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TLOU 2 is about to be amazing
The Last of Us Part II first hands-on previews, screenshots, and gameplay
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siekro1983
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TLOU 2 is about to be amazing
I hope they actually deliver the only game that i thought was great was last of us, and replaying it, the gameplay is really average.
alabtrosMyster
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This is always forced in some way, if that wa about "embracing diversity" characters would not need to change all the time. This is everywhere and the intent is mostly based in jealousy and a desire for some kind of payback, in the name of groups that are or are percieved as "victimized" (funnily enough from people who are pretty well off most of the time).
The problem is that it becomes forced when people know that those in power want this, they want their diversity points, they will have their scripts/art/etc. checked by a "diversity and inclusion consultant", so the easy thing is to remove all the "non diversity and inclusion characters", which happens to be only the hetero white dudes... as I said many times, there would't be so much backlash if a random homeless white dude was not considered as an oppressor to the amir of Quatar Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, and if the ideology did not have obvious contradictions (as an example, it literally leads to communities being segregated on university campusses because every groups are somehow expected to only want to be with their kins, because nobody else could possibly understand their most basic human traits if they are different).
So on and so forth, this is what puts people off, and sometimes will push them far right as a reaction (if you're white you are not welcome at all, especially guys, if you are mixed race and don't follow the doctrine you are too white, if you are a feminist and believe men and women are not the same thing... well you get the boot too, etc.). Any ideology based on the intersectionnal tables cannot be inclusive, it leads to people acting really bad thowards whoever does not follow the current trend in that group, etc.
When you have that many categories you should just resort to trying to know people for who they are, this is closer to mystic ideas like the astrological signs than actual science.
Hobbygaming
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The gameplay is excellent IMO
Danjin44
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Like I said, do what you have to, if the content of the game disturbers you that much then talk with your money and don't buy it, me other hand it really doesn't bother so I will buy it day one because I like the pervious game.
You guys making this more complicated and tiring than it looks.
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siekro1983
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I'm still waiting to see if joel is playable, for a good deal of the game or a second playthrough or ill pick it up when its 19.99 or something.
DForce
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This game would be political if the entire narrative was based on how lesbians are being mistreated or equality and there's nothing that even suggest that's going to be the case.
I said before that if X-Men was created today, people would complain about it being too political and try to force a narrative since many of the storylines were created based on the civil rights movement.
You see things on both sides.
One side you see people complaining that a film or movie is not diverse enough and then you have the other side complaining that a film is trying to be too "woke". There's a big difference between what the Batwoman show is doing compared to The Last of Us Part II.
Justin9mm
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It's much better than the original, better textures and 60fps at least on the Pro. Finished originally on PS3 and had an even funner time on the Remastered version.
siekro1983
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Did you watch the video i posted?
Anyway to me so far the game looks like love letter to LGBT. first trailer woman that is built like a muscular man, with manly features kick ass with the help of a very feminine looking asian guy not sure if he was a guy or girl. trailer suggests she will be playable. second trailer lesbians kissing and sharing there feelings with awesome gameplay. mean while joel the main protag in last of us will probably not be playable because he's viewed as a toxic male from naughty dog. there other game suggests that the new uncharted will be a female lead. lets not forget the black lady in uncharted 4 how she kicks your ass and makes you like a total loser through out the whole game. basically the most power character by far in the uncharted series
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DForce
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I watched the video months ago.
What the video also left out is that Neil first designed female characters to be sexualized and that changed after having a daughter. He wanted to have a role model for his daughter and that's his influence for designing female characters.
That's like saying every woman who lifts has manly features. If you read Ellie's mom's letter in the Last of Us, then you would know that her mother has a tough\arrogant personality and that's likely what went into her design. This is why Ellie has some of the same features.
There's actually people who like to make female characters and it's like people start complaining whenever they don't have any ultra feminine qualities. I don't see no one complaining about Dead or Alive and it's for obvious reasons.
Wrong.
From what I see, people who complain about the lack of diversity of films are no different than those complaining about a game being too woke whenever there's a character like Nadine in the series.
Danjin44
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The issues is there is no longer middle ground anymore, both side are actively looking for to get offended for every little stupid thing.
Hobbygaming
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Oh c'mon the Asian kid Lev is clearly a boy and Joel is not portrayed as a toxic male. There's also the Asian girl that doesn't appear to have a lot of muscle definition and neither doesn't Dina
siekro1983
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I watched the video months ago.
What the video also left out is that Neil first designed female characters to be sexualized and that changed after having a daughter. He wanted to have a role model for his daughter and that's his influence for designing female characters.
That's like saying every woman who lifts has manly features. If you read Ellie's mom's letter in the Last of Us, then you would know that her mother has a tough\arrogant personality and that's likely what went into her design. This is why Ellie has some of the same features.
There's actually people who like to make female characters and it's like people start complaining whenever they don't have any ultra feminine qualities. I don't see no one complaining about Dead or Alive and it's for obvious reasons.
Wrong.
From what I see, people who complain about the lack of diversity of films are no different than those complaining about a game being too woke whenever there's a character like Nadine in the series.
Dude you actually get to beat that guy in uncharted 2. in uncharted 4 you can't put up a fight, you get demolished even when drake and sully or his brother by the end the game you still get beat up. trying to show how females are just superior fighters
as for the the girl in the video less then 1% of females have that kind of body, they have to be taking steroids or transgender
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siekro1983
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watch the trailer that clearly sounds like a woman voice, maybe a transgender character.
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siekro1983
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clearly a girl's voice, you can't be serious, and features are very feminine was.He sounds like a young boy to me
siekro1983
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He sounds like a young boy to me
Trans actor Ian Alexander is playing character Lev in The Last of Us Part II. so this character will be trans most likely since thsi is naughty dog's goal.
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DForce
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Colleen Fotsch (left) is the body model that was used for the woman in the trailer.
There's many female body builders and I'm not sure why you think they need to be men or all juiced up on steroids to be in this shape.
Celeste Bonin
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Yeah, and no one said crap when Hit-Girl (probably not even a teen in this movie) was beating up and killing grown men. I'm also sure this would be considered "woke" and pushing politics if the movie was released today.
The "tough girl" that beats up men isn't anything new. It's also more believable that Nadine would beat up Drake since she's a trained mercenary. These type of characters have been in movies for years and now people want to say it's a new political movement. Yes, there's time where it seems really cheesy, but complaining about Nadine is just ridiculous.
Represent.
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holy fucking shit, i dont need to be anymore hyped for this game than I already am.TLOU 2 is about to be amazing
Masterpiece in the making.
siekro1983
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Colleen Fotsch (left) is the body model that was used for the woman in the trailer.
There's many female body builders and I'm not sure why you think they need to be men or all juiced up on steroids to be in this shape.
Celeste Bonin
Natasha Aughey
Yeah, and no one said crap when Hit-Girl (probably not even a teen in this movie) was beating up and killing grown men. I'm also sure this would be considered "woke" and pushing politics if the movie was released today.
The "tough girl" that beats up men isn't anything new. It's also more believable that Nadine would beat up Drake since she's a trained mercenary. These type of characters have been in movies for years and now people want to say it's a new political movement. Yes, there's time where it seems really cheesy, but complaining about Nadine is just ridiculous.
Dude you gotta be fucking kidding those girls are on steroids so hard there tits are becoming manly chests and the jawline is changing to a manly one which is common for steroid use, that's not natural, womans tits just don't become manly chests .
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DForce
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siekro1983
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So Serena must be on steroids, right?
those looks like regular woman tits. the other woman literately have a huge manly chest. its extremely rare for woman to a have that kinda build most body builders use steroids its a well known fact.
PanzerAzel
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Nope. Nope. Nope nope nope nope nope.
On a media blackout for this one, the last footage I saw was at last E3. Want to go into this one relatively fresh.
On a media blackout for this one, the last footage I saw was at last E3. Want to go into this one relatively fresh.
DForce
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siekro1983
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Serena has implants. You're going nowhere with this one.
it's no secret though 99% of body builders use steroids.
Do all body builders use steroids?
Answer (1 of 25): The reason why people use steroids is because they have tried so many bodybuilding programs and products that did not work for them. There are so many products on body building on the internet and most of them are not good because they don't produce any good result after using t...
DForce
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it's no secret though 99% of body builders use steroids.
Do all body builders use steroids?
Answer (1 of 25): The reason why people use steroids is because they have tried so many bodybuilding programs and products that did not work for them. There are so many products on body building on the internet and most of them are not good because they don't produce any good result after using t...www.quora.com
You're getting desperate at this point by pulling up a user quote from Quora.
I posted a tweet showing how Serena Williams is actively being tested and passed.
The user also says, "steroids as do a large amount of professional athletes of any sport."
He doesn't realize athletes are tested frequently and many of them are caught. Based on his logic, every single athlete would have been suspended.
siekro1983
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IFBB Pro bodybuilders don't get tested. they are allowed to take steroids. as for serena willams i did say it was extremely rare, she looks like a straight man. usually in woman high testosterone which is rare.
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DeepEnigma
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Must be the "woke" in her.
DForce
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I posted a few females who get tested frequently and they would have been suspended if tested positive. There's a lot of women who can achieve a similar form if they dedicate their life to body building. There's women who take steroids since they're unable build similar bodies.
But I'm not going to continue this goalpost moving debate anymore. lol
DeepEnigma
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Debating steroids over a fucking video game. Now that's really stretching the goal posts ultra thin.
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siekro1983
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I'm sure ellie mom is a dedicated body builder lifter in the end of the world, where people can't even eat. back to the point 99% of females can't achieve that build it's extremely rare and like you said she would have to be a dedicated to it . it's another one of naught dog agenda. it's even rumored that's joel, and he found himself.
Danjin44
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For fuck sake, I'm so fucking tired hearing about "agenda" this "agenda" that BS, why can't devs make story they want to make? what so fucking wrong about it? I dont ever want see any devs back up from story they want to make because of scream of bunch of random people on internet.
I support devs freedom to make what they want to make, I don't give less fuck how many people get offended by it! These day people get offended by almost everything these days.
The_Observer
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I'll try but it won't be as good as if you watched them. So in the E3 demo for example Ellie attacks a guy then a second one comes from behind and grabs her and this happens so seamlessly, like the animations are perfect, comparable to a CG movie it's unlike any game we've seen yet, no jerky animations etc. Or the last scene in the shop, basically all that gameplay is full of moments like this which are just not present in the new gameplay at all. This was the reason I was so excited, the graphics are top notch of course but they said this was their new animation system and it looked to good to be true but I wanted to believe this is how the game will play, especially that we are talking about Naughty Dog here. Yes, we can't say for certain that it won't be like that in the final game, but then why aren't these present in these gameplays?
siekro1983
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Yea it's pretty obvious it was downgraded its like a night and day difference.
OmegaSpear
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Is the SJW/woke debate thing an American thing? It's annoying as fk, the game looks amazing and that's all I care about.
The_Observer
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I wish it was. Far left insanity infects more and more countires...
Dacon
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Hurr durr all body builders and athletes use steroids!
Saying stupid shit like that goes to show just how little the people that say this know, because they've never participated in any of these activities.
Look at the women in the Olympics and how shredded they are, and they get tested regularly to be qualified to compete. I don't have a dog in this idiotic fight, but seeing people parrot this ignorant shit always annoys me.
Saying stupid shit like that goes to show just how little the people that say this know, because they've never participated in any of these activities.
Look at the women in the Olympics and how shredded they are, and they get tested regularly to be qualified to compete. I don't have a dog in this idiotic fight, but seeing people parrot this ignorant shit always annoys me.
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GymWolf
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Do people forget that these women are basically warrior in this post apocalyptic world? The have to learn how to fight and that alone can develop some muscolar physique.
They are not normal women in the kitchen preparing foods and looking for childrens...
Do you expect fighters to having skinny physique without muscles? Have you ever watched a female boxing or mma match?
These are tested female athlete on ufc, and they fight for real like 2-3 times a year...and their weight is only 125 lb...
They are not normal women in the kitchen preparing foods and looking for childrens...
Do you expect fighters to having skinny physique without muscles? Have you ever watched a female boxing or mma match?
These are tested female athlete on ufc, and they fight for real like 2-3 times a year...and their weight is only 125 lb...
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HaveButOneLife
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And the same old tired excuse of telling people "just don't buy the game!" won't help anything.
siekro1983
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Do people forget that these women are basically warrior in this post apocalyptic world? The have to learn how to fight and that alone can develop some muscolar physique.
They are not normal women in the kitchen preparing foods and looking for childrens...
Do you expect fighters to having skinny physique without muscles? Have you ever watched a female boxing or mma match?
These are tested female athlete on ufc, and they fight for real like 2-3 times a year...and their weight is only 125 lb...
they girls usually cut weight to hit 125, these girls train 6 hours a day to achieve that body, those girls look more like ellie which is acceptable this is the model they are using for the buff woman in the trailer. any idiot who looks at this pics and says steroids is not involved should be slapped.
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Danjin44
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It's not like devs are doing anything wrong. They are just making the game they want to make, you either you are going to like it or not.
siekro1983
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would you be upset if they made zelda 2 more like dark souls? we bought the first game, so fans have a right to complain if they want. that video with naughty dog agenda got 29k likes and his channel is pretty small, so obviously fans are upset at the direction naughty dog is going.
GymWolf
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Maybe it's just a little exagerate to gives the impression that she is a beast jist from the first glance?they girls usually cut weight to hit 125, these girls train 6 hours a day to achieve that body, those girls look more like ellie which is acceptable this is the model they are using for the buff woman in the trailer. any idiot who looks at this pics and says steroids is not involved should be slapped.
Like you see the first scene with this chick and you already know that she is a warrior.
Onestly, muscolar women in a game where you melee combat with adults mens is the last problem for me...
Tlou has a brutal melee system, protagonist needs some muscles, it will be less realistic seeing skinny girls bashinf adults mens heads with a bat...
siekro1983
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valentine could probably beat 80-90 of the men in the world. it's exaggerated for a reason.
siekro1983
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Looks like a we a confirmation the Asian boy is trans, honestly after watching the video i hope the game fails. iconic characters being cut to fit a agenda,
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Oddvintagechap
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sometimes complaining is valid, but most of it is just bitching. But in the end its just about money, companies are racing to untapped markets.
when you walk out into the real world and you see a asian trans person.... do you hope your life fails? Is god pushing an agenda too? People with these lifestyles exist. They walk, they eat, just like you do. They play games and some even make all the stupid games we play, It's a game.
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GymWolf
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Valentina is a martial artist, she use skill to fick man up, the girls from tlou probably use melee weapon and brute strenght to fuck people up, they need that extra muscles and weight.valentine could probably beat 80-90 of the men in the world. it's exaggerated for a reason.
In a strenght confrontation, valentina would lose against a bigger man, you can't always use martial arts in real world when mens have melee weapon and they want to kill you...have you watched tlou2 gameplay? Sometimes ellie needs to push away bigger mans, you can't do that without muscles...
Not defending woke shit or the game, i don't really give a fuck aboit naughty dog stories and chara, they are ambulant cliches...never played nd games for the story...
I just want a realistic brutal tps, if having a muscolar women protagonist is the only way to make brutal melee combat credible, i'm okay with that.
When they announced ellie as a protagonist i was scared that the old joel brutal melee system was gone to favor something more agile and sleek insted of something more strenght based, thank god we have a muscolar protagonist that can do what joel was doing in the first game...
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