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The Last Guardian |OT| In my memories, the monster always has kind eyes
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semiconscious
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final impressions (from another thread):
i had more fun with both ico & shadow of the colossus than with this, mainly for different technical reasons, but trico? trico is officially one of the '7 wonders of the gaming world', & needs to be experienced (in spite of the various peripheral imperfections) to truly be believed. one of the most extraordinary creations in gaming history! incredible!
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i had more fun with both ico & shadow of the colossus than with this, mainly for different technical reasons, but trico? trico is officially one of the '7 wonders of the gaming world', & needs to be experienced (in spite of the various peripheral imperfections) to truly be believed. one of the most extraordinary creations in gaming history! incredible!
...Oh shit , sorry guys It's fixed now
Damn it I always double check before posting Look like I missed it this time
Dreamseller
Neo Member
Did you guys know you can meditate by pressing l3 or r3? It also triggers the narrator Tips. Just found this out after 6 hours in...
Well, finished it. Really loved the game.
The ending was alright. I really didn't care for the
Other than that the game was good. Most of the puzzles were great, but some were frustrating, like the
and
. Ugh. Trico controlled well enough for me, but the game really should've showed you the full command list from the get-go. I had no idea I could use the face buttons until I read it on the thread. The prompt never showed for me.
Grievances aside, I loved Trico and the way you interacted with him. If it weren't for some technical issues and design oversights, would make for a near-perfect experiences.
The ending was alright. I really didn't care for the
last encounter. I was very confused what to do. And once I figured out it was the tail, and I had to drop it down,the physics system fought with me for a couple minutes before I could drop it properly, since the boy doesn't actually "pick it up" he just grabs on to it like a rope.
Other than that the game was good. Most of the puzzles were great, but some were frustrating, like the
tail through the floorboard one
roll cage one
Grievances aside, I loved Trico and the way you interacted with him. If it weren't for some technical issues and design oversights, would make for a near-perfect experiences.
I don't think it's available for digital download anywhere yet. It might be coming to iTunes, but I'm not sure.
For now you can listen to the whole thing here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPreI-uoAfk&list=PL51-dx-CgzyYVbnbOhPjkuCioYNfxKOC9
Did for me. Sometimes with only one button highlighted perhaps.
SolidusDave
Member
I guess they assumed people would bother to read the digital manual that comes with the game — which explains it in detail — but I understand that some people aren't even aware that games come with digital manuals at all.
Oh wow I never saw that.
I got most of the Trico commands from the area where the game first teaches you about it (game shows the R1 + ALL face buttons prompt), but I did not get that X means cancel. For me it was crouch/go down (because he sits down when you issue that command and it mimics the controls for the boy), should have known that's not the case once I realized that O is not grabbing but more like to encourage him to do a special action.
This totally explains most of my problem areas I think.
If the "composers choice edition" is the full thing (19 tracks), then it's on the ps store in the US for 12 bucks. You can export it to external media from there
Hippolnareff
Member
I'm really enjoying listening back to the soundtrack, especially "Epilogue", obviously. I want the vinyl but I don't know if it's worth putting up with iam8bit's BS.
I preordered that before I knew of their shit. I hope everything goes ok. They already got my money
It's not. The composer's choice is only ten songs.
I just beat it. Holy shit what a ride.
The cutscene after the credits as well. The feels.
The camera is janky, and the amount of patience you have to have for the game may be a put off for some but honestly that might of been the best game ive played all year. And honestly Ive never played anything like that.
The cutscene after the credits as well. The feels.
The camera is janky, and the amount of patience you have to have for the game may be a put off for some but honestly that might of been the best game ive played all year. And honestly Ive never played anything like that.
Dr_LucienSanchez
Banned
Played through this part last night as well. That whole 30 minute sequence was just utterly brilliant, and will probably rank as one of the more memorable games experiences I've had.
The one I downloaded from PSN has 19 tracks.
Bloodporne
Member
Any hints and/or word on them patching a toggle option for the button prompts or brushing up some of the other issues yet?
What's the general consensus regarding patches here anyway, anything potentially coming at all?
What's the general consensus regarding patches here anyway, anything potentially coming at all?
technical issues and Trico's unpredictable AI aside, what is the worst part of the game? I can hardly think of a great game that doesn't have that one annoying level or encounter.
To me the only part that I actually hate is the part where I have
To me the only part that I actually hate is the part where I have
to move that fucking cage. As if controlling the boy wasn't hard enough haha. It's like the Bed of chaos of the game for me.
Haven't finished the game, but I'm going to go with the
cage
Water sections? Those all went smoothly for me (so far). But the above was just not wanting to work with me. Was very frustrating, as even resetting wasn't fixing anything.
Hopefully that's the end of jank (and glitches, five and counting thus far) in my playthrough.
Night Hunter
Banned
Just out of curiosity, because somehow I wasn't even remotely able to keep track of my playtime, how far am I
Doesn't have to be exact, just ballpark.
when the tower collapses and Trico gets thrown off the cliff by the other guardian?
Just over half? Maybe a little more.
Don't worry nothing will be as bad haha.
Night Hunter
Banned
ok, thx
Hallelujah.
Speaking of water parts, ran into this last night. It was late, and I was tired, so while I'm not laughing as hysterically as I was then it's still funny to watch.
Hallelujah.
Speaking of water parts, ran into this last night. It was late, and I was tired, so while I'm not laughing as hysterically as I was then it's still funny to watch.
Cave Johnson
Member
Hallelujah.
Speaking of water parts, ran into this last night. It was late, and I was tired, so while I'm not laughing as hysterically as I was then it's still funny to watch.
Lol, this happened to me in the exact same area!
D
Deleted member 752119
Unconfirmed Member
Took a chance on this despite not liking Ico (to be fair I didn't give it much of a chance) or SOTC, nor being huge on puzzlers.
I'm only a couple hours or so in, but I'm liking it a lot so far. Looks amazing (playing on a 1080p set on a PS4 Pro), great art design and fun to just veg and explore the world and slowly figure out how to move forward.
The camera and controls aren't great, and I'm sure I'll get frustrated at harder/more obtuse puzzles later on, but so far I'm glad I gave it a chance. And if I sour on it, I made it one of my rare physical purchases so I can sell and lose little (if any since I bought for $48 and tax with GCU).
I'm only a couple hours or so in, but I'm liking it a lot so far. Looks amazing (playing on a 1080p set on a PS4 Pro), great art design and fun to just veg and explore the world and slowly figure out how to move forward.
The camera and controls aren't great, and I'm sure I'll get frustrated at harder/more obtuse puzzles later on, but so far I'm glad I gave it a chance. And if I sour on it, I made it one of my rare physical purchases so I can sell and lose little (if any since I bought for $48 and tax with GCU).
So I'm not just cursed to hit bugs that nobody else experiences... Just cursed to get every little one possible. ^^
Finished the game. I'm not going to lie, I had to use a Walkthrough at the very end because I couldn't figure out what to do. It's pretty obvious, but I've never claimed to be smart.
First things first, this game is pretty screwed up and I felt disgust seeing what the Barrels are.
I wish they didn't put the two big enemy encounters one after the other at the end. I don't know what the consensus is on it, but I really didn't like those sections. It was always the same song and dance; literally, the same track always played, and Trico always moved in the same ways. Definitely my lowest points in the game... Right after the cage section, but that was another case of glitches hitting me.
An opinion I'm not certain many will share, and I totally understand why you wouldn't: I almost wish the ending sequence was a pseudo quick time event after picking up the mirror the second time. You press the button to push the tail and zap the core, but leave the movement to a pre-scripted event. A playable cutscene. I'm mostly of the opinion because I felt removed from the moment when my camera started bugging out on me when I ran into the mass of Tricos. I was trying to shove the armored ones, pull their tails, jump on them, anything. Or at least that was the plan, then my camera went black and kept flickering in and out for a minute straight. So between that and my stupidity mentioned above out of the spoiler tags, I feel like the ending would have been smoother in my experience with something like a QTE. I also just think that they could have put a bit more emotion into the boy if this was the case.
On the guide thing: After I watched the credits, I looked back at the one I was following. The last words are, paraphrased: "The last button you push in the game is the command to send Trico away"
Though I got a bit misty-eyed at the ending sequence and everything after it, there weren't any actual tears. But once I read that text, I nearly broke down. I had my rabbit put under on Halloween, and it still comes back to me now that I made the choice to "send him away." I don't regret it, but I think it should be easy enough to understand the sadness it still causes me to feel when I think on it. The way they worded that, alongside what I just finished playing/watching, it hit me hard.
...It's still hitting me hard. I figured the game would end up with Trico dead, so I was braced for the worst. I guess what happened would hit hard regardless just because I didn't expect it, I didn't "prepare" for it. Was very happy to see Trico still alive at the end, but dang.. The ending was all emotional regardless. Though I felt the way the Boy just says, "That's the end of our story" into black was pretty lackluster. Would have been better to put that dialogue at the very end when you see the Boy as the Chief. Just think it would have held more weight that way.
I wish they didn't put the two big enemy encounters one after the other at the end. I don't know what the consensus is on it, but I really didn't like those sections. It was always the same song and dance; literally, the same track always played, and Trico always moved in the same ways. Definitely my lowest points in the game... Right after the cage section, but that was another case of glitches hitting me.
An opinion I'm not certain many will share, and I totally understand why you wouldn't: I almost wish the ending sequence was a pseudo quick time event after picking up the mirror the second time. You press the button to push the tail and zap the core, but leave the movement to a pre-scripted event. A playable cutscene. I'm mostly of the opinion because I felt removed from the moment when my camera started bugging out on me when I ran into the mass of Tricos. I was trying to shove the armored ones, pull their tails, jump on them, anything. Or at least that was the plan, then my camera went black and kept flickering in and out for a minute straight. So between that and my stupidity mentioned above out of the spoiler tags, I feel like the ending would have been smoother in my experience with something like a QTE. I also just think that they could have put a bit more emotion into the boy if this was the case.
On the guide thing: After I watched the credits, I looked back at the one I was following. The last words are, paraphrased: "The last button you push in the game is the command to send Trico away"
Though I got a bit misty-eyed at the ending sequence and everything after it, there weren't any actual tears. But once I read that text, I nearly broke down. I had my rabbit put under on Halloween, and it still comes back to me now that I made the choice to "send him away." I don't regret it, but I think it should be easy enough to understand the sadness it still causes me to feel when I think on it. The way they worded that, alongside what I just finished playing/watching, it hit me hard.
...It's still hitting me hard. I figured the game would end up with Trico dead, so I was braced for the worst. I guess what happened would hit hard regardless just because I didn't expect it, I didn't "prepare" for it. Was very happy to see Trico still alive at the end, but dang.. The ending was all emotional regardless. Though I felt the way the Boy just says, "That's the end of our story" into black was pretty lackluster. Would have been better to put that dialogue at the very end when you see the Boy as the Chief. Just think it would have held more weight that way.
Very good game. Had a horrible first play session with a glitch preventing progress, a number of other glitches, and I definitely think the camera was bad (ESPECIALLY WHEN TRYING TO GET OFF OF TRICO, JEEZ), but there's a lot to love here. After that first session and learning about how you actually issue commands, I never had another problem with Trico. He always listened, and it was always pretty snappy. His mannerisms were very lifelike. I'm on board with the love for his AI, he felt as real as you can get in a game.
unknownstranger
Member
Like 40% through or so. Disagree about it being halfway.
Hallelujah.
Speaking of water parts, ran into this last night. It was late, and I was tired, so while I'm not laughing as hysterically as I was then it's still funny to watch.
Lmao. Trico is part owl confirmed
I disagree about being 40%. It's more like 45%.
SirNinja
Member
There's so many little things in this game, easy to miss out on unless you try a whole bunch of stuff. For instance: at the very beginning, if you pet Trico on the head right after he shakes off all the broken armor covering his face, the boy has a chance to say this:
This was the beginning of my third playthrough. Never knew about that moment before and it just melted my heart all over again. This game...
This was the beginning of my third playthrough. Never knew about that moment before and it just melted my heart all over again. This game...
Yabberwocky
Member
God yes.
Nooooo, my heart. That's gorgeous. I love the dynamic between the two of them so much.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Just got the mirror again.
OMG, when the other Trico was attacking Trico while getting spears thrown at him from the side I've NEVER wanted to save an AI companion more quickly! D:
I loved the cutscene showing how the boy was taken. I wish the game had a few more of them to break things up a bit.
Still enjoying the game, but repetition is starting to creep in. Too many jump on Trico and point sections. It's getting a tad dull.
The game feels really long by the way. I thought it was actually going to end like 2 hours ago LOL.
There's so many little things in this game, easy to miss out on unless you try a whole bunch of stuff. For instance: at the very beginning, if you pet Trico on the head right after he shakes off all the broken armor covering his face, the boy has a chance to say this:
This was the beginning of my third playthrough. Never knew about that moment before and it just melted my heart all over again. This game...
This game is full of those miss-able moments :/
I've seen someone pulling Trico's ear while sleeping and it was the cutest thing ever.
GIANKRATOS
Member
Is there a complete list of all the things that the boy can say?
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I'm not sure I've quite played the game long enough to fully decide my feelings on it, but unless something about the game totally turns on its head, I think I'm pretty close.
I have to say that I really don't like the game. I think it's pretty bad. I find the controls incredibly annoying, there aren't even really "puzzles" per se. I mean, I guess they technically are, but it's kinda just like "Hey, we'll throw you in a room, and off you go! Figure out where to go!" and it's not necessarily like you are trying to figure out solutions to puzzles, the most difficult parts are finding out exactly where to go. I don't really consider that a puzzle per se. The Talos Principle had puzzles. I find it tedious spending most of my time in this game trying to figure out where a damn ledge is to climb up on, meanwhile the actual real puzzles, take about 2 seconds to figure out. So I'd say about 80% or more of my time spent in this game is looking for where to go, where to climb up, or where to climb down. So essentially doing nothing fun or productive.
It does have some things I like. It's colorful, cool music, it has charm, and Tirico is pretty awesome and responds well(although those climbing mechanics when you board him are ARGH!). But yeah, this game just isn't for me. So far I find myself 75% frustrated and 25% having fun, so again, unless things change, I probably won't be speaking highly of this game. Find myself yelling at the TV too often lol. "Will you fucking jump already?????" "Stop falling down!!!!!"
I do see why people really enjoy it though. Don't think this game is gonna be for me though.
I have to say that I really don't like the game. I think it's pretty bad. I find the controls incredibly annoying, there aren't even really "puzzles" per se. I mean, I guess they technically are, but it's kinda just like "Hey, we'll throw you in a room, and off you go! Figure out where to go!" and it's not necessarily like you are trying to figure out solutions to puzzles, the most difficult parts are finding out exactly where to go. I don't really consider that a puzzle per se. The Talos Principle had puzzles. I find it tedious spending most of my time in this game trying to figure out where a damn ledge is to climb up on, meanwhile the actual real puzzles, take about 2 seconds to figure out. So I'd say about 80% or more of my time spent in this game is looking for where to go, where to climb up, or where to climb down. So essentially doing nothing fun or productive.
It does have some things I like. It's colorful, cool music, it has charm, and Tirico is pretty awesome and responds well(although those climbing mechanics when you board him are ARGH!). But yeah, this game just isn't for me. So far I find myself 75% frustrated and 25% having fun, so again, unless things change, I probably won't be speaking highly of this game. Find myself yelling at the TV too often lol. "Will you fucking jump already?????" "Stop falling down!!!!!"
I do see why people really enjoy it though. Don't think this game is gonna be for me though.
katsubento
Member
I'm certain this is my game of the year.
And call Trico
Cave Johnson
Member
That's fine and you've pointed some aspects of the game that I agree. There is only one puzzle in this game and that is how you handle Trico. Like a mini-collosus but instead of killing it, you are trying to bond. I really love the element of giving the player to be observing and not be too trigger happy with buttons mashing like most games.
Granted, you need a specific mindset when playing this game. It's definitely not for everyone.
Yabberwocky
Member
If it helps with figuring out where to go, Trico will constantly look in the direction you need to go for puzzles, or will sometimes physically move to the spot himself. He'll also complain if you're going in the wrong direction. (Trico is a very useful and furry GPS!) Blue butterflies will also hang around areas for the start of a puzzle/next step in the puzzle. But yes, you are right, it's fairly straightforward as far as puzzle games go, and Trico will also help you a lot of the way. There are some puzzles later that are a bit more complicated than just finding out where to go next, but I do agree that your assessment is a fair enough comment to make regardless.
GIANKRATOS
Member
After the first cage where you have to survive Trico's attack, you have to climb down from its tail and there's a barrel behind a grate that you can't get
Edit: backtracked a bit and found a way in
Edit 2: and now he doesn't want to eat it, lol. Maybe it was supposed to be found before the cutscene?
Yep, he doesn't even look at it.
awww :3There's so many little things in this game, easy to miss out on unless you try a whole bunch of stuff. For instance: at the very beginning, if you pet Trico on the head right after he shakes off all the broken armor covering his face, the boy has a chance to say this:
This was the beginning of my third playthrough. Never knew about that moment before and it just melted my heart all over again. This game...
EDIT:
gotta ask, where do you find this?I guess they assumed people would bother to read the digital manual that comes with the game — which explains it in detail — but I understand that some people aren't even aware that games come with digital manuals at all.
dealer-
Member
Yes. Just react really quickly and it will only take a second.
HueyFreeman
Banned
I think, for a generation of players weaned on an increasing priority on 60fps controls and emphasis on "playability," Ueda's emphasis on animation feels odd. The boy's animation is actually more exaggerated than the other Team ICO games - he animates more like a classical disney character than a Team ICO character. For instance, going down stairs, running, stumbling - all of them are very exaggerated in style of classical hand-drawn animation. It's tremendous - I absolutely love what it communicates about the boy to the player, and it makes him an emotional, relate-able creature even when he's just doing simple things. But it does come at the cost of direct, 1:1 controls.
Increasingly, it's looking like there are some players that are not able to appreciate the reason for those sacrifices, and I think the game probably just won't be enjoyable for them. We always knew this would be the place with this game, and we're just seeing it play out. I hope that there's a subset of them though who's eyes can be opened to there being a greater breadth of intention in game creation than just directly catering to the players fingers.