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The Hobbit - Casting, Pre-production, Post-production News And Discussion
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Dabookerman
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Solo said:
Oh yes. Terrible. Perfect word to describe the second and third acts in any context. God what were people thinking. The majority of people who saw them must have been outright stoned to have loved them.
Neuromancer
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Oh OK good, that's kind of what I thought but then I couldn't find anything to back it up.Dan said:
Neuromancer
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I'm going to go with Solo on this one. I don't care what Rotten Tomatoes' top critics say, bottom line is I didn't think the 2nd two movies were anywhere near as good as the first.
Dabookerman
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Solo said:
;p
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Fellowship is one of my favorite movies. The other two are just alright.
If Jackson does wind up directing this it's probably for the best now that Guillermo is gone. Still, I'm mostly indifferent on this movie.
If Jackson does wind up directing this it's probably for the best now that Guillermo is gone. Still, I'm mostly indifferent on this movie.
Solo said:
Please. I'm not going to play any games with your tastes here, because frankly I don't care about people with bad taste.
For me...
The Godfather trilogy has two of the greatest movies ever made in it, but the third movie is completely bust. Star Wars is fucking terrible. Indiana Jones is amazing, but it's no longer a trilogy - it's a quadrilogy, and the fourth movie was atrocious. Back to the Future is a classic, and one of the better trilogies... but not quite LOTR's consistent high marks.
As a trilogy, LOTR is the best.
PhoncipleBone
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I think we can add Toy Story to the list of great trilogies now.Amir0x said:
PhoncipleBone said:
Hm, yeah you're right. Too early to know where I feel it should go on the list of great trilogies but now that I think about it... i actually might feel Toy Story might overall be a bit better.
Hm, gotta watch them all back-to-back sometime and see how I feel.
DieNgamers
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Old Star Wars trilogy disagrees with you. LOTR takes a good second place.Amir0x said:
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Tststs! Not good! ;DAmir0x said:
Foliorum Viridum
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I don't think it's the best trilogy ever, due to the Three Colours Trilogy and The Vengenace Trilogy both being better in my eyes, but all three LOTR films are about the same level of quality I think. ROTK is a bit weaker at the end because it just doesn't want to stop, but other than that I'd find it hard to order them.
Dabookerman
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Foliorum Viridum said:
Could have easily been longer ;p
Foliorum Viridum said:
^ I like both "trilogies" a lot. However, I am talking specifically about trilogies which are directly related in story, not just in theme. Even though I'd say LOTR trilogy is easily better than Vengeance Trilogy, considering one of the films is mediocre at best and the other is only merely good, not great. Old Boy is just straight up great though imo.
Fellowship of the Ring is clearly the best of the three films, but all are spectacular. The Two Towers and ROTK simply don't work on their own, and they're not supposed to - they're form fitted for all three movies being one. It's amazingly consistent trilogy. People who think The Two Towers and Return of the King represented some huge dip in quality are entitled to their opinion, despite being batshit insane. The acting, writing, directing are all the same high quality. ROTK and TTT have some editing issues, clearly. But they're all the highest possible calibre for a movie trilogy.
I'm still pretty damn upset that we'll no longer see Guillermo directing, I think it would have been a fantastic experience to see his vision carry through to what Jackson started. He really has a unique take on the fantasy genre, and we'll no longer get to see what he would have done with The Hobbit. While I think Jackson taking over is fantastic news, and assurance of a great feature film, it won't stretch far from what he accomplished with LotR.
On the topic of best trilogy, there really cannot be no arguing with the TRUE fact; LotR is the best film trilogy ever made. It's the most consistent, and I think the majority of other great film trilogies lack this in some respects.
On the topic of best trilogy, there really cannot be no arguing with the TRUE fact; LotR is the best film trilogy ever made. It's the most consistent, and I think the majority of other great film trilogies lack this in some respects.
Nazgul_Hunter
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I figure well see a lot of DelToro come through in the script and art direction; since that was pretty much done. After all they were just waiting on the studio problems to end to begin shooting.mello said:
Nazgul_Hunter said:
There is the 20mins interview up from a few days ago where Guillermo discusses the possibility of someone else uses his work once the studio finds a new director. He said it's possible and it's up to them. If it really is Jackson then most of the work Guillermo has done might possibly be in the film, but we don't really know what the terms of his contract will be.
Will be interesting where they decide to split the thing up, because there's not a good break point in the book like in the LOTR. Maybe after they get to the Lonely Mountain would work... you can blow up the stuff with the Wood Elves and have Gandalf doing some shit at the same time that's exciting.
Foliorum Viridum
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I'd probably consider Oldboy the weakest.Amir0x said:
^ I like both "trilogies" a lot. However, I am talking specifically about trilogies which are directly related in story, not just in theme. Even though I'd say LOTR trilogy is easily better than Vengeance Trilogy, considering one of the films is mediocre at best and the other is only merely good, not great. Old Boy is just straight up great though imo.
Fellowship of the Ring is clearly the best of the three films, but all are spectacular. The Two Towers and ROTK simply don't work on their own, and they're not supposed to - they're form fitted for all three movies being one. It's amazingly consistent trilogy. People who think The Two Towers and Return of the King represented some huge dip in quality are entitled to their opinion, despite being batshit insane. The acting, writing, directing are all the same high quality. ROTK and TTT have some editing issues, clearly. But they're all the highest possible calibre for a movie trilogy.
I linked to them just because they're not really mainstream films, btw. I wasn't trying to seem elitist or anything. I think Two Towers is my favourite of the trilogy just because it's when everything has gone to shit. The battle of Helms Deep is perhaps one of the best scenes in film history for me, because of the triumph I felt after they had overcome all of the odds.
Discotheque
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Wtf at the hate for The Two Towers. The introduction of Gollum alone not to mention the scene where Gandalf and the Rohirrim ride down to Helms Deep make that film soooooo boss.
I think at the time I actually liked it more than Fellowship. But now my rankings are 1>2>3.
All 3 were great though, with the only real fault of the third being it's final 20 or so minutes and those lame Ghosts.
Still stands as the best trilogy of all time for me. With the Three Colours one just behind. I would put Godfather above all of these but the Third One was just such shit (apart from the fantastic ending).
I think at the time I actually liked it more than Fellowship. But now my rankings are 1>2>3.
All 3 were great though, with the only real fault of the third being it's final 20 or so minutes and those lame Ghosts.
Still stands as the best trilogy of all time for me. With the Three Colours one just behind. I would put Godfather above all of these but the Third One was just such shit (apart from the fantastic ending).
Fellowship is the best, but let's not get crazy now.
TTT only had two big problems in my book, the first 30 minutes or so weren't paced very well and the Ents stuff really dragged. The Extended Edition fixed the pacing problem beautifully and didn't really add any new Ent scenes so it's by far the superior version of the film and a damn good movie to boot. The EE also added the scene with Boromir at Osgiliath, so major points for that.
The RotK EE is also the better version, if only for making Frodo and Sam's journey through Mordor a lot more interesting. The film has a ton of great moments, everything that happens at Pelennor Fields is awesome (from the Witch-King to the siege of Minas Tirith and the ride of the rohirrim), Minas Morgul is perfect, everything with Gollum is great (especially that final scene in Mt. Doom), the lighting of the beacons is one of the best scenes in the entire trilogy, Denethor and Faramir's story is awesome and on and on. People tend to only remember the green ghost stuff and the multiple endings, they forget the vast majority of the film is pretty great.
TTT only had two big problems in my book, the first 30 minutes or so weren't paced very well and the Ents stuff really dragged. The Extended Edition fixed the pacing problem beautifully and didn't really add any new Ent scenes so it's by far the superior version of the film and a damn good movie to boot. The EE also added the scene with Boromir at Osgiliath, so major points for that.
The RotK EE is also the better version, if only for making Frodo and Sam's journey through Mordor a lot more interesting. The film has a ton of great moments, everything that happens at Pelennor Fields is awesome (from the Witch-King to the siege of Minas Tirith and the ride of the rohirrim), Minas Morgul is perfect, everything with Gollum is great (especially that final scene in Mt. Doom), the lighting of the beacons is one of the best scenes in the entire trilogy, Denethor and Faramir's story is awesome and on and on. People tend to only remember the green ghost stuff and the multiple endings, they forget the vast majority of the film is pretty great.
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Nope. Strider's still kissing his horse, there are still elves at Helm's Deep, the Ents are still morons, and Denethor's still completely mis-characterized.Branduil said:
DieNgamers
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Omg. o_o That would have been terrible! :lolSalazar said:
thoughthorizon
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elrechazao said:
So basically you're describing avatar.
SCULLIBUNDO
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http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Pete...With-Potential-Hobbit-Cast-Members-19551.html
Seems Peter Jackson has recently taken time out of his schedule to travel around the world to cast potential hobbits for the film.
Seems Peter Jackson has recently taken time out of his schedule to travel around the world to cast potential hobbits for the film.
LegendofJoe
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It seems like the Hobbit is back in the news again. Unfortunately, it's not good news.
According to Variety the FIA (international federation of actors) is seeking to take advantage of the imminent production of the Hobbit as an opportunity to force unionization of actors/actresses in New Zealand. They're calling for all unionized actors to boycott the film in support of their 'abused' brethren in NZ.
On the bright side however, considering the timing of this move, and the recent news that PJ is making talent scouting trips for the movie, it seems like production is FINALLY about to be green-lit. I just hope Spyglass or the NZ government can broker a quick deal with the SAG and FIA to get things moving.
According to Variety the FIA (international federation of actors) is seeking to take advantage of the imminent production of the Hobbit as an opportunity to force unionization of actors/actresses in New Zealand. They're calling for all unionized actors to boycott the film in support of their 'abused' brethren in NZ.
On the bright side however, considering the timing of this move, and the recent news that PJ is making talent scouting trips for the movie, it seems like production is FINALLY about to be green-lit. I just hope Spyglass or the NZ government can broker a quick deal with the SAG and FIA to get things moving.
PhoncipleBone
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Yeah. read about that. Here is more.LegendofJoe said:
http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/sag-aftra-target-non-union-the-hobbit/#more-70133
Deadline said:
Neuromancer
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Great, just fucking great
LegendofJoe
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Branduil said:
Reminds me of a quote from Bilbo in the book, "I'm Mr. Bilbo Baggins, I've lost my dwarves, my wizard and my way." But seriously screw the FIA for further delaying this movie, it's been troubled enough already.
Long response by Peter Jackson himself
http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/pet...r-action-grab-for-power-by-aussie-bully-boys/
He makes a thinly veiled threat about moving production to Eastern Europe
They need to shitcan these movies imo. Its nothing but a clusterfuck.
http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/pet...r-action-grab-for-power-by-aussie-bully-boys/
He makes a thinly veiled threat about moving production to Eastern Europe
They need to shitcan these movies imo. Its nothing but a clusterfuck.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Ugh. This is just getting worse.
As much as I hate to say it, they should just can these movies before it becomes the Duke Nukem Forever of Hollywood.
As much as I hate to say it, they should just can these movies before it becomes the Duke Nukem Forever of Hollywood.
LegendofJoe
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PhoncipleBone said:
The Hobbit will be made somehow or another, it's guaranteed money with Jackson and crew on board. With global box office receipts, DVD/Bluray sales, and merchandising it's likely to gross over a billion dollars; there's too much money to be made for this movie to be canned.
SCULLIBUNDO
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As an Aussie I would like to echo Jackson's hatred of the Australian film industry. Bunch of fuckups running our country's film commission.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Seriously. I'm pretty sure Tolkien invented New Zealand.
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