be loved by the bulk of the fanbase for a good long time. I don't know if I hate him more than Shinn, cause Riddhe was right from time to time unlike Shinn, but holy shit Riddhe pissed me off.
I'm really interested in Force since hearing about the squad control. I always really liked that about the DC game.
Also happy a new Gundam game is out on Vita that isn't Breaker. I had no interest in franken-suit bs.
Piece of shit.
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