SliChillax
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Have they updated Deception?
Then in the meantime don't spoil anything to yourself by watching YouTube playthrough
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Have they updated Deception?
Then in the meantime don't spoil anything to yourself by watching YouTube playthrough
Did you ever honestly believe they would? They just said that to quell the fury.Have they updated Deception?
Then in the meantime don't spoil anything to yourself by watching YouTube playthrough
The Artisan
Member
fair enough. you got my word.Have they updated Deception?
Then in the meantime don't spoil anything to yourself by watching YouTube playthrough
prag16
Banned
I enjoyed even that book. Even if it was full (and I mean FULL) of issues. Karpyshyn trilogy way better of course.
EDIT: God damn. I forgot all about that rage comic adaptation. Classic as all hell.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
The HH needs beefing up in terms of hitpoints, maybe an extra 50% or even 100%. They should have re-added the shield meter or what have you so it didn't just seem like you were using armor that magically healed itself.
In terms of offensive capabilities, imo they should have had small missile pods/launchers (that you acquire target locks with) plus a main turret that had a machine-gun. The main gun being a weird missile launcher was kind of shitty and unsatisfying.
But I love the idea of the HH, it's the perfect Mass Effect vehicle. It fits right in with the hovercars, shuttles, flying drones etc that everything uses in the universe. And you felt really fast and agile while you used it.
The Mako coming back makes me want to vomit. The HH was the perfect thing to be improved and brought back.
shinobi602
Member
The prototype footage already looks a hundred times better than ME1's to me lol.
Gotta love people's ridiculous hyperbole sometimes. How many times did I see the words "Mass Effect" and "vomit" in the same sentence? Think I lost count.
Anyway, everyone know the new Mako won't be like the old one, it's like "duh". Even the look is different.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Of course the new Mako isn't identical to the old one. But it looks like they're taking it out of combat entirely. I'm sad they chose the vastly inferior vehicle to bring in to the new game. High speed hovertank >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dune buggy.
SliChillax
Member
You're serious? That's such a dick move.
Yes. I honestly never thought they would update it, and it appears that I was right to be skeptical.
Like there isn't going to be a hidden gun attachment/upgrade.
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TrueMenace
Unconfirmed Member
Bring back Garrus Vakarian somehow. Insta 10/10 for me.
shinobi602
Member
There may be something else even better in the game
DOWN
Banned
Let old characters go. Fan service is what turned N7 into a brand in-universe with hoodies instead of a military class. We need the bold vision of the first game brought into the upper echelon of space operas.
Garrus/Shepard was my favorite friendship, but the internet's fixation on it has played out when it was relevant and I am desperate for them to shed the burdens of molding a quasi-RPG into a shooter and back again. Start fresh, reach for the stars and all that. Not everything the fans say is as sophisticated as the game vision, and that's okay. They don't need an old character to be even a minor role for the franchise to shine again.
Those past characters and fan services are not the center of the universe, the vision is.
Garrus/Shepard was my favorite friendship, but the internet's fixation on it has played out when it was relevant and I am desperate for them to shed the burdens of molding a quasi-RPG into a shooter and back again. Start fresh, reach for the stars and all that. Not everything the fans say is as sophisticated as the game vision, and that's okay. They don't need an old character to be even a minor role for the franchise to shine again.
Those past characters and fan services are not the center of the universe, the vision is.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
There may be something else even better in the game
If they put a Halla I'm out for good.
I'd like to offer my somewhat-close-to-the-storm account of how that all went down, if you'll all pardon the lengthy first message in this topic. Please feel free to skip over this if you aren't interested, but I may be able to shed a bit of light on the situation as I recall it going down within the community. I worked on raising awareness of the novel and whatnot.
(Hi everyone, I'm new to NeoGAF and such. Looking forward to chatting with y'all over the coming months, presuming I don't do anything clumsy and lose my spot here or something. And shinobi, as a long-time poster in the twitter thread on BioWare's forums, thanks for all you've brought to us.)
Ahem, right, sorry. Just felt obligatory.
So yeah. Deception. When it arrived, we were all floored at how many discrepancies were in there. Like, I'm no "canonista" by any stretch. If things need to get changed here and there in a franchise I adore for the betterment and enrichment of a scenario, so long as it doesn't just utterly pull the rug over everyone's heads, I say hell, go for it. But Deception, in addition to being badly written and in some cases maybe even a little bit offensive (altering a character who was officially autistic in Karpyshyn's works so that she was instead "just going through a teenage phase" as per the new author) was also averaging over two blatant lore discrepancies per page. It was really, really weird. Basically within 30-40 pages everyone on BioWare's forums who had begun reading the novel was realizing that it was almost easier to believe William C. Dietz was doing this intentionally.
So we got together and started that infamous Google document chronicling the bizarre endless string of mistakes. I compiled the main thread on their site and pressed the mods I knew (as did other posters; not that this is the sort of thing I'd think people would want to try to take full credit for on the internet anyway, I should hope, but I do want to be clear that it was very much a joint effort) about maybe piecing together how this could have even been released in the first place. It was compounded by the increasing frustration some fans felt after Casey Hudson tweeted, a few days prior to its street date, that he had just finished reading Deception and that it was great and Kai Leng was a badass. Which... well, I'm sure most of y'all are well and truly familiar with how that went.
Eventually, after a few news sites picked up on the Google document, BioWare stepped in and said there'd be a rewrite. It wasn't given an ETA of any sort. I love some of the people in that company dearly, but I could kind of smell the fake in the wind on that one. I remember confiding to a couple of fellow fans that I'd honestly be surprised if it happened, because the way in which they made the claim was just so open-ended. It was this sort of, "we're looking into it, and will begin the process." But in such vague terms. Mass Effect 3 was around the corner and they needed desperately to avoid even supplemental negativity like this.
Ultimately what I think happened was that their marketing wing analyzed the impact, noted current sales of the book, estimated just how niche an audience this would involve satisfying, hedged their bets that ME3 would leave a far stronger instant impression (I can't get enough of the game, personally, but needless to say, "lawl") and moved on. Quietly. Assertively.
And the truth of the matter is, the discussion only gets raised so often, even on BioWare's forums. Every now and then, a new thread pops up. "What ever happened to Deception's rewrite?" It gets around ten posts, half of which are angst over how that "plan" evaporated. And then it exits stage left.
shinobi602
Member
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
All new squad mates, no returning characters please.
We'll probably get a new Turian. And that's ok.
We'll probably get a new Turian. And that's ok.
SliChillax
Member
I welcome fresh new characters, a cameo from an old crew member wouldn't hurt though
Garrus got too sycophantic anyways. The question is do you actually think they will not bring anyone back?
I wonder if with all new models we will lose female Turians due to resource allocation.
Both Salarian squad members in the old trilogy are among the best characters in the series, so a new one would be a fine thing.
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Wait what
I wasn't being entirely serious of course, I just hope we get another cool Turian bro.
rocksteady1983
Member
Are any of the Mass Effect books worth a read?
The captain?
ThoseDeafMutes
Member
Mordin is the only squad mate we got though. Hence confusion.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
In all honesty, I would buy none, or the bare minimum currently (hear me out):
1st playtrough: Vanilla Trilogy - No DLC - just enjoy the original stories.
If you want the bare bones essential ones, go for: Lair, Leviathan+EC and From Ashes
2nd playthrough (this is part wishful thinking): Remastered version current gen with ALL DLC, trust me... this will be glorious for you good sir/madame.
In the event of a Remaster not happening (I'd wait till at least E3 to see, BioWare pls): buy all the DLC for your 2nd glorious playthrough, it will feel like a new game, and you will love yourself for playing it a second time (or fourth/fifth/tenth...etc).
The aforementioned fourth/fifth/tenth time are greatly enhanced with ALL of the weapon/armor DLCs too, and IMO: worth it for the best dang' video game trilogy of all time.
I don't read that many novels, and I found them all (except Deception) to be amazing.
Hyperzephyrian
Banned
Game tie-in books. Not even once.
I mispoke. Padok Wiks technically isnt a party member even though you team up with him.
Hyperzephyrian
Banned
I had no idea who that was, I had to Google him. You let Mordin die in ME2?
I had a save where he did (he is actually the most likely to die) that I made so I could encounter Wiks because people were saying he was secretly amazing. Its a shame he was mostly gated behind the death of the best character in the series but I respect making the replacement a quality character instead of some throw away.
Tekomandor
Member
Clearly somebody hasn't read the Crysis 2 one, which was better than the actual game it was attached to. Of course, Peter Watts is a "real" sci-fi author who was kinda slumming it doing a crysis novelization, but whatever.
Hyperzephyrian
Banned
Well, I never played any of the Crysis games.
I once made the colossal mistake of reading a Splinter Cell tie-in novel. It's the only book I ever destroyed.
I've read them all.
Unless you are really desperate for more Mass Effect then not really. There's little actual background for the games and the story thread in the novels conclude in a manner that makes the Mass Effect 3 ending look like a work of genius.
Deception is unintentionally funny throughout.
If you hate yourself, sure.
SliChillax
Member
The Mass Effect comics were good though.
Damn. Did it kill your cat?
Hyperzephyrian
Banned
The Artisan
Member
I know bioware did most of the animations themselves in ME but was there any mocap at all throughout the trilogy in any capacity?
So, how far along in the development process does mocap happen?
SliChillax
Member
Certainly didn't look like there was any mocap.
N7Commander95
Member
There was bit in 3 I think.
Some romance scenes, definitely a lot of Citadel and Omega.
And watching the Control Ending, its very clear Shep had been mocapped for that choice
His face when thinking about Krogan's mating was the best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXwXFQwd1Ao
So, this popped up on a russian site :O
http://www.altex.ro/mass-effect-trilogy-ps4
http://imgur.com/wO3pjgm
http://www.altex.ro/mass-effect-trilogy-ps4
http://imgur.com/wO3pjgm
dead monkey uk
Member
I have no idea if this is real, but we all know the remaster is coming.
such releases really have no interest for me if I have already played the game, but I think ME might be different. I hope they include the ME3 mulitplayer, it was surprisingly great.
Blue Ninja
Member
Looks like they mocked up the cover themselves. I do not yet believe.
shinobi602
Member
Only a few of the animations were mocapped. Cutscenes for the most part were as well.
It looks like the cover from the PC trilogy version:
https://www.origin.com/sv-se/store/buy/mass-effect-1-2-3/pc-download/bundle/standard-edition
But yeah take it with some salt..
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